NBA Finals: Celtics vs Mavs

Who wins?

  • Celtics in 4

    Votes: 22 5.0%
  • Celtics in 5

    Votes: 120 27.3%
  • Celtics in 6

    Votes: 222 50.6%
  • Celtics in 7

    Votes: 52 11.8%
  • Mavs in 4-5

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Mavs in 6-7

    Votes: 20 4.6%

  • Total voters
    439
  • Poll closed .

NomarsFool

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A lot of injuries are fluke occurrences, of course, but I do feel like the Celtics should also get some credit for having a deep team, being able to rest their starters appropriately during the season, to keep them (for the most part) healthy and ready to go in the playoffs.
 

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A lot of injuries are fluke occurrences, of course, but I do feel like the Celtics should also get some credit for having a deep team, being able to rest their starters appropriately during the season, to keep them (for the most part) healthy and ready to go in the playoffs.
It is after all easier to play your deep bench the entire 4Q when up 30+. There were many close games where the starters were pushed close to 40 or over 40 minutes when that is what was needed. Even with all those blowouts we had 4 guys in the Top-50 of most mpg. That being said, like Schilling used to say on the main board…all pitches aren’t created equally as there is much less arm stress being up 8-0 than the score being 1-0. That’s the same for basketball minutes as you aren’t expending nearly as much energy up 20+ as you are in a tie game especially defensively.

These starters, or our Top 6, deserve the credit for being able to rest appropriately both in the 4Q of blowouts and in scheduled off days as there was no real urgency to have to need everyone available. It’s easy to fit role players around our Top 4-5.
 

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Doesn't seem to be a bad place to be considering the 4 "slowest" guys are the 4 best players in Doncic, Brown, Irving, and Tatum
Yeah, Brown's #s aren't much different than Luka's. Interesting that only Hauser is near the top of the list for the Celtics, the rest are all Dallas. Boston doing a better job of moving the ball and forcing Dallas to chase might explain that.
 

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Kleber was a crucial piece to the Mavs rotation but I wouldn’t put this on him as he is clearly hurting after separating his right shoulder a month ago. He’s gutting it out but that isn’t the same player out there physically with this injury being to his shooting side.
Agreed. If I were a Mavs fan I'd look at Kleber and think that a healthy version of him is a big matchup plus in this series---provding more switchable ok rim protection than Lively/Gafford and also spacing at the other end. This version really can't do either of those things well, and he's not a useful player absent those skills.

What I'd say about Grant is that defensively he'd be their best matchup vs both JT and JB, so he'd matter in this series even if his offense would be limited. But they also wouldn't have gotten to the Finals without PJ's better overall game and versatility, so....
 

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Definitely an easier workload for us this year than last:

2022-23, total minutes played:

7. Tatum, 2,732
35. Brown, 2,405
49. White, 2,319

2022-23, minutes per game:

3. Tatum, 36.9
11. Brown, 35.9
49. Holiday, 32.6 (MIL)
50, KP, 32.6 (WAS)

2023-24, total minutes played:

16. Tatum, 2,645
46. White, 2,381
50. Brown, 2,343

2022-23, minutes per game:

12. Tatum, 35.7
35. Brown, 33.5
42. Holiday, 32.8
49, White, 32.6
 

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I'm in Omaha for the College World Series, and this a popular local establishment. Gotta be a good omen, no?

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Playoff stats:

Tatum: .426 FG, 25.2 points, 10.1 rebounds, 6.2 assists, 1.0 steals, 0.6 blocks
Brown: .543 FG, 24.9 points, 6.1 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.7 blocks
Besides poor shooting, JT has been very good in the Finals.

JB has been very good in every facet of the game in the Finals. If he has anything near a typical game tonight and Boston closes out the series, he should be the MVP. His scoring efficiency stands out in a series where the other three stars haven’t been efficient. JB .631 TS, JT .466, Kyrie .463, Luka .546. He also made a bunch of plays in crunch time
 

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Tim4wins, thanks for posting the JT video. Is Deuce a flopper or did JT push off?

I am hoping that a non Lebron star flopping and crying may lead to even more of a crackdown. I am in favor of fines, suspensions for all faking of contact.
One thing Tatum has improved is complaining hurting his transition d. To be honest he still does it, but it used to more frequent and worse.
Would make for a much better viewing experience if the whining is reduced. I thought Lebron was bad but Luka, STFU! Also, re: Tatum, when he was fouled by PJW on the dunk, he threw his arms up and in the foreground JB was smacking his forearm, they were double teaming the ref to no avail.
 

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Besides poor shooting, JT has been very good in the Finals.

JB has been very good in every facet of the game in the Finals. If he has anything near a typical game tonight and Boston closes out the series, he should be the MVP. His scoring efficiency stands out in a series where the other three stars haven’t been efficient. JB .631 TS, JT .466, Kyrie .463, Luka .546. He also made a bunch of plays in crunch time
JB’s shots at the end of several games this series has been great.. end of game three he made several daggers.. the long fall away that basically ended the Dallas run was huge.

He’d have my vote so far in the series even as a Tatum fanboy. I think Tatum has obviously had huge contributions as well.. but JB has had almost all of the exclamation points.

Hope they win tonite.
 

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I still don’t like it, but hustling back on defense with your hands in the air is much, much different than laying on the ground and rolling around while your team suffers a 5-4 fast break like Luka does.
Obviously one guy has grown into maybe the best all around player in the game, and the other hasn't.
 

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Doesn't seem to be a bad place to be considering the 4 "slowest" guys are the 4 best players in Doncic, Brown, Irving, and Tatum
Yes but look at defensive distance. Kyrie is working hard on defense but 4 of top 6 are Jrue, Derrick, JT, and JB. Luka is last with anyone over 23 minutes (1.08 miles at 37.7 minutes); among players with over 19 minutes only Josh Green (.87 in 22.2 minutes) and Tim Hardaway (.61 in 19.4 minutes) are behind him.

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Luka basically plays defense like a center without the rim protection. Bottom distance traveled below

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I just want this to end tonight both for selfish financial gain but also so we can get the “Airing of Grievances” thread going. I got a lot of shit to get off my chest about you fuckers!
 

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JB’s shots at the end of several games this series has been great.. end of game three he made several daggers.. the long fall away that basically ended the Dallas run was huge.

He’d have my vote so far in the series even as a Tatum fanboy. I think Tatum has obviously had huge contributions as well.. but JB has had almost all of the exclamation points.

Hope they win tonite.
I don't think it should be overlooked that Tatum has been asked to take on a different role - one that had the media getting him and which has probably challenged him as a player and a person more than we'll ever know - and with the exception of a few bumps in the road, he has done it. It's not the kind of stuff that wins you MVPs but it's needed to win.

(Just look at Luka in comparison.)
 

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I just want this to end tonight both for selfish financial gain but also so we can get the “Airing of Grievances” thread going. I got a lot of shit to get off my chest about you fuckers!
I really hope the Celtics' players just completely unload on the media when it's over.

I put JB's odds of doing that around 50-60%. He gives very few fucks right now.
 

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I really hope the Celtics' players just completely unload on the media when it's over.

I put JB's odds of doing that around 50-60%. He gives very few fucks right now.
I imagine Jaylen knows that the job of most in the national media is to get clicks and generate buzz. You don't do that by just picking the favorite and not offering counterpoints, no matter how ridiculous some might be.
 

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I imagine Jaylen knows that the job of most in the national media is to get clicks and generate buzz. You don't do that by just picking the favorite and not offering counterpoints, no matter how ridiculous some might be.
Jaylen clearly takes a lot of it very, very personally. The "players half as talented as me getting more recognition" comment was a pretty clear indicator.
 

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I really hope the Celtics' players just completely unload on the media when it's over.
I suspect they're going to do something much smarter -- say nothing. I think JB and JT are likely to both give milquetoast responses in the interviews they're obliged to do and otherwise disappear for the rest of the off-season. The worst thing they can do to the machine is refuse to fuel it.
 

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I really hope the Celtics' players just completely unload on the media when it's over.

I put JB's odds of doing that around 50-60%. He gives very few fucks right now.
He'll definitely let something slip. Tatum probably too. It won't be too inflammatory but it'll get the point across. How do you like me now, mfers? But I think they will do most of their venting while dousing themselves with champagne in the locker room with Joe, Brad and the rest of the org.
 

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I think this Janos thing has jumped the shark
Please. Janos is the best. I love it. I love everything about this run, including Janos.

I was just thinking, is Luka the inverse of Ben Simmons, in reality?

Super tall point guards, one all scoring and zero D, the other all D and zero scoring.
 

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One thing that I really noticed last night was how often Luka falls on the floor after his 3-pt attempts...not only does he usually end up complaining to the refs, but also even when he doesn't, he's extremely slow to get up.
Watch....he rarely seems to take a 3-pt shot with full balance. Even the one he made early in the 1st quarter in the corner where he was off balance and hopped around on one foot. It's like a combination of showboating gone bad and the need to always beg for a call.
If I were a Mavs fan, I'd be less concerned by his on-ball defense (which is already bad) but more by the number of times he's not even in the picture because he's too busy getting himself off the floor.
This is similar to what I've always said about Embiid, another great "big" player who spends way too much time dramatically flopping onto the floor. I've sometimes wondered if that ends up contributing to his aches and pains. Of course there are also conditioning similarities between the two.
 

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This is similar to what I've always said about Embiid, another great "big" player who spends way too much time dramatically flopping onto the floor. I've sometimes wondered if that ends up contributing to his aches and pains. Of course there are also conditioning similarities between the two.
I think it absolutely does. It's not fun falling on a basketball hardwood court. We've all probably taken a nasty spill or two on the court during our lifetimes along with plenty of lesser falls. And it takes extra effort going to the ground and getting yourself back up multiple times. And with fatigue a major issue for Embiid, he shouldn't be wasting energy.
 

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Na, moops is right. Janos hasn't been funny for awhile. When he was poasting more, it kept him sharper, and he iterated to better material.
 

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You haters game are wrong.

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