Mitchell,McConkey and Coleman-the BPA thread
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AD Mitchell. Ideal X receiver. Pairing him with Maye would be an outstanding one-two punch of a draft class.
Yeah the more I think about it the more I just stay at 34 and draft him.
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I was hoping Nate Wiggins would fall out of the first round... alas, Baltimore knows what they're doing. Pass on Kool-Aid.
I would be happy with any one of Coleman, McConkey, or Franklin at #2.
I would be happy with any one of Coleman, McConkey, or Franklin at #2.
I have heard more than enough talk about culture and medicals to give me pause about AD, particularly with Coleman, McConkey, and Franklin available too.
The lack of production with that athletic profile worries me a lot. But then again, I also think Quinn Ewers sucks, so I'm torn.
I think Buffalo is going DeJean or trading pick to someone that wants him. But if they go WR, I think they might go McConkey.
Is he? I'm not sure. I'd just like to see them lock down the C position and he seems like he could be a 10-year starter. Feels like a safe pick.
My ultimate preference would be trading back a few spots and snagging Suamataia.
I don't really like Mitchell (production and work ethic concerns), and I don't know that I want to spend 34 on a slot (Coleman, McConkey)... Troy Franklin would probably be my WR pick early 2nd.
going away from those positions... Newton, DeJean and JPJ are probably BPA to me.
I don't really like Mitchell (production and work ethic concerns), and I don't know that I want to spend 34 on a slot (Coleman, McConkey)... Troy Franklin would probably be my WR pick early 2nd.
going away from those positions... Newton, DeJean and JPJ are probably BPA to me.
Mr. Boring here: Paul, Kingsley, Kiran, Fisher, Rosengarten. My choice is Paul.
Would be fine with some kind of trade back up into the second to grab a WR or trading down within the 2nd from 34 to accumulate picks. Need tackle though
Love Franklin if they went WR here, but would rather tackle and grab a tier 3 receiver in the 3rd.
Would be fine with some kind of trade back up into the second to grab a WR or trading down within the 2nd from 34 to accumulate picks. Need tackle though
edit: just saw this. Agree completely. Can still target OT in the 40s and get a bonus pick somewhere from someone who's desperate somewhere else. Being at the top of day 2 is pretty awesome. Bet the phone has been ringing non-stop for hours now.
Love Franklin if they went WR here, but would rather tackle and grab a tier 3 receiver in the 3rd.
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Reports are that Powers-Johnson has had multiple serious concussions during his career. I'd pass.
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Just looked at his game log and YIKES. Only 3 games out of 14 with more than 3 catches. 47% of his yards came in 21% of his games. The "good" news is those 3 games were all against ranked teams. But Big 12 where they don't play defense.
He had worst in college football level yards per route run. But from the admitedly little I watched of him, he didn't seem like a bad route runner, so who knows what caused it (aside from the QB who struggles hitting the broad side of a barn past 10 yards).
Sumataia/Wilson would be a good 2/3 to me.
Kinda wish they'd traded up into the late first, one of Worthy/Guyton/Pearsall/Legette would look awfully good.
Kinda wish they'd traded up into the late first, one of Worthy/Guyton/Pearsall/Legette would look awfully good.
I think the King is the right pick here, but not sure you can go back and still get him or Paul. None of the other tackles have the physical & athletic profile of these two. Other teams are going to be aggressive.
Hot take - the Pats do move down to 41, pick up 126 and 202 from the Packers, then draft Kneeland. (The Pack are coming up to get DeJean who just feels like a Packer hero in the making.)
yeah I can definitely see the argument that Suamataia won't last. 41 is the spot I was looking at for tradedown as well.
Yes. I'd have to call my doctor in 4 hours if it works out this way.
Honestly, if it ends up Sumataia or Paul and Roman's gone, I'd be fine with someone in the 3rd not quite at Roman's level too like Corley or even Thrash.
Every single WR at this point has some sort of flaw.
Mitchell, it’s lack of production that matches the body, and maybe some focus issues.
Franklin BMI issue (another twig bitch we have 1 already - sorry “streamlined”)
McConkey good route runner, but again a BMI / not strong enough to fight through contact, and seems to be injured a lot.
Coleman some people saying he’s too slow off the line. Liked his highlights though.
We need a #1 WR, but not seeing a clear good choice.
Mitchell, it’s lack of production that matches the body, and maybe some focus issues.
Franklin BMI issue (another twig bitch we have 1 already - sorry “streamlined”)
McConkey good route runner, but again a BMI / not strong enough to fight through contact, and seems to be injured a lot.
Coleman some people saying he’s too slow off the line. Liked his highlights though.
We need a #1 WR, but not seeing a clear good choice.
I was going to ask which Wilson. Kingsley and Johnny Wilson would be great. Roman is too similar to what we already have. Has to be a tackle at 34. There will be receiving options at 68 plus theres still the trade for a receiver option (as much as I'm not sold on Aiyuk it's being floated.)
Without any knowledge of actual talent, just on concept:
If they view this as a 2 year rebuild (Jacoby our QB this year, so marginal improvement), which is just to start filling in offensive talent for Maye next year, I'd go for volume now. Trade the pick for two early threes, draft line help, and view the WR pool as mixed with those available next year with the 2 pick.
If they view this as a 2 year rebuild (Jacoby our QB this year, so marginal improvement), which is just to start filling in offensive talent for Maye next year, I'd go for volume now. Trade the pick for two early threes, draft line help, and view the WR pool as mixed with those available next year with the 2 pick.
My thoughts exactly. And if they trade down too far and somebody jumps them for Suamataia, Paul would be a perfectly fine substitute.
It is frustrating that the Patriots have a top of the round pick for the first time in forever but have a draft year that has been mostly offense. Their three positions of need were 19 of the first round picks. Seven WRs and six OTs off the board. The only outsized value now arguably is defense.
Is one of the tackles left a plug and play? Doesn’t seem like it.
Trading seems like the move if we can find someone who really wants DeJean or one of the other guys enough to pony up. I guess I would be moderately hopeful/excited about Mitchell.
Do any of the teams that drafted OTs have serviceable vets that now might be available for trade?
Is one of the tackles left a plug and play? Doesn’t seem like it.
Trading seems like the move if we can find someone who really wants DeJean or one of the other guys enough to pony up. I guess I would be moderately hopeful/excited about Mitchell.
Do any of the teams that drafted OTs have serviceable vets that now might be available for trade?
The depth at key positions helps the Patriots to me.... like most years Suamataia probably goes in the 20s, same for some of the WRs.
I think this is what they try and do. I know a lot of people like AM, but his production/efficiency stats seem like giant red flags.
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I don't know, but looking at the guys taken, the only one I saw usually available to NE in mock drafts was Morgan, and he profiles more as a OG. So, it looks like the OT market in the draft is about what could be expected.
I think the Pats still could use another elite corner, and wouldn't be stunned if they picked DeJean if he's still there at 34. Stopping all these great WRs is still pretty important. It would give them a really nice group of corners.
Well if Sum is really an arguable first round talent, I guess you don’t screw around and maybe just take him. We have receivers — such as they are — and with cap space can probably find someone somehow when the dust settles. LTs don’t grow on trees and we can’t start the year with what we have.
Very few tackles outside the top half of the draft are ever plug and play at LT, even RT. A couple of the experienced guys in the later part will possibly start at OG.
I think you take the guy you think will be the best LT long-term. Okorafor is a competent NFL tackle, he'll never be a star, but he was a decent starter for the Steelers for several years.
I think you take the guy you think will be the best LT long-term. Okorafor is a competent NFL tackle, he'll never be a star, but he was a decent starter for the Steelers for several years.
I really like DeJean as a matchup piece they could play all over, if there's still a lot of Bill in the defensive philosophy and coaching he'll be under heavy consideration at 34. Wouldn't mind it either, though I'd rather a receiver.
I remember when the Pats dragged Ras Dowling at the top of round 2 and a reporter asked BB about some of the player’s question marks and injury history. Bill’s response, to paraphrase, was that if a player has no question marks, he’s probably the first pick in the draft. It’s all about risk, reward, and coaching up - more and more as the rounds go by. I’m in favor of staying put to get Kingsley or Paul, guys with the tools to be high quality tackles. They’re the last 2 who profile like that.
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One of the interesting things about the Belichick coverage last night was when Payton was on and said he missed having guys like Belichick around on draft day, because it is nice to have guys you can rely on to give you a straight fair trade deal quickly. He seemed to be saying that the younger guys hand wring and are not decisive. Having the overnight is good after round one for teams to really see where they are and to have longer conversations, but it seemed like Payton was saying nobody wants to wheel and deal any more.
That to me sounded like sour grapes that they couldn't move up. There are lots of trades now, I think what has gone away is the idea of a shared set value for picks, like I think the charts are basically done now.
Yeah, I think guys are operating under completely different parameters regarding the value of draft picks and Payton probably misses people who spoke his language and made deals easier.
I think that Roman and Franklin aren't getting enough love here. Sure, we'd love our WR prospects to run 4.3 @ 6'3" 225, but those guys don't go #50, they go #5.
Both of these guys are super fast, run plenty of routes, have great hands, and are twitchy AF. We need that. IMO there are still a number of legit Xs left. They don't all have to be megatron.
Both of these guys are super fast, run plenty of routes, have great hands, and are twitchy AF. We need that. IMO there are still a number of legit Xs left. They don't all have to be megatron.
I was thinking Roman, but I'd double dip on Wilson's and go Johnny in the 4th.
I came into the draft hoping we would move up into the end of the first for AD. Coverage raised production flags and I hoped we’d move up for Guyton or Legette — they seem like better fits.
Now I’m hoping we take DeJean. If not, I hope we move back a few spots and target a tackle. Hopefully we can then get Devontez Walker in R3. He would be a great development prospect given his comfort with Maye.
Now I’m hoping we take DeJean. If not, I hope we move back a few spots and target a tackle. Hopefully we can then get Devontez Walker in R3. He would be a great development prospect given his comfort with Maye.
Adonai by a factor of five. He's what we need. If he goes to Buffalo, I would either take McKinstry or DeJean or preferably trade down and collect picks next year or in the third. I think there's a ton of WR value later and good tackle value in the third. Something like Malachi Corley, Patrick Paul and Troy Franklin would be spectacular. Take two receivers and give it a shot. So - Coleman - too slow. McConkey - too slot focused. Take a guy that can take the top off the defense.
I think you can also throw some later round darts at WRs. Guys like Corley, A. Smith, McCaffrey, Thrash, McMillan, Washington, Means...I'd rather they prioritized the line.
There's a lot of talent at WR and it's a key need so that's what they should do at 34. The way y'all are talking about it though, are those high 2nd round picks not as valuable as they used to be? I remember BB saying he used to consider them the best value in the draft.
That said, if they feel DeJean, Newton, or Koolaid is the beez neez then I won't be too upset.
There's no OT graded high enough to take at 34 and even if they trade down how much draft capital are they really gonna get in return?
HOMER ALERT: But if they want to get help protecting the edges, they could take a look at AJ Barner (or more generally inline TE prospects with +run blocking) later on.
TL;DR - Take a WR. There's lots of good ones left and good scouting should yield a productive starter.
That said, if they feel DeJean, Newton, or Koolaid is the beez neez then I won't be too upset.
There's no OT graded high enough to take at 34 and even if they trade down how much draft capital are they really gonna get in return?
HOMER ALERT: But if they want to get help protecting the edges, they could take a look at AJ Barner (or more generally inline TE prospects with +run blocking) later on.
TL;DR - Take a WR. There's lots of good ones left and good scouting should yield a productive starter.
Word. There will be real Xs at the top of the third and even some college Xs/pro Zs that can get deep too. Hell, even a truly dynamic slot would improve this offense materially, though I'm biased towards getting a guy who can stretch the field and improve the opportunities for the flotsam we already have. We were far too easy to defend last year.
So here is to an extent my concern about WR.... a lot of the best guys left are slots... McConkey is a slot, I think Coleman (despite his size) is a slot OR they have significant concerns/similarities to guys they have... Mitchell has effort, attitude, production and medical concerns, Troy Franklin is built like Tyquan Thornton and has iffy hands.
The Patriots need a #1 WR, and X WR... they actually have quite a few of these slot/Z guys (Bourne, Osborn, Douglas,Juju). I think OT is a bigger need, and one that you could reasonably fill in the 2nd (Suamataia is reasonable at 34.. mocked anywhere from the 20s to the 40s most places), and guys like Paul, maybe even Fisher are 2/3 round guys.
Then at 68 (or trading into the late 2nd) you start to have some guys like Javon Baker, Johny Wilson who also have concerns, but are X type WRs.
TL: DR- the Patriots don't need "a WR" they need particular types of WRs, and they might be able to get a similar risk/reward profile for that type of WR in the 3rd where other positions like OT, the risk/reward calculus in the 2nd may well be better.
I watched a lot of McConkey at UGA. I don't understand people calling him "just a slot receiver". The Dawgs lined him up all over the field and he gets open against every type of coverage. He could have a Nacua type of immediate impact and the comparisons to Antonio Brown in terms of skillset seem on the money to me. I'd be thrilled if the Pats took him.
I'm hoping for Paul or McConkey but prefer the latter.
McConkey is not a pure slot he is the same size and more athletic than Garret Wilson. He might not have Wilson's catch radius but has better short area quickness. You don't want McConkey lined up against press but he is the perfect Z receiver as someone that can stay on the field for all downs. Injury concerns are valid but the production when on the field is elite. I think McConkey has an insanely high floor and still has a very high ceiling among what is left at WR. He is a plug and play WR day 1. Roman Wilson is probably the only other WR left on the board you can say that confidently about and McConkey is a better version of Roman across the board.
McConkey is not a pure slot he is the same size and more athletic than Garret Wilson. He might not have Wilson's catch radius but has better short area quickness. You don't want McConkey lined up against press but he is the perfect Z receiver as someone that can stay on the field for all downs. Injury concerns are valid but the production when on the field is elite. I think McConkey has an insanely high floor and still has a very high ceiling among what is left at WR. He is a plug and play WR day 1. Roman Wilson is probably the only other WR left on the board you can say that confidently about and McConkey is a better version of Roman across the board.
We need WR (giant hole at X), LT, and if we have extra picks a TE would be nice.
Sanders reminds me (and many who watched him) of Njoku. It wouldn't surprise me to see them go after him especially if they have an additional pick. That being said it's probably WR and OT on day 2.
Who best fits the bill?
Offensive Tackle:
The only tackle on consensus boards around pick 34 is Suamataia (42nd on Arif's).
Suamataia is the Drake Maye (sort of) of tackles. He has so much to work on technique wise. People are all over the place on him. I am lower on him than consensus. He is though a relatively high ceiling guy with the requisite size and athleticism and length to play LT. He is young too. He can play LT or RT. Sua isn't starting year 1 most likely. If they want to bet on a young athletic guy and "traits" then take him at 34. They brought Sua in for a top 30 visit. I think Sua fits the Packer way.
Most of the other OTs they would be interested in as potential starters are probably there at 68 or close to it: Patrick Paul, Kiran Amegadjie, Blake Fisher, Brandon Coleman, and Roger Rosengarten. They might have to trade up for Paul.
Wide Receiver:
They have already talked to Troy Franklin (top 30). He is also a candidate for the pick at 34. Javon Baker is a nice fit too but he is probably available at 68 or even day 3. They also brought Baker in for a top 30. It seems like they want someone able to win on the outside.
AD Mitchell isn't really a culture fit. It's trendy to pare a college WR with his QB but Walker is more of a round 3-4 guy. I love Johnny Wilson but he isn't for everyone and his worst trait is reaching for balls behind him which is a Drake Maye special!
Keon Coleman is one of my favorites but is he a good pairing with Drake Maye? To me he is more of Tee Higgins replacement for Joe Burrow. It could work but it is a risk!
If I had to guess I think they go Suamataia and Baker.
I would go Franklin at 34, Paul at 68, and Baker in round 4 if he is there. That would be a ridiculously good draft.
(I debated saying Coleman there - I might go Coleman vs Franklin).
I like Ladd but he isn't an X. He's a slot or a Z. He is not as good of a prospect as Coleman or Franklin imo. I think Kool-Aid is super overrated for multiple reasons but he also has attitude and effort concerns. JPJ has a concussion history. Stick to the script and go OT or WR.
Sanders reminds me (and many who watched him) of Njoku. It wouldn't surprise me to see them go after him especially if they have an additional pick. That being said it's probably WR and OT on day 2.
Who best fits the bill?
Offensive Tackle:
The only tackle on consensus boards around pick 34 is Suamataia (42nd on Arif's).
Suamataia is the Drake Maye (sort of) of tackles. He has so much to work on technique wise. People are all over the place on him. I am lower on him than consensus. He is though a relatively high ceiling guy with the requisite size and athleticism and length to play LT. He is young too. He can play LT or RT. Sua isn't starting year 1 most likely. If they want to bet on a young athletic guy and "traits" then take him at 34. They brought Sua in for a top 30 visit. I think Sua fits the Packer way.
Most of the other OTs they would be interested in as potential starters are probably there at 68 or close to it: Patrick Paul, Kiran Amegadjie, Blake Fisher, Brandon Coleman, and Roger Rosengarten. They might have to trade up for Paul.
Wide Receiver:
They have already talked to Troy Franklin (top 30). He is also a candidate for the pick at 34. Javon Baker is a nice fit too but he is probably available at 68 or even day 3. They also brought Baker in for a top 30. It seems like they want someone able to win on the outside.
AD Mitchell isn't really a culture fit. It's trendy to pare a college WR with his QB but Walker is more of a round 3-4 guy. I love Johnny Wilson but he isn't for everyone and his worst trait is reaching for balls behind him which is a Drake Maye special!
Keon Coleman is one of my favorites but is he a good pairing with Drake Maye? To me he is more of Tee Higgins replacement for Joe Burrow. It could work but it is a risk!
If I had to guess I think they go Suamataia and Baker.
I would go Franklin at 34, Paul at 68, and Baker in round 4 if he is there. That would be a ridiculously good draft.
(I debated saying Coleman there - I might go Coleman vs Franklin).
I like Ladd but he isn't an X. He's a slot or a Z. He is not as good of a prospect as Coleman or Franklin imo. I think Kool-Aid is super overrated for multiple reasons but he also has attitude and effort concerns. JPJ has a concussion history. Stick to the script and go OT or WR.
