Madison Younginer

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Age: 19
Born: November 3, 1990, Simpsonville, SC
Height: 6'4
Weight: 195
B/T: Right
Drafted by the Red Sox in the 7th round of the 2009 draft

I was surprised to see there wasn't a thread on Madison yet. He is one of my favorite type of prospects, the young raw pitcher with tons of potential.

http://soxprospects.com/players/younginer-madison.htmSoxprospects on his repertoire

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Younginer has an impressive array of pitches, including: (1) a 94-95 mph four-seamer with great arm-side movement, which gets up to 97 mph; (2) an 89-90 mph two-seamer with nice downward movement; (3) a 73-76 mph 12-to-6 curveball with sharp, late break; and (4) a developing low-80s changeup with late life


They also describe his delivery as "somewhat violent". You can judge for yourself. While I can't vouch for the veracity of the information, this website http://baseballinstinct.com/2010/03/05/prospect-instinct-madison-younginer/BaseballInstinct has a breakdown of his mechanics, as well as two videos of him pitching, one perspective from behind home plate, and one perspective from the first base side.

Going into the 2009 Amateur draft, Baseball America ranked him as the 45th best prospect, yet he fell to the 228th pick where the Red Sox got him (http://sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/index.php/Madison_YounginerSOSH Wiki). There were a number of concerns about Madison. He was throwing in the high 90s in high school, but he also played predominantly in the outfield, and only pitched in relief. Scouts weren't sure he could maintain this velocity as a http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/MLB_Draft/entry/view/24981/madison_younginer_power_pitcher_but_as_a_starter_or_relieverstarter

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For scouts, the difficulty has been in evaluating Younginer as a starter. His velocity was tracked at mid-90s every outing this season, but as a reliever. His pitches and velocity are consistent for a reliever, but scouts have had scant few chances to see Younginer in a starting role.

His high school had him closing at one point, which would allow Younginer to maintain his high-90s velocity.


The other main issue was that he had agreed to go to Clemson, where they would let him hit and play center field when he wasn't pitching. Madison talked about his decision to forgo Clemson for the Red Sox in an interview with http://www.overthemonster.com/2010/1/29/1271555/interviewing-red-sox-pitchingOvertheMonster

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"To bypass Clemson was a very tough decision. They are one of the top baseball universities in the country and have a great coaching staff. I also had to bypass getting the opportunity to hit. I came up with an amount that I thought would be life-changing and worth signing. The Red Sox and I came to an agreement and I'm very happy with my decision."


In the interview Madison comes off as intelligent and articulate, with a reasonably objective perspective on his abilities. For his strengths he cites the quality of his fastball, curveball, and his mound demeanor. For his weaknesses, he talks about needing to improve his control by repeating his delivery better, as well as doing a better job controlling the tempo of the game.

Madison is currently pitching in Lowell, where in four starts he has put up the following http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=youngi001madline.

2-2, 3.63 ERA, 17 1/3 innings pitched, 11 hits, 0 HR, 7 walks, 13 K's, WHIP of 1.038

It's certainly a respectable line in it's own right. The interesting thing, at least to me, is the dichotomy between his one bad start, and his three good ones.

One bad start: 3 1/3 innings, 16.20 ERA, 6 hits, 3 walks, 2 K's
Three good ones: 14 innings, 0.64 ERA, 5 hits, 4 walks, 11 K's


It will be interesting going forward to see how often those bad starts crop up, and whether he can get those walk numbers down.
 

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Not a great start for Younginer at the rain shortened Futures at Fenway game. He pitched 3 innings, allowing 6 hits, 5 runs (4 earned), walking four and striking out one. I was waiting for the Lowell Sun to put up a game story before making this post, but there is something wrong with their web site.

Game summary from the Globe and mlb.com

Madison on the year

Record: 2-3
Innings: 20 1/3
ERA: 4.87
Hits: 17
Homeruns: 0
Walks: 11
Strikeouts: 14
 

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QUOTE (Mr Jums @ Jul 12 2010, 04:15 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3071132
Not a great start for Younginer at the rain shortened Futures at Fenway game. He pitched 3 innings, allowing 6 hits, 5 runs (4 earned), walking four and striking out one. I was waiting for the Lowell Sun to put up a game story before making this post, but there is something wrong with their web site.

Game summary from the Globe and mlb.com

I was there. He was pretty unimpressive. Fastball 91-92, not a lot of swings and misses, had no control of his offspeed stuff, and wasn't fooling anybody.
 

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Madison had an abjectly horrible start last Thursday. He went 3 1/3 innings, giving up 6 hits (including his first home run of the year), 9 earned runs, walking 3 and striking out 2. Given the enormous sample size of two games, I think it is a veritable certainty that I have cursed him by creating this thread. For this, I am truly sorry.

Record: 2-4
Innings: 23 2/3
ERA: 7.61
Hits: 23
Homeruns: 1
Walks: 14
Strikeouts: 16
 

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Madison turned in a marginally better yet still fairly underwhelming start last Tuesday. He went 5 innings, giving up 3 runs on 7 hits, walking 4 and striking out 2. Now, I don't want to appear as if I have delusions of grandeur, or that I feel that I can control the fates of other people. All I'm saying is this; Madison Younginer before I started this topic, 17 1/3 innings pitched, 11 hits, 0 HR, 7 walks, 13 K's. Madison Younginer after I started this topic, 11 1/3 innings pitched, 19 hits, 1 HR, 11 walks, 5 K's. That's all I'm saying.

Stats on the year

Record: 2-5
Innings: 28 2/3
ERA: 7.22
Hits: 30
Homeruns: 1
Walks: 18
Strikeouts: 18
 

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In his last start, Madison took a nice step towards breaking what I have termed, with utmost humility, the "Jums curse". After skipping his last spot in the rotation to keep his innings down, he went 5 innings yesterday giving up one run on two hits, walking one and striking out four.

Stats on the year

Record: 2-5
Innings: 33 2/3
ERA: 6.42
Hits: 32
Homeruns: 1
Walks: 19
Strikeouts: 22
 

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Little behind the times on this one, but better late than never. In his start on Wednesday, Madison went 4 innings, giving up 3 runs (2 earned) while walking 2 and striking out 1.


Stats on the year

Record: 2-5
Innings: 37 2/3
ERA: 6.21
Hits: 39
Homeruns: 1
Walks: 21
Strikeouts: 23
 

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Since my last post, Younginer has had two starts. On August 10th, he went six innings, giving up three hits and striking out one. On August 15th, He went 5 innings, giving up three runs (one earned), giving up a homerun, walking two, and striking out none.

Stats on the year

Record: 3-5
Innings: 48 2/3
ERA: 4.99
Hits: 46
Homeruns: 2
Walks: 23
Strikeouts: 24
 

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Going with Cuzitt's request to make the forum more active, I'm rehabilitating the Madison Younginer prospect thread.  After appearing to be a lost cause for 2011 and 2012, and even the first half of 2013, he appears to have found a home in the bullpen at Salem over the second half of last season and the beginning of this season.  He is still pitching this whole season as a 23 year old, so if he can get to Portland and do well, his career could be back on track.  
 
Most interestingly, his velocity seems to have spiked significantly, as noted in this blog post with an interview of Salem manager, Billy McMillon:
 
http://linedrive.blogs.goupstate.com/12281/mauldins-madison-younginer-provides-relief-as-salem-red-sox-earn-playoff-win/
 
Salem manager Billy McMillon describes Younginer as “an interesting player.”
 
“He’s touched 98 or 99 since he’s been with us,” McMillon said of the radar readings for Younginer’s fastball. “He’s a good athlete, so he really competes hard out there.”
 
 
Old friend and foe Eric Van seems to have noticed the resurrection of Madison's career about the same time I did last fall:
 
http://soxprospects.proboards.com/thread/1225
 
Something then happened. 5 games, May 11 to May 27:

7.1 3 1 1 1 10.
1.23 ERA from an 0.88 FIP and .200 BABIP. .120 / .154 / .160 allowed.

A SSS fluke? The Sox didn't think so, because they promoted him to Salem despite his overall 5.59 ERA and .154 BB%.

He got hit hard in two games (2 5 5 5 2 3) and then went on the DL; someone with a better memory or the secret to accessing older News items might want to provide the details. Can we dismiss these two outings as nursing an injury? If not, than as an adjustment ...

He rehabbed in the GCL on 7/16 and 7/19, and had a 2 1 1 1 2 1 line in his first outing back at Salem, which we can dismiss as rust. (Hooray for cherry-picking!) In 10 games since then:

19 16 3 3 7 21.
1.42 ERA from a 2.25 FIP and a .320 BABIP. .225 / .304 / .282 allowed.

What's even better is that in this good stretch, he has a .580 GB%, while in the Greenville good one, it was .333.
 
 
Following Eric's post, Younginer had a fantastic postseason in Salem's championship drive, where he pitched multiple innings in multiple games without giving up a run.  I combined the stretch Van highlighted with his playoff stats in a game thread last fall:

 
Younginer's last 12 outings: 23.1 IP, 17 H, 3 ER, 7 BB, 26 K and a GO/FO ratio in the vicinity of 1.6 or so.
 
 
 
So you can see the playoff stats as 4-1/3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K's
 
He has started this season back in Salem's bullpen where he is unscored upon in four innings, giving up 3 hits, walking no one, and striking out 5, including in a 3 inning outing last night.
 
This is by far the longest and most successful stretch of his career.  I'm looking forward to seeing reports that the velocity spike has remained this season, and seeing him moving up to Portland.
 

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My post wa the kiss of death for Younginer. He's been rocked twice since. Here's hoping it's just a blip, but that promotion clock has probably been reset to 0. Hopefully he's not trying to pitch through a major injury, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a blurb pop up about a tender arm joint.
 

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After going through a dreadful stretch of games in late April and early May, Younginer has righted himself again. In the past 10 outings, he's had 16.2 IP, 16 H, 4 BB, and 20 K's along with a GO/AO of 1.13. No recent articles mentioning his velocity and I've been unable to catch him when Salem is in town.