The Social Chair said:The Heat are just not that good when Lebron sits. Wade, Allen, Bosh, Chalmers, Lewisis aare luckyman hethey got to hitchhistheir wagon to Lebron.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:Any questions about how valuable LeBron is were pretty definitively answered during those last three minutes. The Heat went from a championship juggernaut to a .500 team in the blink of an eye.
This game would have gone down to the wire if Lebron played. The defense fell apart without him.riboflav said:Heat got bigger probs than LBJ's softyness.
Serious or joking?Grin&MartyBarret said:Pretty big bummer that this game was decided by the air conditioning system.
Serious? I'm not saying the Heat would have won otherwise, but it sucks that LeBron didn't play crunch time minutes.Ed Hillel said:Serious or joking?
I think the C's would have slowed down the game on offense and set picks for him to shoot and would've picked up for him on D. Definitely would have done everything he could to stay in the game.Ed Hillel said:Well, Larry never would have done that.
LeBron has never looked soft up to now? Not ever ever in the playoffs? Interesting.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:And save the bullshit about MJ or Larry. Larry Bird missed plenty of playoff minutes due to a bad back and a leg cramp isn't a fucking flu. I don't love the Heat but LeBron is a two time champion who has never looked soft up to now and now all these people who rarely watch the NBA are now experts on the game and what it takes to play it.
He was the only guy playing in the heat? He's cramped in finals before btw. I'm pretty sure it's preventable, even in the heat.Grin&MartyBarret said:Serious? I'm not saying the Heat would have won otherwise, but it sucks that LeBron didn't play crunch time minutes.
lars10 said:I think the C's would have slowed down the game on offense and set picks for him to shoot and would've picked up for him on D. Definitely would have done everything he could to stay in the game.
You forgetting the left-handed FTs? I don't think he's a soft player, but he shouldn't be cramping and he's had his moments. It's on him and the coaching/medical staff.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:And save the bullshit about MJ or Larry. Larry Bird missed plenty of playoff minutes due to a bad back and a leg cramp isn't a fucking flu. I don't love the Heat but LeBron is a two time champion who has never looked soft up to now and now all these people who rarely watch the NBA are now experts on the game and what it takes to play it.
I agree... I've tried to do it.luckiestman said:
you could easier play basketball without an acl than with a leg cramp
Oh, right. The narrative. Sorry, momentarily forgot I have to prefer LeBron's failure to good basketball.Ed Hillel said:He was the only guy playing in the heat? He's cramped in finals before btw. I'm pretty sure it's preventable, even in the heat.
Cmon... LeBron has to be partially reponsible for his own hydration, no?Grin&MartyBarret said:Oh, right. The narrative. Sorry, momentarily forgot I have to prefer LeBron's failure to good basketball.
I don't care who is responsible though. I just wanted to watch LeBron play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals, and think it's a shame circumstance kept that from happening. Why is that so odd?lars10 said:Cmon... LeBron has to be partially reponsible for his own hydration, no?
You were robbed of your quality basketball because LBJ and the coaching staff didn't handle the situation well.Grin&MartyBarret said:Oh, right. The narrative. Sorry, momentarily forgot I have to prefer LeBron's failure to good basketball.
You should have just put it that way rather than blaming the AC then.Grin&MartyBarret said:I don't care who is responsible though. I just wanted to watch LeBron play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals, and think it's a shame circumstance kept that from happening. Why is that so odd?
Just so I'm clear, if I blame this on LeBron or other professionals associated with the Heat, you'll let me have my completely reasonable opinion? Deal. LeBron's a pussy. Their trainer's incompetent. Still a shame the game ended with LeBron on the bench, because he's good at basketball, and it would have been fun to watch him play it.Ed Hillel said:You were robbed of your quality basketball because LBJ and the coaching staff didn't handle the situation well.
lars10 said:Cmon... LeBron has to be partially reponsible for his own hydration, no?
Because in the end LeBron is reponsible for you not seeing him play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals and that he's ulitmately responsible for the circumstance that kept that from happening? (Multiple times)Grin&MartyBarret said:I don't care who is responsible though. I just wanted to watch LeBron play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals, and think it's a shame circumstance kept that from happening. Why is that so odd?
I'm sure you hate all poorly hydrated people equally.lars10 said:Because in the end LeBron is reponsible for you not seeing him play crunch time minutes in the NBA finals and that he's ulitmately responsible for the circumstance that kept that from happening? (Multiple times)
It's not a hate LeBron thing in this case...or maybe it is...I'm incapable of impartiality.
He's been mocked for this before by pro athletes...
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/20/nhl-players-mock-lebron-james-leg-cramps-via-twitter-during-game-4-of-nba-finals/
I agree...except for why did it happen in '12 too? I have no idea how players prepare for NBA games regarding hydration...and I don't know why James' body seems to, seemingly, react differently to other players in the same circumstance...although maybe LeBron played more minutes? I'm honestly interested in why it keeps happening to him.wade boggs chicken dinner said:
In LB/Heat medical staff defense, I would guess he would have hydrated differently if they had known it would be so got I'm guessing all the players lost a lot more fluids than anyone expected.
HA! nice.Grin&MartyBarret said:I'm sure you hate all poorly hydrated people equally.
The Heat were up and seemed to be going on a run to me.adam42381 said:What was the score when Lebron first left with cramps? My brother is saying the Heat were up 7 and would have won the game if Lebron weren't sitting out. Am I misremembering or was it a closer game? I never felt like the Spurs were losing this one.
I mean, it is San Antonio in June.riboflav said:Wilbon said the heat in the gym was much worse than the Garden in the 80s.
It's just funny that you are berating people for "having a narrative" over the bottom line of having LBJ in the game at crunch time, given that you framed the issue under a narrative of your own. If you had said something like "whatever the issue, it sucks as a viewer not having LBJ in the game," you wouldn't have gotten the responses you did.Grin&MartyBarret said:Just so I'm clear, if I blame this on LeBron or other professionals associated with the Heat, you'll let me have my completely reasonable opinion? Deal. LeBron's a pussy. Their trainer's incompetent. Still a shame the game ended with LeBron on the bench, because he's good at basketball, and it would have been fun to watch him play it.
Was it at least a dry heat?riboflav said:
I know that.
the heat had been up 7 about 90 seconds before, the spurs cut it to 2 with the duncan layup and then lebron asked outadam42381 said:What was the score when Lebron first left with cramps? My brother is saying the Heat were up 7 and would have won the game if Lebron weren't sitting out. Am I misremembering or was it a closer game? I never felt like the Spurs were losing this one.
Kliq said:The thing that is going to bother me about this is that the media is going to play it up so that the Heat lost because of the broken AC, and because LeBron cramped up. What people should really be talking about is just how brilliantly the Spurs closed that game. 31-9 is a phenomenal way to close the game. Would LeBron have made a difference? Maybe, maybe its a 24-16 run instead, but we shouldn't overstate the impact LeBron would have had on the finish of that game. Nobody was stopping how brilliantly executed the Spurs' offense was down the stretch.
I said, simply, that it was a bummer the broken AC decided this game. At the time, I didn't realize that comment somehow contained my opinions about a) LeBron James' toughness B) His hydration habits, or C) the Heat's training staff, nor did I realize that blaming the heat in the arena absolved LeBron/the Heat's training staff from any blame. I apologize for the confusion.Ed Hillel said:It's just funny that you are berating people for "having a narrative" over the bottom line of having LBJ in the game at crunch time, given that you framed the issue under a narrative of your own. If you had said something like "whatever the issue, it sucks as a viewer not having LBJ in the game," you wouldn't have gotten the responses you did.