NBA Trade Season Rumors

[Cellar-Door]

Figure we should have a thread for trade rumors/talk given it's getting spread out over a bunch of threads, and tomorrow is a key day in the trade season with 85% of the league becoming available.

To start it off....
KOC on his podcast today said that the Hield/Bagley package being rumored is because the Kings have an ownership mandate to make the playoffs at all costs this year.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Figure we should have a thread for trade rumors/talk given it's getting spread out over a bunch of threads, and tomorrow is a key day in the trade season with 85% of the league becoming available.

To start it off....
KOC on his podcast today said that the Hield/Bagley package being rumored is because the Kings have an ownership mandate to make the playoffs at all costs this year.

Ian Begley of SNY says the Mavs and Nets talked about a trade involving Kyrie Irving and Kristaps Porzingis. He says it is unknown whether or not talks went beyond a preliminary stage.

 

[oumbi]

So, the "Hield/Bagley package" is just out there and other clubs are supposed to bid? Or did KOC actually mention whether clubs are actually having conversations on that offer?

 

[JCizzle]

Figure we should have a thread for trade rumors/talk given it's getting spread out over a bunch of threads, and tomorrow is a key day in the trade season with 85% of the league becoming available.

To start it off....
KOC on his podcast today said that the Hield/Bagley package being rumored is because the Kings have an ownership mandate to make the playoffs at all costs this year.

Ahhh, it's refreshing to see the annual Kings mandate coming back to bite them in the ass yet again.

 

[Swedgin]

Figure we should have a thread for trade rumors/talk given it's getting spread out over a bunch of threads, and tomorrow is a key day in the trade season with 85% of the league becoming available.

To start it off....
KOC on his podcast today said that the Hield/Bagley package being rumored is because the Kings have an ownership mandate to make the playoffs at all costs this year.

While not always a fan of his analysis, Danny Leroux is spot on with the "Ownership is the among biggest competitive advantages in the NBA" mantra. Likewise, Kevin Arnovitz spent his last appearance on the Lowe post railing (or as close as Arnovitz gets to railing) against Vivek and the impossibility of building anything in Sac under his stewardship.

 

[bsj]

Hearing lots of chatter about Jerami Grant to the Lakers.

View: https://twitter.com/SamQuinnCBS/status/1470407435248619526?s=20


I am a big Grant fan and I really dont want to see yet another guy, another former Cuse guy, on the NBA team I hate most of all.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Couldn't other teams offer more? I'm not the biggest Grant fan but you'd think his efficiency would improve a bit on the Lakers but that Detroit could get way more from another team.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

I'd be surprised if the Lakers can win the bidding for Grant---they literally have 1 1st, THT, and maybe Nunn as assets and nothing else.

I am occasionally surprised how teams conjure assets (turn Westbrook into something?) but I have to think someone else is going to offer more value than that. I have no doubt Lakers are in on everyone, though, as they should be if you have LBJ.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

What would the offer be for Simmons……Westbrook+ ? Lol

 

[benhogan]

I'd be surprised if the Lakers can win the bidding for Grant---they literally have 1 1st, THT, and maybe Nunn as assets and nothing else.

I am occasionally surprised how teams conjure assets (turn Westbrook into something?) but I have to think someone else is going to offer more value than that. I have no doubt Lakers are in on everyone, though, as they should be if you have LBJ.

Agreed

maybe I'm not creative enough but I don't see the Lakers having enough

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

What would the offer be for Simmons……Westbrook+ ?

It'd be a 3 teamer with Westbrook going to like, the Kings or some team desperate to make the playoffs. Guy is a floor raiser if nothing else.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

Agreed

maybe I'm not creative enough but I don't see the Lakers having enough

The C's could top a Laker deal, unless for some reason Detroit is in love with THT. The Pistons may actually have interest in AN and RL because they have minutes to give away.

 

[Cesar Crespo]

If Grant or Simmons end up in LA, it's because LeBron has too much power.

 

[benhogan]

The C's could top a Laker deal, unless for some reason Detroit is in love with THT. The Pistons may actually have interest in AN and RL because they have minutes to give away.

exactly

The C's have a bunch of kids builders can dream on in: RL, AN, PP, Begarin, Mader, and every 1st

Brad will need to consolidate at some point, especially if Grant or Woods are available

Even at .500 this team should still be looking to make moves for better talent. A guy like Nesmith, who has the talent, needs a lot of minutes/shots to flourish, a tanker would be ideal for him

 

[Cellar-Door]

So, the "Hield/Bagley package" is just out there and other clubs are supposed to bid? Or did KOC actually mention whether clubs are actually having conversations on that offer?

A couple of people have mentioned that the Kings are shopping them, including Shams, not much concrete yet on offers, but that's true for everyone on the block right now


Unrelated, but basically everyone who isn't Shams (Lowe, KOC, even Smith) has been pointing out that the Lakers may tell people that they are interested in Simmons and Grant, but they have almost no path to Simmons that makes sense (one of AD, LeBron, Russ has to go out) and not much in assets for Grant (who wants an extension), their cap situation means they're really limited.

 

[NomarsFool]

How can the Lakers fit Simmons under the cap? Even with Davis and Lebron being Bird-rights players, it would seem they couldn't afford to have every player on their team.

Edit: Just looked it up. How, their situation is amazing. Other than Davis, Westbrook, and Lebron almost every player on their roster is at the minimum.

Edit again: From a salary perspective, it's hard to see how the Lakers match up with Simmons for salary. Talen Horton-Tucker makes $9.5 and Kendrick Nunn makes $5.0. Every single other player on the team makes $1.7 million.

With Simmons at $33 million, unless they are trading Westbrook - I don't see how they trade for Simmons? I assume you can't trade 10 players making $1.7 million each for Simmons.

 

[Kliq]

Yeah, I mean that is kind of why the team sucks. A bunch of washed veterans that nobody else would want.

The Lakers are "in the mix" because LeBron/Klutch has mouthpieces everywhere and can theoretically steer talent to LA.

 

[Pablo's TB Lover]

While not always a fan of his analysis, Danny Leroux is spot on with the "Ownership is the among biggest competitive advantages in the NBA" mantra. Likewise, Kevin Arnovitz spent his last appearance on the Lowe post railing (or as close as Arnovitz gets to railing) against Vivek and the impossibility of building anything in Sac under his stewardship.

It's like that terrible boss who doesn't attend the kickoff meeting for the project and doesn't return staff calls, then shows up the day before the project deadline screaming "Where are my widgets?!"

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Utah is rumored by multiple sources to be fine tuning and maybe moving one of Bogdanovich or possibly Ingles for a more defensive minded wing. If this happens, the return/destination will be fascinating. One of the targets mentioned by KOC in his piece yesterday was Jerami Grant - swapping Bogdanovic for Grant is a pretty decent move for Utah - the money works too but what does Detroit want with Bojan? Seems like the Jazz would have to pay up to make this swap.

It will be interesting to see if there are more multiple team deals given all the cap and roster constraints that some of the contenders have.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Utah is rumored by multiple sources to be fine tuning and maybe moving one of Bogdanovich or possibly Ingles for a more defensive minded wing. If this happens, the return/destination will be fascinating. One of the targets mentioned by KOC in his piece yesterday was Jerami Grant - swapping Bogdanovic for Grant is a pretty decent move for Utah - the money works too but what does Detroit want with Bojan? Seems like the Jazz would have to pay up to make this swap.

It will be interesting to see if there are more multiple team deals given all the cap and roster constraints that some of the contenders have.

Detroit would I assume shift Bojan on to a contender, picking up assets from the Jazz and the other team.

Edit- for example you might see Grant to UTAH for Bojan and a pick and/or young player, then Bojan to LAL for THT, Nunn, Monk (maybe 2025 1st?)

 

[nighthob]

The C's have a bunch of kids builders can dream on in: RL, AN, PP, Begarin, Mader, and every 1st

Honestly, having watched waaaaaay too much French basketball this year I’d hold on to Begarin. He has the makings of a very broad game, which combined with his athleticism makes him a little too valuable to send out for a third option scorer,

 

[the moops]

Yeah, I mean that is kind of why the team sucks. A bunch of washed veterans that nobody else would want.

They may not have much trade value, but nearly every team would want a Ariza, Howard, Rondo, Bazemore, Bradley on their team

 

[benhogan]

Honestly, having watched waaaaaay too much French basketball this year I’d hold on to Begarin. He has the makings of a very broad game, which combined with his athleticism makes him a little too valuable to send out for a third option scorer,

He already has an NBA body, liked what I saw from him at Vegas.

Post any good videos you come across on Begarin.

If we are watching, the league is watching. So maybe the C's young asset stash isn't as bad as we think?

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

They may not have much trade value, but nearly every team would want a Ariza, Howard, Rondo, Bazemore, Bradley on their team

And I would want to collect a bunch of old baseball cards with worn out corners as long as I didn't have to trade any mint condition cards for them.

We're in a trade rumor thread talking about the trade value of the Lakers roster. No one is giving up a good piece to get one of these guys.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Agreed. I think no one has any real idea whether the Lakers vet-heavy roster will be an asset or a disaster in the playoffs. But we should have some confidence that it is not much in the way of trade value mid-year

 

[nighthob]

If we are watching, the league is watching. So maybe the C's young asset stash isn't as bad as we think?

I think a lot of teams look at Langford and think that he probably just needs a change of scenery. He's offensively passive because of the guys in front of him, on a young squad (read virtual minor league team) with minutes to burn, he probably looks a lot better. Nesmith is probably in the same boat. When you're playing on a team that wants to contend the coach gives young guys a short leash and some of them spend more time trying not to screw up. Grant Williams doesn't have that mentality, but I think the other two do. Combined with some firsts you might be able to pry away a third option scorer from someone.

 

[ElcaballitoMVP]

So, when do the Kyrie to the Lakers rumors start up? How hilarious would that be? Or let's go crazy and solve all of the NBA's issues in one simple deal:

Kyrie to PHI
Russ to BKN
Simmons to LAL

Who says no? Brooklyn? Philly? It almost makes too much sense. Okay, maybe BKN doesn't want to put the OKC musketeers back to together. So let's mix up the offer:

Kyrie/Thybulle to LAL
Simmons to BKN
Russ to PHI

 

[Cesar Crespo]

So, when do the Kyrie to the Lakers rumors start up? How hilarious would that be? Or let's go crazy and solve all of the NBA's issues in one simple deal:

Kyrie to PHI
Russ to BKN
Simmons to LAL

Who says no? Brooklyn? Philly? It almost makes too much sense. Okay, maybe BKN doesn't want to put the OKC musketeers back to together. So let's mix up the offer:

Kyrie/Thybulle to LAL
Simmons to BKN
Russ to PHI

Simmons isn't vaccinated afaik. He's not going to Brooklyn. It's also the one reason I wouldn't want the C's trading for him.

Though maybe he recently got vaccinated and I missed it.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Simmons isn't vaccinated afaik. He's not going to Brooklyn. It's also the one reason I wouldn't want the C's trading for him.

Though maybe he recently got vaccinated and I missed it.

There is a lot of confusion. Someone said he wasn't and Keith Pompey repeated it, but had no real evidence, on the other hand, some people noted that he went to Wimbledon which required all spectators to be vaccinated, and didn't have to quarantine when he got to the UK, which also indicates vaccinated status.

Seems like nobody knows for sure.

 

[benhogan]

So, when do the Kyrie to the Lakers rumors start up? How hilarious would that be? Or let's go crazy and solve all of the NBA's issues in one simple deal:

Kyrie to PHI
Russ to BKN
Simmons to LAL

Who says no? Brooklyn? Philly? It almost makes too much sense. Okay, maybe BKN doesn't want to put the OKC musketeers back to together. So let's mix up the offer:

Kyrie/Thybulle to LAL
Simmons to BKN
Russ to PHI

whoever gets Simmons wins

He's younger, better, cheaper and under control longer

Kyrie may not play if traded away from KD, plus VAX status is a question mark

Morey should look for something better

 

[Cesar Crespo]

There is a lot of confusion. Someone said he wasn't and Keith Pompey repeated it, but had no real evidence, on the other hand, some people noted that he went to Wimbledon which required all spectators to be vaccinated, and didn't have to quarantine when he got to the UK, which also indicates vaccinated status.

Seems like nobody knows for sure.

He donated like half a million to a million in Covid related causes too, which was why I assumed he was vaccinated until Keith Pompey reported otherwise.

Simmons seems to take it seriously so him not being vaccinated would be weird.

 

[benhogan]

He donated like half a million to a million in Covid related causes too, which was why I assumed he was vaccinated until Keith Pompey reported otherwise.

Simmons seems to take it seriously so him not being vaccinated would be weird.

from 3days ago

https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/ben_simmons_vaccination_status_comes_under_scrutiny/s1_16514_36701150is

not sure if Pompey is a 76ers mouthpiece and trying to smear Ben?

 

[RorschachsMask]

View: https://twitter.com/OlehKosel/status/1471204494599929858?s=20

 

[benhogan]

Trade Intel from Matt Moore

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-league-sources-on-trade-season-expectations

cliff notes: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2147565

Celtics: Two sources indicated that the Celtics are focused on trying to add a third star to play with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

Knicks: There is no interest league-wide in taking on Kemba Walker according to multiple sources.

 

[jon abbey]

Alec Burks should be very available for young players/picks, I have seen him mentioned here before as a possible BOS target. What would you guys offer for him?

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Alec Burks should be very available for young players/picks, I have seen him mentioned here before as a possible BOS target. What would you guys offer for him?

I view Burks as redundant on our second unit with J-Rich and he’s guaranteed $10m next year. For a guy who wouldn’t have a clear role here I don’t touch him.

 

[jon abbey]

I view Burks as redundant on our second unit with J-Rich and he’s guaranteed $10m next year. For a guy who wouldn’t have a clear role here I don’t touch him.

Alec was not thrilled with this response and threw up a career high tying 34 points in 27 minutes tonight. It was admittedly against the Pistons down a bunch of guys, but they did well shutting down the rest of the team (Burks was 12-17 and everyone else combined for 19-64).

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything (seriously) but he comes off the bench and often has huge fourth quarters (19 tonight), he gets buried sometimes alongside Rose (when healthy obv) and Quickley, all shoot first guards who all come off the bench typically, so he seems like a good fit for BOS as a sixth man offense type, if there is a match.

 

[Jimbodandy]

Alec was not thrilled with this response and threw up a career high tying 34 points in 27 minutes tonight. It was admittedly against the Pistons down a bunch of guys, but they did well shutting down the rest of the team (Burks was 12-17 and everyone else combined for 19-64).

I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything (seriously) but he comes off the bench and often has huge fourth quarters (19 tonight), he gets buried sometimes alongside Rose (when healthy obv) and Quickley, all shoot first guards who all come off the bench typically, so he seems like a good fit for BOS as a sixth man offense type, if there is a match.

You'll get a lot of latitude here, since SRN tried to sell us Jordan Bell and DLo multiple times.

 

[RorschachsMask]

View: https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1476695648082841605?s=20

 

[Sam Ray Not]

LeBron and Rondo for Sexton, Rubio, and Markkanen works in the trade machine…

 

[Sam Ray Not]

You'll get a lot of latitude here, since SRN tried to sell us Jordan Bell and DLo multiple times.

IIRC, I wasn’t trying to get anything from you for DLo, tho. I just thought DLo — even before his cup of coffee with the Warriors — was a pretty good age/size/role fit with the Jays. I still kinda think that, with the caveat that DLo kinda sucks (depressingly low scoring efficiency this season, with shockingly high on-off numbers).

In any case, me trying to sell you on DLo was imho less egregious than the Port Cellar’s insistence that Wiggins plus young assets (Wiseman, Kuminga, a truckload of Humboldt’s finest, etc.) for Kemba Walker was a deal that the Warriors should and would obviously make. ;-P

 

[jon abbey]

If a truckload of Humboldt’s finest is still available, you are welcome to your pick of the Knicks.

 

[Cellar-Door]

Keith Smith speculates it's Rondo into the minimum exception for a fake 2nd or cash

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Why would Lakers do that for nothing? I guess if they feel Rondo is washed maybe

 

[BigSoxFan]

Why would Lakers do that for nothing? I guess if they feel Rondo is washed maybe

Guess they’re keeping Collison around?

 

[Cellar-Door]

Why would Lakers do that for nothing? I guess if they feel Rondo is washed maybe

Tax and a roster spot for Stanley Johnson

 

[BigMike]

Tax and a roster spot for Stanley Johnson

Yeah, saw one video which suggested trading Rondo for nothing and signing Johnson saves the Lakes more than 10 million versus waiving Rondo to sign Johnson

 

[Cellar-Door]

View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1476947873682055174


And there it is, CLE sent back Valentine's partial guarantee to make sure they don't end up in the tax, LAL save some money

 

[Cellar-Door]

Slight tweak to the Rondo trade....

Lakers paid the Knicks $1.1M cash to take Valentine, and everyone involved swaps draft rights to guys who'll never come over.
Knicks get money, Lakers save $4M in tax.

View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1478039024011026437