Minihane vs. Andrews

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I don't live in the Boston market but I do listen to podcasts of WEEI regularly.  I like D&C's interviews.  I also like Mike Francessa's interviews, for that matter.  I don't like any of them on their own, but they have a knack for asking questions and eliciting good conversation.  My point is that I have some limited exposure to Minihane through that vehicle.
 
Based on that and for other reasons, I think the hysteria around this issue is way overblown.  He may be a bad guy.  Probably is.  But most of what he said is true.  Erin Andrews does suck.  If she wasn't pretty, she would not have this job,  She wouldn't have replaced the hard to looki at but more talented Pam Oliver if not for her looks and weight.  Now "bitch" is a dumbass word, especially in 2014, and the waitress line was idiotic too. 
 
But I hate PC much more than I hate these comments, and the notion that people are boycotting that show over this is foolish to me.  Minhane made a mistake.  He admitted it in a clumsy way.  Move on.  I thought about joining Traut's group so I could write just this, but I didn't want to be a turd in the punch bowl and decided just to post here instead.  So back to where I started, I really enjoy the D&C/Brady conversations, even though Tom rarely says much that's off script, and therefore hope he and his handlers ignore Traut's page.
 
The concept of "political correctness" has become tortured into a defense for almost any comment from the merely impolite to those that reek of barely concealed racial or sexist animus or ignorance. Punching me in the face for calling your wife a "fat gross pig" is *not* PC run amok. Giving Minihane a hard time or his comments is also not a "PC" issue.
 
For the 8000th time....if he wanted to say she was no good at her job, or that the job is a waste of time that detracts from the broadcast, I'm all in. IMO there are no "good" sideline reporters, i.e., those that add something to the broadcast. And its not wrong to suggest that men and women's appearance are calculated differently by TV executives. But Minihane went beyond that.
 
It is possible to look at Minihane's comments as a "mistake." Just as it is possible to look at the "METCO gorilla" comments as a "mistake." The first time.  But after calling her a bitch, it's difficult to give him any benefit of the doubt about the "waitress" comment.  Yeah, it was idiotic. But he was also demeaning because she's a woman, which is the very definition of sexist.  It's one step short (maybe a half-step) of saying "show your tits or get back into the kitchen, dearie, 'cuz that's all you got."  Maybe he's just trolling for ratings.  Or maybe he's just completely clueless. That doesn;t matter; he deserves whatever shit people can hurl at him.
 
No offense to you intended, but "the PC reaction bothers me more than the comments" is a cop-out. If Minihane were being carpet-bombed for using the term "blacks" instead of "African American", *that* is PC run amok -- looking for some "-ism" when it obviously isn't there.  Or if you say to a group of women, "c'mon guys, lets get going."  This isn't that.
 
Criticizing him, calling for discipline, hoping that Brady, in the name of his sisters, avoids D & C altogether, is not a "PC reaction." 
 

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The concept of "political correctness" has become tortured into a defense for almost any comment from the merely impolite to those that reek of barely concealed racial or sexist animus or ignorance. Punching me in the face for calling your wife a "fat gross pig" is *not* PC run amok. Giving Minihane a hard time or his comments is also not a "PC" issue.
 
For the 8000th time....if he wanted to say she was no good at her job, or that the job is a waste of time that detracts from the broadcast, I'm all in. IMO there are no "good" sideline reporters, i.e., those that add something to the broadcast. And its not wrong to suggest that men and women's appearance are calculated differently by TV executives. But Minihane went beyond that.
 
It is possible to look at Minihane's comments as a "mistake." Just as it is possible to look at the "METCO gorilla" comments as a "mistake." The first time.  But after calling her a bitch, it's difficult to give him any benefit of the doubt about the "waitress" comment.  Yeah, it was idiotic. But he was also demeaning because she's a woman, which is the very definition of sexist.  It's one step short (maybe a half-step) of saying "show your tits or get back into the kitchen, dearie, 'cuz that's all you got."  Maybe he's just trolling for ratings.  Or maybe he's just completely clueless. That doesn;t matter; he deserves whatever shit people can hurl at him.
 
No offense to you intended, but "the PC reaction bothers me more than the comments" is a cop-out. If Minihane were being carpet-bombed for using the term "blacks" instead of "African American", *that* is PC run amok -- looking for some "-ism" when it obviously isn't there.  Or if you say to a group of women, "c'mon guys, lets get going."  This isn't that.
 
Criticizing him, calling for discipline, hoping that Brady, in the name of his sisters, avoids D & C altogether, is not a "PC reaction." 
PC was a clumsy term.  You are correct.
 
What I meant was that he said something that many people don't agree with or find offensive.  I'd rather that people not lose their jobs or have their programs boycotted over that broad category.  Sure, there are lines that get crossed when a person just needs to be removed.  On a "know it when you see it" basis, I don't perceive Minihane, or even that homophobe Dungy, to have crossed it.  But for me, that line is much further away than I suspect it is for most people, as I have a lot of tolerance for speech that is way off what I think is correct, appropriate or otherwise offensive. 
 

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Its a matter of what standards we hold him to?  "shock jocks" like Howard Stern use far more inappropriate language (I guess, though I have never listened to them).  So, is it the language?  If so, I would need to see 50 guys fired ahead of Minnihane.
 
It seems that the broader attack is that his language belies a sexist attitude:  it was a "slip" that revealed his darker thoughts.   If so, I would challenge the notion that he is a sexist and holds sexist beliefs.  A couple of points in trying to discern the purity or enlightenment, Minnihane's bio suggests no old-fashioned views of women.  I believe his wife is a professional who was the primary bread winner.  His other views don't suggest bigotry or otehr sexism.  And his stance -- that it is a shame that sideline reporters are chosen based on their looks -- is hardly against women's lib.  So, if people are trying to punish him based on what people want to believe about his views, then I suggest that they need a lot more evidence than him being "edgy" by calling her a bitch and that she should die, which he recognized as being over the top before he finished the thought.
 
And if we are going down the road of enlightened thoughts, fire Musberger and every reporter/analyst who comments on the women's physical appearance.  Then head over to the Heidi Whatney thread when she was hired, where some of the "enlightened" posters leading the crusade against Minnihane contributed that they were thrilled that a beauty queen with no discernable journalistic skills got the job.  Between a guy who complains about Andrews' skills and getting a job only based on her looks, and people who are thrilled that a sideline reporter got a job because she looks good, I would reach some conclusions about which advances women's causes.
 
So, we come back to point 1, and that is that we are trying to fire him based on one word that he quickly retracted, when that word is used thousands of times on the radio.  If that is the position, then just add the word to the banned list that can't be used.
 
Edit:  relating it to Dungy, I think being able to conclude his true thoughts is far easier with Dungy.  Even then, as long as he is not in a position to act, I don't care about his views.  If he were running a team and denied Sam a chance, that's bad.  But I am a firm believer that words can virtually never be offensive.  The offensive part would be if they make you like the speaker less because it reveals their shortcomings as an enlightened person.  I see that with Dungy, who can't change even if it cost him his son.   I am far, far away from that point with Minnihane.  I see D&C as shallow right wingers, but that doesn't deter my listening to them, because I can filter out the crap I don't believe in.
 

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Since WEEI is again refusing to take any action about Minihane's comments, I'll reiterate that people would probably less up in arms about the whole matter if he had to face some consequences.  Unfortunately, it's just business as usual over there.
 

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PC was a clumsy term.  You are correct.
 
What I meant was that he said something that many people don't agree with or find offensive.  I'd rather that people not lose their jobs or have their programs boycotted over that broad category.  Sure, there are lines that get crossed when a person just needs to be removed.  On a "know it when you see it" basis, I don't perceive Minihane, or even that homophobe Dungy, to have crossed it.  But for me, that line is much further away than I suspect it is for most people, as I have a lot of tolerance for speech that is way off what I think is correct, appropriate or otherwise offensive. 
 
Fair enough. Some line are clearer than others for differing numbers of people.
 
Its a matter of what standards we hold him to? "shock jocks" like Howard Stern use far more inappropriate language (I guess, though I have never listened to them). So, is it the language? If so, I would need to see 50 guys fired ahead of Minnihane.
 
It seems that the broader attack is that his language belies a sexist attitude: it was a "slip" that revealed his darker thoughts. If so, I would challenge the notion that he is a sexist and holds sexist beliefs. A couple of points in trying to discern the purity or enlightenment, Minnihane's bio suggests no old-fashioned views of women. I believe his wife is a professional who was the primary bread winner. His other views don't suggest bigotry or otehr sexism. And his stance -- that it is a shame that sideline reporters are chosen based on their looks -- is hardly against women's lib. So, if people are trying to punish him based on what people want to believe about his views, then I suggest that they need a lot more evidence than him being "edgy" by calling her a bitch and that she should die, which he recognized as being over the top before he finished the thought.
 
And if we are going down the road of enlightened thoughts, fire Musberger and every reporter/analyst who comments on the women's physical appearance. Then head over to the Heidi Whatney thread when she was hired, where some of the "enlightened" posters leading the crusade against Minnihane contributed that they were thrilled that a beauty queen with no discernable journalistic skills got the job. Between a guy who complains about Andrews' skills and getting a job only based on her looks, and people who are thrilled that a sideline reporter got a job because she looks good, I would reach some conclusions about which advances women's causes.
So, we come back to point 1, and that is that we are trying to fire him based on one word that he quickly retracted, when that word is used thousands of times on the radio. If that is the position, then just add the word to the banned list that can't be used.
 
 
 
It's not a question of commenting on physical appearance. And in this case, it's not even a question of pointing out that physical appearance plays a role in hiring/firing w/r/t Andrews and Oliver.  That is a very important topic of discussion. But its a discussion that Minihane failed to pull off or derailed through his own failure.
 
I'll assume that Minihane's "heart is pure" (for lack of a better term).  And while he may have apologized for "bitch" he did an end-run around his own apology with the waitress comment, which, again, to me, was akin to "back in the kitchen, woman." YMMV on that.
 
I don't think its firing worthy. But its negative-reaction-worthy.  For a different reason, Musberger's ogling of a college student (i have to admit i still havent seen it) is probably worthy of some opprobrium directed in his direction. That's a different discussion, in the vein of catcalls, staring and the like are NOT considered flattering by 90% of their targets.
 
IMO, with the context of some pretty hostile comments (die; bitch), even though he apologized for them, the waitress comment is really, really inappropriate, (whether one considers it to be "sexist" or not) and in the context in which he made it, it deserves some sort of response. 
 
It's not a question of banning words. There's no ban on the word n**g*r.  Praphrasing Louis Brandeis, sunlight remains the best disinfectant. 
 
 
(FWIW--I'm pretty sure that I've never used Watney's or Dell's looks as a reason to overlook what I saw as their incompetence/uselessness. So at least I'm being consistent. [/hobgoblin of simple minds])
 

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Its a matter of what standards we hold him to?  "shock jocks" like Howard Stern use far more inappropriate language (I guess, though I have never listened to them).  So, is it the language?  If so, I would need to see 50 guys fired ahead of Minnihane.
 
It seems that the broader attack is that his language belies a sexist attitude:  it was a "slip" that revealed his darker thoughts.   If so, I would challenge the notion that he is a sexist and holds sexist beliefs.  A couple of points in trying to discern the purity or enlightenment, Minnihane's bio suggests no old-fashioned views of women.  I believe his wife is a professional who was the primary bread winner.  His other views don't suggest bigotry or otehr sexism.  And his stance -- that it is a shame that sideline reporters are chosen based on their looks -- is hardly against women's lib.  So, if people are trying to punish him based on what people want to believe about his views, then I suggest that they need a lot more evidence than him being "edgy" by calling her a bitch and that she should die, which he recognized as being over the top before he finished the thought.
 
And if we are going down the road of enlightened thoughts, fire Musberger and every reporter/analyst who comments on the women's physical appearance.  Then head over to the Heidi Whatney thread when she was hired, where some of the "enlightened" posters leading the crusade against Minnihane contributed that they were thrilled that a beauty queen with no discernable journalistic skills got the job.  Between a guy who complains about Andrews' skills and getting a job only based on her looks, and people who are thrilled that a sideline reporter got a job because she looks good, I would reach some conclusions about which advances women's causes.
 
So, we come back to point 1, and that is that we are trying to fire him based on one word that he quickly retracted, when that word is used thousands of times on the radio.  If that is the position, then just add the word to the banned list that can't be used.
 
Edit:  relating it to Dungy, I think being able to conclude his true thoughts is far easier with Dungy.  Even then, as long as he is not in a position to act, I don't care about his views.  If he were running a team and denied Sam a chance, that's bad.  But I am a firm believer that words can virtually never be offensive.  The offensive part would be if they make you like the speaker less because it reveals their shortcomings as an enlightened person.  I see that with Dungy, who can't change even if it cost him his son.   I am far, far away from that point with Minnihane.  I see D&C as shallow right wingers, but that doesn't deter my listening to them, because I can filter out the crap I don't believe in.
 
You're missing the point. Everyone can make a mistake, maybe Minihane didn't mean to call Andrews a "bitch" as he worked himself up in a lather over the unpardonable sin of not taking Adam Wainright to task in the middle of an exhibition game*. It's that he doubled-down on his "tough guy" persona after he apologized. Why go to the "if she added 15 pounds, she'd be a waitress" thing? To show that you're still a tough guy? Because he's not. He's in Boston with two other morons, talking crap about someone who is more well-known, is arguably more successful than he is. What's the point. You know he wouldn't say that to her face.
 
* The last time a sideline reporter took the tough guy act was Jim Gray when he went after Pete Rose about betting when MLB announced the All-Century Team and there was a hue and cry from the media lambasting Gray for trying to turn the event into something it wasn't meant to be. So, you can't win.
 
I think that the bigger question is why is Erin Andrews a "bitch"? Because she's pretty? Because she's a side-line reporter? Because a network executive found her attractive to put on the sidelines? The job of a side-line reporter is pretty dumb and we all know that nothing has ever really been learned from an in-game interview with a player or coach. So going after Erin Andrews for being a sideline reporter is lowest-common denominator stuff. It's so god damn easy, it's embarrassing. "Oooh Erin Andrews is hot AND she's a sideline reporter AND she's blonde -- what a bitch!" Really? This is what we to hear?
 
The Mussberger thing and the Andrews comments aren't equivalent. Mussberger was praising that woman for being beautiful (she was, BTW), Minihane is saying that Andrews' looks should be held against her for some unknown reason. That's a big difference.
 
In the end it won't matter, Minihane got his 15 minutes of fame, D&C received a little bump and in two months one of those morons will say something stupid again. Also, I would bet that D&C don't see themselves as "shock jocks", they would probably say that's "Toucher and Rich". Though T&R have never been suspended despite their shock-jocky-y ways.
 

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Its a matter of what standards we hold him to?  "shock jocks" like Howard Stern use far more inappropriate language (I guess, though I have never listened to them).  So, is it the language?  If so, I would need to see 50 guys fired ahead of Minnihane.
 
It seems that the broader attack is that his language belies a sexist attitude:  it was a "slip" that revealed his darker thoughts.   If so, I would challenge the notion that he is a sexist and holds sexist beliefs.  A couple of points in trying to discern the purity or enlightenment, Minnihane's bio suggests no old-fashioned views of women.  I believe his wife is a professional who was the primary bread winner.  His other views don't suggest bigotry or otehr sexism.  And his stance -- that it is a shame that sideline reporters are chosen based on their looks -- is hardly against women's lib.  So, if people are trying to punish him based on what people want to believe about his views, then I suggest that they need a lot more evidence than him being "edgy" by calling her a bitch and that she should die, which he recognized as being over the top before he finished the thought.
 
And if we are going down the road of enlightened thoughts, fire Musberger and every reporter/analyst who comments on the women's physical appearance.  Then head over to the Heidi Whatney thread when she was hired, where some of the "enlightened" posters leading the crusade against Minnihane contributed that they were thrilled that a beauty queen with no discernable journalistic skills got the job.  Between a guy who complains about Andrews' skills and getting a job only based on her looks, and people who are thrilled that a sideline reporter got a job because she looks good, I would reach some conclusions about which advances women's causes.
 
So, we come back to point 1, and that is that we are trying to fire him based on one word that he quickly retracted, when that word is used thousands of times on the radio.  If that is the position, then just add the word to the banned list that can't be used.
 
Edit:  relating it to Dungy, I think being able to conclude his true thoughts is far easier with Dungy.  Even then, as long as he is not in a position to act, I don't care about his views.  If he were running a team and denied Sam a chance, that's bad.  But I am a firm believer that words can virtually never be offensive.  The offensive part would be if they make you like the speaker less because it reveals their shortcomings as an enlightened person.  I see that with Dungy, who can't change even if it cost him his son.   I am far, far away from that point with Minnihane.  I see D&C as shallow right wingers, but that doesn't deter my listening to them, because I can filter out the crap I don't believe in.
 
Steve or should I call you Kirk, do you honestly believe that when he comes back and suggests if she gains 15lbs she would be a waitress at a 4th rate restaurant chain that he isn't being sexist?  Not to mention if she put on 15lbs she would probably only look better than she does today.
 
To take any posters in the Heidi Watney thread to task for applauding the hiring of eye candy is also ridiculous.  Who said you need to have a strong journalistic background to be a sideline reporter?  They are there as much to break up the monotony of the broadcast as they are to provide insight.
 
If Kirk isn't a sexist pig in real life then he is a fake sexist pig on the show.  I'm not sure which is worse.  Of course this is the most anyone has talked about D&C and EEI in years so I wouldn't be surprised to find out this was all planned.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.
 

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I think most people are spot on in this thread. I hate the instant apology culture that we live in today, and I hate that people can't voice any dissenting opinion without being lambasted.
 
But when someone steps over the line, a lambasting is appropriate. Minihane deserves all the criticism he gets.
 
Almost everyone agrees with Minihanes core point. Erin Andrews is pretty, isn't a great interviewer, and has her job because she's attractive. (Really? A sideline reporter? No wayyyz!)
 
Some people may agree shes gutless. She asks vanilla questions (Really? A sideline reporter? No wayyyz!). The irony of that shows through when D&C have radio spots with guests they fawn over. Regardless, maybe she is gutless.
 
But unless Minihane has had some personal interaction with her, how would he know shes a bitch? Oh. He wouldn't. So he's not using the term in the one moderately passable form (essentially, "she's an asshole"), but instead is just using the word to denigrate her. Or hes assuming shes an asshole because shes attractive, which is also sexist.
 
So, all is forgiven when he apologizes (or it isn't). He then doubles down by saying she'd be a waitress if she was 15 pounds heavier. I get it. She's dumb and she's fat (she wouldn't be, but lets pretend he even meant to say 50 pounds heavier). Notice, though, how he didn't say the other trillion jobs stupid/fat people can do? She wasn't a convenient store clerk, pizza delivery driver, Walmart greeter...she's a waitress.
 
Ya know. Because she's a woman. And that's important here.
 
Fuck Minihane. I was on board with him early on in the show. I was on board right up until he sat in the drivers seat when D&C were away on vacation (he was pretty terrible on his own), then I was skeptical. I'm not skeptical anymore. I'm pretty sure he's irreparably broken.
 

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 is arguably more successful than he is
 
 
While I agree with everything else you said, it would take one hell of an argument to say Minihane is more successful than EA.  She probably pays more in taxes than KM makes a year in gross income.
 

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While I agree with everything else you said, it would take one hell of an argument to say Minihane is more successful than EA.  She probably pays more in taxes than KM makes a year in gross income.
 
That's true. But you could say that Minihane has more intellectual freedom than Andrews does. He gets to talk or write about what he wants every day, while Andrews has to be a sideline reporter. And you could also argue (at least you could) that Minihane has more legitimacy than Andrews does. Even if it's just New England and NESN subscribers, there is a certain sliver of the population who gives a shit what Minhane feels about a topic. I'm not sure if you could say that about Andrews.
 
Of course, Andrews hasn't really been given the same opportunity that Minihane has, so maybe it's all moot.
 

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And you could also argue (at least you could) that Minihane has more legitimacy than Andrews does. 
 
No, you can't. Not after D&C&M admitted to playing "characters" on the radio. 
 
Ergo, he has no legitimacy whatsoever.
 

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That's why I put "at least you could" in parenthesis, insinuating that you probably couldn't do that any more.
 
Only WaxPack could make that argument. 
 
Which makes your point. Objection withdrawn.
 

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There is definitely a way to mount a defense of Minihane, intellectually. It could in theory be a worthy exercise to find a path through his words that don't call for some kind of consequence. Parsing every word of every statement for objective truth, questioning the radio character he's playing to the extent it exists, trying to equate this with similar incidents, or through a cultural lens like "PC", or "outrage culture" or "gender politics" (to name just a few). I know I'm prone to thinking this way, probably to a fault - trying to contextualize and understand before judging, trying to account for nuance, trying hard to imagine perspectives other than my own.

Anyway, screw that. I'm rooting so hard for the collapse of D&C (with a little professional humiliation along the way, if possible) that no matter how many ways there might be to understand this situation, I have no interest in exploring them. The idea that this could help hasten the end of that show is all I need to know to make up my mind. The world will be better when they're gone.

(The fact that they're pretty terrible things to say makes it easy, too.)
 

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FWIW, and probably nothing, I started a Facebook group urging Brady to stop appearing. Brady's interviews help keep these guys on the air. They'll love the press, they'll love KO - until they start losing high profile guests. 
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/672270156182384/?fref=nf
 
If you really want this to happen, you should suggest it to Andrews's publicist.  I bet if Erin asked, Brady (and others) would stop with the interviews. 
 

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Fred and Kirk,are almost in a full on sportsdebate right now on twitter
Wow, you're not kidding. This has devolved into an all-out media on media shit throwing contest with D&C+Minihane taking a beating on all fronts: 98.5 TSH, the Globe/Boston.com (ripping D&C+M all over their homepage right now), Deadspin, Fox Sports, Olbermann, et al. Even NESN and the Herald have seemingly jumped ship.

I find it interesting that no one else at WEEI seems willing to mount much of a defense on their behalf, at least not publicly. This would have been a publicity wet dream for Jason Wolfe, not so sure the new Entercom brass running 'EEI will see it that way when all's said and done however.
 

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Wow, you're not kidding. This has devolved into an all-out media on media shit throwing contest with D&C+Minihane taking a beating on all fronts: 98.5 TSH, the Globe/Boston.com (ripping D&C+M all over their homepage right now), Deadspin, Fox Sports, Olbermann, et al. Even NESN and the Herald have seemingly jumped ship.

I find it interesting that no one else at WEEI seems willing to mount much of a defense on their behalf, at least not publicly. This would have been a publicity wet dream for Jason Wolfe, not so sure the new Entercom brass running 'EEI will see it that way when all's said and done however.
 
a drone strike on all involved would make life even better.
 

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Not defending him in the slightest, but would the backlash be nearly as big if we swapped Ken Rosenthal with Erin Andrews and Minihane called him a gutless douche (or dick, or whatever the male equivlent or being a "bitch" is)? Probably not right? His words having a heavy sexist edge towards them probably had a lot more damage than the words themselves.
 
Erin Andrews, fwiw, is imo, a fairly average sideline reporter. For me, some sideline reporters are better then others, but in reality, their position isn't really important enough to have a great impact on my viewing experience for the most part. The thing that is interesting to me about Andrews, and I don't really hold this against her, is that she her career skyrocketed after the stalking incident. Before those videos circulated online, she was a bottom pole sideline reporter for ESPN, appearing on Thursday Night CFB games and early afternoon Big Ten games. After the incident, she appeared on Dancing with the Stars, got a gig on Good Morning America, signed an endorsment deal with Reebok, and got a big leap in the company, probably leap frogging over more talented and deserving reporters.
 
Anyways, yeah, Minihane deserves his fate, and I hope D&C (no longer appearing on NESN) gets the boot. They got rid of Ordway and brought back Dale for Dale and Holly in the afternoon, which I'm a big fan of, so hopefully they can use this as an opportunity to improve.
 

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re: gammons. It looks like everyone with an EEI connection was forced to re-tweet the link today. Sad.
 
Really? Isn't Gammons only on TSH though? He used to appear on Toucher and Rich.
 

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I think since ESPN Radio merged with them, its a different deal. I have noticed today that a lot of EEI folks with high-profile twitter feeds have re-tweeted it. Mike Petraglia's re-tweet looks exactly like Gammons', right down to the inclusion of the word "general," which is in the actual link.
 

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Really? Isn't Gammons only on TSH though? He used to appear on Toucher and Rich.
Last year during the Playoffs Gammons appeared on T&R and basically called them idiots for an opinion they had I think regarding Miguel Cabrea...then Mazz caught wind of it and went on like a 10 min rant about how pompous Gammons was. They don't like him over at the HUB.
 

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Last year during the Playoffs Gammons appeared on T&R and basically called them idiots for an opinion they had I think regarding Miguel Cabrea...then Mazz caught wind of it and went on like a 10 min rant about how pompous Gammons was. They don't like him over at the HUB.
Yeah he hasn't been on in a while. I think I remember Fred bringing it up once and basically laughed it off and said it didn't work. It was strange because with their musical backgrounds, Fred would try to relate but it never really clicked. I always got the feeling Gammons felt they were shock jocks and doing their show was below him. This despite Fred's impressive baseball and rock knowledge
 

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Gammons is on D&C now, I occasionally see the synopses on the EEI web site via Google News or MLBTR or whatever.
 
T&R still riff on Gammons for the odd noises in the background during his interviews last season.  The little standoff they had during the postseason was about Prince Fielder where Fred basically asked why Fielder chokes during the playoffs.  Gammons didn't really like Fred's tone, which was a bit like a hurt Tigers fan (I know he's a Cards fan but there's a lot of Detroit left in him).  Fielder also seems to be one of Gammons' "special" players so awkwardness ensued, with Gammons kind of protecting the player and Fred not really understanding the confrontational aspect.
 
I still like Gammons though.  We'll all be more crotchety when we're pushing 70 years old... 
 

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Monday's show:
 
- liberals trying to impose its agenda on anyone with a conservative opinion
- Chad Finn sucks eggs, is biased, etc.
- Fox is just doing this because Andrews is their employee
- we've dug up something insensitive someone on Fox once said -- Fox is hypocritical
- we've never heard so much support from our listeners as we have this week
- hope our listeners will support our sponsors
 
I'd bet $2 they keep this controversy going as long as possible and it improves their ratings for this ratings book.
 

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I love that Rupert Murdoch's (a personal hero of GC) company was the first to boycott. HAHAHAHAHA
 

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Laser Show said:
https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/492787066141687809
 
Fox Sports has decided to pull all of its advertising from Entercom-owned radio stations and has banned its personalities from appearing on WEEI in the wake of host Kirk Minihane’s recent controversial comments regarding reporter Erin Andrews.
Boston.com and the Globe have obtained a copy of the letter Fox Sports president Eric Shanks sent to Entercom president and chief executive officer David Field this afternoon. Entercom is WEEI’s parent company.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/25/fox-pulls-all-advertising-weei-parent-company-entercom/WpPEiZSjqvqHAfjk9XuLpK/story.html
 

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The promised piece from Richard Deitsch.
 
 
Lewis Kay, the Los Angeles-based representative for Andrews, responded to Minihane on Twitter following the Perkins comments. "I certainly hope you treat the women in your personal life with more respect than the way you treat them on your show," Kay tweeted.
Fox Sports upper management -- many of whom have wanted to go public with their animus over the comments -- met on Friday afternoon at the company's Los Angeles offices on how to respond to WEEI after Minihane's second set of comments. That response came today with Shanks' letter to Field.
 
 

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allstonite said:
Yeah he hasn't been on in a while. I think I remember Fred bringing it up once and basically laughed it off and said it didn't work. It was strange because with their musical backgrounds, Fred would try to relate but it never really clicked. I always got the feeling Gammons felt they were shock jocks and doing their show was below him. This despite Fred's impressive baseball and rock knowledge
 
RE, the bolded statement: Really? For someone paid to talk about general sports on the radio, I can't think of anyone with less knowledge of, or feeling for, baseball. A week or so ago he was astounded that Wallach, or anyone else, would actually sit through, and, you know, WATCH, an entire baseball game on TV.
 
I don't think he knows much about the music Gammons appreciates either. 
 

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Don Bradman said:
 
RE, the bolded statement: Really? For someone paid to talk about general sports on the radio, I can't think of anyone with less knowledge of, or feeling for, baseball. A week or so ago he was astounded that Wallach, or anyone else, would actually sit through, and, you know, WATCH, an entire baseball game on TV.
 
I don't think he knows much about the music Gammons appreciates either. 
I disagree. Fred is extremely knowledgable when it comes to baseball. He may not be that strong in the provincial knowledge that is required in a market like Boston but overall he's really strong with baseball. He knows the entire league more than most locally. And I think his point was that Wallach can watch without his phone or a laptop. I felt the same way. I love baseball but I always have my phone or iPad handy for commercials and between pitches. I truly believes he loves baseball as much as at other personality in this market. And the rock thing they probably like different things but Fred and Rich can both talk about it for days if Gammons was willing.
 

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I can't think of anyone with less knowledge of, or feeling for, baseball.
Not to say you're right or wrong either way, but he hands down has the most baseball knowledge on his show (Wallach knows more about Red Sox baseball, but Fred knows more about the rest of the league.)

And he knows more than both Gresh and Zolak about baseball.
 

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Nope, that ain't gonna do it Phil Zachary. Maybe last week it would have been good enough but you made this bed when you decided to not suspend him after the first incident. And then to wait until after FOX pulled the advertising...I bet Zachary gets the pink slip before D&C&K do. 
 

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Finn tweeted that Minihane is suspended for a week.

I agree with 121 - these guys appeal to sports fans that listen to Rush and Hannity. There is a sizable audience of those folks.
 

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I know news like this gets released on a Friday afternoon / evening so it'll be buried by monday morning but a side benefit might be an epic, friday night chivas fueled twitter rant by JD.
we can only hope