NBA In-Season Tournament 2023 Discussion and Gamethread
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seriously, the absolute load of bullshit that Draymond gets away with. I can't wait till he's out of the league. First time in the history of the league, from the sounds of it, that someone hit the rim on a shot attempt, it was called offensive goaltending, and that call was overturned on review because "the ball was going in either way" - and it just so happens to benefit this one guy who's somehow always at the center of every controversy and spare him some blushes. Is that the standard of review now, guys?
Thanks for the info. Would be cool if they could do something like an FA cup where it isn't just NBA teams, but regional teams could qualify as well.. I know we don't really have that infrastructure in terms of multiple levels of pro leagues, and NBA teams would probably just win, but the idea would seem fun.
Did that really happen? It's shocking that a fellow would feel entitled to do whatever he wants all of the time when all people do is let him get away with anything he wants to do... And it's not just that..but how NBA pundits describe it as gamesmanship or hijinks or getting under players skin..etc. When all it really is is a man-child being very often physically violent while playing a game.. against other players that aren't given the same leeway to retaliate.
edit: Kerr probably uses chatGPT to continue writing up his excuses for Draymond so that it doesn't get redundant or stale.
If you told me 6 months ago that I'd be home watching Brogdon in iso against Smart in a Grizzlies/Blazers game.....
Brogdon and Smart hit the deck, Brogdon reaches out his hand to help him up....Smart swats it away. Whoa!! NBA drama!
What do you think that’s about? I never picked up on any dislike while they were both here
IDK but maybe Smart thinks he'd still be a Celtic if Brogdon deal with the Clippers goes through???
(which would be completely irrational, but also completely Marcus).
Are there a lot of instances where someone hits the rim and the ball goes in anyway where the T isn't called? (edit: I believe this is the first time in the history of the NBA..) Is there a reason a precedent should be set on this play vs. the hundreds of other times that it's happened?
There's zero reason that basket should have counted seeing the replay.. Giddey has Draymond on his back which is why he's so low when he swung and hit the net... Draymond basically grabbed his shoulder and forced him forward.
yes there is. giddey committed goaltending before Draymond grabbed the rim. it's an easy call
Giddey is trying to go straight up before Draymond runs into him from behind IMO.
edit: so was the call goaltending which is why it counted? I don't know a lot of instances where both an offensive and defensive player goaltending on the same play.
It was basket interference, overturned by a goaltend which resulted in a made basket.
Smart and TL gave each other a long and smiling embrace at midcourt prior to the game during warmups.
Are you saying the penalties offset so they should've replayed the down?
Effectively. Dubs booth was speculating that the officials saw that Giddey grabbed the net used it as the basis for the overturn. I believe I heard the ESPN anchor just report that the head official denied that when questioned about it. But I think that's what happened.
Here is a quick explainer in regard to the NBA schedule
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_in-season_tournament
Dallas is just a team full of shit heads. They can score, but they just got a ton of undisciplined guys that aren't organized on defense, and Kidd is a lousy coach. Doncic basically can't miss right now and they can't get close in this game because they can't stop Denver if their life depended on it.
Sharpe is pretty good. Rob should be playing crunch time if his knee allows it, Ayton stinks. Malcolm is meh.
Smart is on a team with a lot less talent (especially minus Ja) making the same sloppy plays down the stretch isn't going to work.
Good luck to the former Celts, but I like our squad. Strong work Brad.
Smart is on a team with a lot less talent (especially minus Ja) making the same sloppy plays down the stretch isn't going to work.
Good luck to the former Celts, but I like our squad. Strong work Brad.
First game in my close to 50 years watching the NBA that I turned off a game because of the court. I was psyched to see some actual high quality hoops after the zombie Knicks but I did not last more than a few minutes.
The “Giddey grabbed the net first” rationale was given by Bob Fitzgerald, not the head official. The head official’s stated rationale was just that the rim touch did not affect the shot.
Until tonight, I thought touching the rim or grabbing the net with the ball in the cylinder was 100% goaltending, and not only if it affected the shot.
Refs probably just wanted to go home…
Watching Steph run around the court making great plays, laughing, celebrating, antics, etc is funny & enjoyable to watch.
BUT man Draymond rips away any joy from a Warriors game. It's a slog. The same act every night, incessantly yelling at refs, opponents, twirling his hand for replays, throwing elbows, tripping dudes, etc. The dude should be T'd up much more ... Habitual Line Stepper.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9yQq4NxyOE
BUT man Draymond rips away any joy from a Warriors game. It's a slog. The same act every night, incessantly yelling at refs, opponents, twirling his hand for replays, throwing elbows, tripping dudes, etc. The dude should be T'd up much more ... Habitual Line Stepper.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9yQq4NxyOE
So, that was pretty awesome.
The NBA really nailed this: teams already play 5-10 intense games in the first 2 months. The problem was that they weren't doing it in a coordinated manner.
By giving an arbitrary thing to play for, they solve the coordination problem, and we get fun basketball.
Pretty much the same as how majors work in other sports. I'm going to enjoy this a lot; they seem to have fixed the pre-Christmas problem in the NBA.
The courts: I like the thought behind making them distinctive, but they need to tone it down a bit to work on TV. Milwaukee's was the best in this regard.
The NBA really nailed this: teams already play 5-10 intense games in the first 2 months. The problem was that they weren't doing it in a coordinated manner.
By giving an arbitrary thing to play for, they solve the coordination problem, and we get fun basketball.
Pretty much the same as how majors work in other sports. I'm going to enjoy this a lot; they seem to have fixed the pre-Christmas problem in the NBA.
The courts: I like the thought behind making them distinctive, but they need to tone it down a bit to work on TV. Milwaukee's was the best in this regard.
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Yeah I heard the ESPN anchor said that too.. so the ref just overturned it.. without considering the basket interference by either player. Which to me is setting a new precedent.
They were probably tired of getting yelled at by Draymond and worried that he may hit them or accidentally kick them in the nuts as that’s what he’s basically done his entire career.
edit: to other players and not the refs.. but he’s unhinged enough that who knows
Draymond Green is Bill Laimbeer: talented enough to play cleanly, but sees advantages to playing dirty, and team is successful enough to not care.
There is one week of December where the schedule is not yet set, and all teams only have 80 of 82 regular season games currently scheduled. The 22 teams that do not qualify for the knockout stage will get 2 regular season games scheduled amongst themselves that week. Similarly, the 4 teams that lose in the quarterfinal stage will get a single regular season game scheduled amongst themselves that week. I believe Wednesday and Friday are the days for regular season games amongst the non-qualifiers.
That NBA rule changed years ago (unsure of the college rule) to where there must be a vibration and an effect on the shot.
+1. The 2 finalists will be playing in front of a sold out arena in Las Vegas on national TV, all the while playing for $500K each. And every team has at least Sunday off, with many teams with 2 full days off after.
I quite like the idea of improving the tournament winner's end-of-season conference ranking by one position, or alternatively giving them a couple of extra wins for seeding purposes. Not something to totally tilt the scales...but also not nothing, either.
Disagree: I think making tourney's value almost purely intrinsic has the best chance of cementing its status over time.
Adding extrinsic basketball-related motivation cheapens the tourney. It's like getting money for your birthday present.
But this is all abstract. Empirically, the games last night were awesome and intense, and I see no reason that will change. You DEFINITELY don't want to wreck something that's empirically working by changing the incentives.
Compared to the courts I’ve seen so far, the Celtics’ court is fine. Parquet would have been more appropriate, but at least it doesn’t look as hideous as the others.
They already play some regular season games hard. There was just no coordinating mechanism for which to play hard, so it was haphazard.
The tournament solves that coordination problem.
I don't really have any strong feeings one way or the other as I don't have time to watch the other games but if it does end up BOS v DEN in the Finals with something meaningful on the line, it will be a huge success.
They couldn't have left the #6 on the court to celebrate and honor the greatest tournament player in basketball history?
I actually think they did. In the pictures it is at the bottom of center court they don’t show in the video. It is opposite the NBA logo you do see in the video at the top of center court.