wibi said:
On twitter, a couple of different NFL players have noted that Bostick's job was almost certainly to block for Nelson rather than fuck up the catch.
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On twitter, a couple of different NFL players have noted that Bostick's job was almost certainly to block for Nelson rather than fuck up the catch.
McCarthy sucks. Sliding on that INT was so dumb. Going uber conservative with 5 minutes left was dumb. The defense completely imploded. That two point conversion is almost impossible to believe. If I was a Green Bay fan, and I think my personal God I am not, I would consider going on a killing spree. That was a huge nut punch loss.
Seahawks radio call of the game winning score:
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/seahawks-radio-broadcast-erupts-in-screams-cursing-aft-1680315754/+bubbaprog
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/seahawks-radio-broadcast-erupts-in-screams-cursing-aft-1680315754/+bubbaprog
OMG, my heartbeat is finally getting back to normal after that game.
Some quick post game notes:
Sherman and Thomas both to have MRIs this week on elbow and shoulder respectively. Both vowing to play in SB.
I'm still stunned
Some quick post game notes:
Sherman and Thomas both to have MRIs this week on elbow and shoulder respectively. Both vowing to play in SB.
I'm still stunned
Can anyone tell me what the deal was midway through the 3rd on that 1st & 15 play where GB sacked Wilson for a 15 yard loss, and Sea was flagged for unnecessary roughness in the play? Apparently GB declined the penalty and I don't understand why as its a dead-ball foul and so the sack should have counted. I have to be missing something but was listening on the radio and they didn't explain what was going on.
They were.drleather2001 said:
They didn't have the right leadership. McCarthy should not have been allowed on the team plane back to Green Bay.
Oil Can, it made absolutely no sense to those of us watching the game either. Rodgers was basically down, as he was about 4 inches off the ground and being spun down, when a Seattle defender came in late and hit him to finish him off. I couldn't figure out what the call could have been other than a late hit, maybe unnecessary roughness, but there was no contact to the head that I remember. Either way, the penalty was so late that it should have clearly been a dead ball foul, no different than a late hit on a guy about to run out of bounds.
Folks might forget, but I'm pretty sure that ended up being a massive play because it was like 2nd and 30 after that play, instead of 2nd and 45, and on the next play, I believe Lynch picked up about 12 yards, and then Wilson hit Kearse or Baldwin on 3rd and 19. If I'm not mistaken, that drive led to Seattle's first touchdown, and had the penalty been called, odds are they wouldn't have even thrown the ball on third down.
I said in this thread at the time that it made no sense that Bostick was the guy fielding that onside kick on the hands team. Zero sense at all. On a kick like that, he's one of the guys who is designated to run up and block and let Cobb, Nelson, Adams, etc. make a clean catch behind him. I'm guessing he saw the ball and his eyes lit up and he thought he'd be the hero and make a play. McCarthy was rightfully chewing his ass out on the sidelines after the fact.
My God, if any of about 35 plays go any way other than the way they did, Seattle loses this game. It was like divine intervention, which kind of scares the shit out of me, but I'm not going to worry about it for at least a week.
Folks might forget, but I'm pretty sure that ended up being a massive play because it was like 2nd and 30 after that play, instead of 2nd and 45, and on the next play, I believe Lynch picked up about 12 yards, and then Wilson hit Kearse or Baldwin on 3rd and 19. If I'm not mistaken, that drive led to Seattle's first touchdown, and had the penalty been called, odds are they wouldn't have even thrown the ball on third down.
I said in this thread at the time that it made no sense that Bostick was the guy fielding that onside kick on the hands team. Zero sense at all. On a kick like that, he's one of the guys who is designated to run up and block and let Cobb, Nelson, Adams, etc. make a clean catch behind him. I'm guessing he saw the ball and his eyes lit up and he thought he'd be the hero and make a play. McCarthy was rightfully chewing his ass out on the sidelines after the fact.
My God, if any of about 35 plays go any way other than the way they did, Seattle loses this game. It was like divine intervention, which kind of scares the shit out of me, but I'm not going to worry about it for at least a week.
That's not the point.Three10toLeft said:
Regardless of the validity of the statement (which is always going to be highly questionable), it just makes you look petulant. GB should have won that game; they fucked up just enough times to lose.
Deathofthebambino said:
Just like it was for Dallas two weeks ago (flag picked up, other strange ref calls)...until they lose a heartbreaker in GB
Just like it was for Green Bay last week (Dez Bryant on 4th down)...until they lose a heartbreaker in Seattle.
Sorry, can't read thru every post, but has there been an explanation /criticism of the packer interception that simply went down with like 5 minutes left? Didn't he have blockers and a wide open field?
PC Drunken Friar said:
This has been discussed on Packer reporter twitter accounts. According to these (Nagler, Behnke, etc) the coaching staff had encouraged/coached the players to simply fall down with the interception under those circumstances...According to Jason Wilde (maybe?), Julius Peppers can be seen to motion to him to fall down/go down with the ball. Nagler contends that this was a mistake, but it is possible that the player misread the situation, given all the daylight available.
PS: Obviously fumbles are the main concern here. Obvious-er-ly, if he had run he probably could have picked up at least 20 more yards.
singaporesoxfan said:
Hey this deserves some love!
Seattle's KING-TV cancels Joseph McCarthy's scheduled speech on October 23, 1952.
I keep thinking of Herb Brooks when the USA was down to Finland:
If you lose this game, you'll take it to your fucking graves, boys.
The Packers lost.
If you lose this game, you'll take it to your fucking graves, boys.
The Packers lost.
Nah.Three10toLeft said:
If a team loses the turnover battle by two and still wins, it's almost certainly the better team.
Bostick said as much after the game. Normally I feel bad for someone that gets singled out as a goat for one play in a play where so many things went wrong, but Bostick ignored his assignment AND screwed up what he was trying to do, making him a deserving goat.Deathofthebambino said:
It is totally believable that McCarthy coaches his players to fall down there, given how conservative he appears to be in all other aspects of the game. Green Bay's situational awareness was disgusting yesterday.kolbitr said:
kolbitr said:
5 minutes left in the game and they were coached to go down. That's such pathetic leadership and tactically horrible. Seattle had 5 minutes left, 3 timeouts, and the 2 minute warning, which means the game was far, far, far from over. It was so far from over, Seattle was actually able to take the lead and still leave time for the Packers to mount a game tying drive.
I'm glad I'm not a Green Bay fan. There were so many mistakes from top to bottom which caused their loss. The two point conversion was so absolutely horrendous, it makes me laugh. The ball was in the air for an hour.
Lynch's runs late in the game were just pathetic by the Packers defenders. He went over, around, and through them with malice, and they just kind of stood around and, like, did stuff, sort of.
From failing to put the game out of reach in the first quarter, to completely spitting the bit in all phases of the game in the second half, the Packers utterly deserved to lose. Crosby is the only one who should have been allowed on the plane back home.
From failing to put the game out of reach in the first quarter, to completely spitting the bit in all phases of the game in the second half, the Packers utterly deserved to lose. Crosby is the only one who should have been allowed on the plane back home.
OilCanShotTupac said:
I'd give Rodgers a seat on the plane, too. He wasn't given the chance to put the game away. McCarthy played not to lose in so many situations. And, thus, he lost.
johnmd20 said:
He was given a chance to put the game away in the first quarter. Rodgers shouldn't get a pass for his performance, missed a wide open Nelson in the endzone, threw a terrible pick, took a shot in FG range that ended up intercepted because he thought it was a free play. He made a ton of mental and physical mistakes, if he played well the Packers would've been up something like 27-0 in the first half.
kolbitr said:
So concern over the tiny chance of fumbling an INT back to the other team is the reasoning?
Geez. Way, way too conservative with 5 minutes left. Because they killed off 4+ minutes at the end of the Dallas game, they assumed they could do it again?
Watching the replay, If not for Bostick, that ball falls right into Nelson's hands, game over. It looked bad live, but it looks ten times worse in slow motion. Bostick seemed inconsolable after the game. Gotta feel for the guy, even if it's all on him.
I don't see why it's so obvious that the Packers player shouldn't go down after the INT. On nearly every interception I see, there's always a point where the value of the yard or two gained seems not worth the defensive player running with the ball and threatening to lose it. It's really strange to me how people are so definitive that that play cost Green Bay the game -- that was a good play where the defense did its job and turned over Seattle (again). Maybe he does take it to the house, but he probably doesn't, so we're talking about a relatively small amount of time here in my mind. To be honest, I wouldn't really be on a coach much who coaches his players in general to just get down. You see defensive backs, linebackers, and safeties do so many dumb things when trying to, essentially, do more than their job (catchphrase alert!) that it seems kind of wise to ask them to make the play and get down.
I mean, the Packers didn't lose because they didn't score a potential touchdown on an interception. They lost because they couldn't tackle Marshawn Lynch or defend that horrible 2 pt conversion jump ball play.
I mean, the Packers didn't lose because they didn't score a potential touchdown on an interception. They lost because they couldn't tackle Marshawn Lynch or defend that horrible 2 pt conversion jump ball play.
I agree with that as well -- so why the hell is there so much noise about an INT slide? Because Boomer Esiason chose to point to it on TV and radio? It's way, way down there on the list of things they screwed up, and arguably isn't even a screw up.
soxfan121 said:
This play forever changed my opinion about guys running with the ball after an INT. If you've got a clear lane to the end zone, go for it. But if you're going to have to run through traffic, I'd prefer that the guy hit the deck and let the offense try to score.
teddykgb said:
I don't think they lost with just one play, they made a ton of mistakes yesterday that led to the meltdown. I do think sliding on an INT (b/c they thought it was the game ending pick) was one of them. It may not have been as erroneous as some of the other big plays, but it could have possibly changed the outcome of the game.
3 points there would have been huge.
The problem with giving himself up there is that he had nobody around him. I understand if there's traffic and he doesn't want to risk getting tackled, but he had 15 yards of open space in front of him, take that and slide if anyone gets near you. Don't throw field position away.
teddykgb said:
Because he EASILY could have run 10+ yards and out of bounds with no one near him. There were 3 receivers on that side. One went deep, the other had cut hard towards the middle of the field. Burnett had only OL and Wilson to beat to hit the sideline. He slid and it took 3-4 seconds before anyone from GB touched him.
Burnett is the guy deep in the middle. The Seattle WR on the right was going deep. He and Kearse, who went to the ground, are are the only 2 Seattle players outside the right hashmarks. Burnett picked it at the left hashmark and one would think he could easily get to the sideline without any chance of a fumble.
I'll pull a Peter King and list this fact I read elsewhere. The onside kick was the first time Chris Matthews had touched the ball in a game all season.
This Wall Street Journal analysis argues that defenders should lateral more after interceptions, which suggests to me that in general defenders are overly conservative following interceptions. While obviously the INT slide situation wasn't exactly the same thing as lateraling, I think the fact that the slide was a coached decision is reflective of GB's general too-risk averse approach to the game, and only adds to the blame that needs to be heaped on McCarthy.
As a Pats fan, I wanted the Packers to pull it out since McCarthy was clearly overmatched. As an analytics fan, I did like the fact that karma (note: non-analytic term) came to bite them in the ass. If GB had gone for it both times and only came up with a touchdown once the Packers would likely be in the Super Bowl now.
As a Pats fan, I wanted the Packers to pull it out since McCarthy was clearly overmatched. As an analytics fan, I did like the fact that karma (note: non-analytic term) came to bite them in the ass. If GB had gone for it both times and only came up with a touchdown once the Packers would likely be in the Super Bowl now.
Obviously rules is rules, but nobody's bothered by a conference championship overtime game ending with one team never touching the ball?