NFL draft day 3 game thread (NO SPOILERS!!!!)

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dcmissle said:
You are the one who posted that the player may be able to get off the obligation "if you can benefit them through PR or something."

Seems to be the guidelines are pretty clear.
 
And the second half of that statement is that its pretty hard to do but I wasnt sure the exact requirements.
 
Again I have no issues with your 2 year comment ... its the comment about how the DoD is going to be influenced by some paranoia about the Patriots and the fact that BB's dad once coached in Annapolis that I have issues with.
 

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@MikeReiss More on Arkansas TE AJ Derby (Patriots, 7th round, 202): H-back type who lined up in multiple spots. 1 year experience at position. #NEpick
 

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dcmissle said:
Name me the last service academy athlete who got off the hook for his service obligation and did not have a health problem.

You have a high profile team that people are envious of, believe cuts corners, and are out to get. The chief alleged corner cutter's dad coached at the Academy. If the appropriate congressional committee chairman asks someone at the Pentagon (responsible for this decision) what time he or she last took a shit, that decision maker has to answer.

You think he'll be in anything other than a navy or marine corps uniform this Sept, God love you.
If you think the military gives even the smallest of fucks about who the Patriots coach is, or who his father is when considering this decision - you're a moron. That's the only point I was making.

He probably won't be a Patriot any time soon, but it has nothing to do with Steve Belichick. Never mind Bill Belichick.
 

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TheShynessClinic said:
If you think the military gives even the smallest of fucks about who the Patriots coach is, or who his father is when considering this decision - you're a moron. That's the only point I was making.

He probably won't be a Patriot any time soon, but it has nothing to do with Steve Belichick. Never mind Bill Belichick.
 
Okay -- I think the point has been made clear on this. Let's get back to talking about (semi) meaningless late-round camp fodders and special team wannabes.
 

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TheShynessClinic said:
If you think the military gives even the smallest of fucks about who the Patriots coach is, or who his father is when considering this decision - you're a moron. That's the only point I was making.
He probably won't be a Patriot any time soon, but it has nothing to do with Steve Belichick. Never mind Bill Belichick.
Max Lane in 1994 played immediately out of Navy for the Patriots.
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
 
Okay -- I think the point has been made clear on this. Let's get back to talking about (semi) meaningless late-round camp fodders and special team wannabes.
 

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Derby is officially my binky of this draft class:
 
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Derby looks like a really intriguing guy. Background at LB, TE and QB. Wonder how they'll use him.
 

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A.J. Derby's 2.71 yards per route run were fourth among draft-eligible TEs, according to @PFF. Had just one drop on 32 targets.

 
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A.J. Derby caught three of three catchable deep passes (20+ yards) for 84 yards with 2 TDs, according to @PFF.
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
 
Derby is officially my binky of this draft class:
 
@cpriceNFL
Derby looks like a really intriguing guy. Background at LB, TE and QB. Wonder how they'll use him.
 

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A.J. Derby's 2.71 yards per route run were fourth among draft-eligible TEs, according to @PFF. Had just one drop on 32 targets.

 
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A.J. Derby caught three of three catchable deep passes (20+ yards) for 84 yards with 2 TDs, according to @PFF.
 
Mine too. Seriously, when I watched him in that Georgia game, I was thinking draft this guy, Pats.
 
Love the fact that he's new to the position. Seems like a strong candidate for the PS. 
 

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An observation about the draft this year: Having it outdoors just makes too much sense. Radio City is great to see the Rockettes in December. It's downright dreary in May. I hope they never go back there. 
 

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@AdamSchefter: Rams RB Zac Stacy traded to Hets for pick 224, per source.
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
 
Derby is officially my binky of this draft class:
 
@cpriceNFL
Derby looks like a really intriguing guy. Background at LB, TE and QB. Wonder how they'll use him.
 

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A.J. Derby's 2.71 yards per route run were fourth among draft-eligible TEs, according to @PFF. Had just one drop on 32 targets.

 
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A.J. Derby caught three of three catchable deep passes (20+ yards) for 84 yards with 2 TDs, according to @PFF.
 
 
Not that it wasn't obvious before, but this draft seems to show even more than others how much Belichick loves people with football intelligence and/or multiple-position backgrounds (which I suppose could be an indicator of football intelligence).
 

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Darryl Roberts - Really good in coverage, needs work in tackling/run support
 

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Justin Coleman of Tenn had a 6.61 3-cone. Tyrell Williams of Western Oregon had a 6.55 3-cone. Both are available.
 

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ESPN says Patriots tried to trade for Zac Stacy, so I wasn't off base while being made fun of on here yesterday for suggesting it.
 

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Seattle appears to be planning on taking their last pick of the 6th round (Sokoli) and moving him to the OL like they did with starting RG JR Sweezy.
 

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Missed Most of the draft just got home. 
Is Bill Trolling everyone hard with these picks? 
A legally blind in one eye player, a guy who Failed multiple team physicals,A former QB turned TE and a Long Snapper who can not play a down for at least 2 years?  
 
Did I miss anything?
 

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ZMart100 said:
Darryl Roberts - Really good in coverage, needs work in tackling/run support
I like him. He's fast - ran a sub-4.4 at his Pro Day, and his catchup speed shows up on tape. 5'11" 190 or so, so he's not small. All-Conference USA, so he was productive. Sometimes got beaten on slants and stuff, but I didn't see him get beat badly. Marshall pressed and played zone, so he can play a variety of coverages. He's a finesse guy who struggled in tackling and run support, but he did play special teams (he was the safety on the kickoff team). There's a lot to like here - the PFF guys loved him.
 

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It takes an actual pass rush to replace Revis. I like this, all we do in game threads is complain about lack of a pass rush. Well, here ya go.
 
i just got a chance to catch up on this thread, and this post reminded me of something I wrote back in March when the Pats picked up Sheard.  It's below.   Seems pretty clear to me what the Pats are doing this season.  There just aren't any CB's out there in FA or this draft, so you have to focus on the D Line to mask the deficiencies in the secondary:
 
I think we're already starting to see signs of the Patriots defensive strategy going into next season, at least in how they hope to handle opponents passing game.
 
At it's most basic level, pass defense is predicated on two things.  Secondary play, and/or pass rushing.  In today's NFL, it's very difficult to put together a defense with amazing players in both areas.  Last year, when the Pats got Revis and Browner, they put their chips into the secondary basket. Go back and read the game threads, and you'll see a whole lot of whining from folks about a lack of a pass rush, pretty much every week.  Well, one of the reasons they lacked a pass rush was because they were only rushing 3-4 defensive lineman in most instances, and a lot of those guys weren't great pass rushers (particularly after Chandler got hurt), and instead, they relied on a secondary that could blanket opposing receivers for significant lengths of time.
 
Losing Revis and probably Browner, I think the Pats switch gears this season, and I think this move is the first in a series of them.  Sure, they'll get some guys to fill in that secondary, and Bill's 3-4 is always at it's best when he has one shut down corner, but absent that, the next best way to stop a passing attack is to rush the shit out of opposing quarterbacks, thus, lessening the amount of time your "weaker" secondary has to stay with the opponents receivers.  Unless something changes before the season, or we make a move in season to get a stud corner, like we did with Talib, I think we see more blitzing next year than we have in the past few years combined.  I also think Bill is looking around at this division and noticing something that is glaringly obvious.  The QB's suck, but the receivers are getting better and better.  He may very well feel that forcing these quarterbacks into faster reads in the face of a relentless pass rush is going to be more beneficial than allowing them time, but knowing that it won't matter because our secondary was better than their receivers.  If the receivers are good enough, it doesn't matter how good your secondary is, eventually, they will get open.  That hasn't been the case up until now, but BB may feel that things are changing.  So, the focus now becomes a pass rush. 
 
Maybe I'm totally off base, but I think there is so much more going on behind the scenes than just keeping guys and letting guys go and signing other guys.  There is a big picture, and if anyone looks at it closer than BB and the Pats, I'd be shocked.  No matter what, it's going to be very interesting to say the least.
 
 

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I think that's the strategy. I don't think it had anything to do with the caliber of receivers in the AFC East or part of a change in philosophy as much as the team pursuing where they feel there is value.
 

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Volin weighs in on this point in the Globe. Waves of pass rushers; deep rotation. Giants, Seahawks and so forth.

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