Logan Mankins traded to Tampa Bay
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jsinger121 said:
74% catch rate last season. Better than Graham, Thomas, Davis, Gonzalez, Cameron, Gronk, Celek, etc, etc...
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/te
I....what?
This seems really odd to me. The line had problems last year. Maybe Mankins was part of that, but...damn. He was supposed to be one of their better linemen.
This seems really odd to me. The line had problems last year. Maybe Mankins was part of that, but...damn. He was supposed to be one of their better linemen.
Tim Wright is really really explosive in the middle of the field. Classic seam stretcher. Not very good with his hand in the dirt yet.
I love the Pats, but I'm not a huge football guy so correct me if I'm wrong... but wasn't the OL one of the larger concerns right now? Wow.
Wright was the 54th rated TE by PFF last season, with a -7.2 score in 626 snaps. He did rate positively (1.9) in the passing game but was truly atrocious (-10.1) in run blocking.
Hooman was #60, FWIW.
My opinion here depends on the draft pick. Mankins was clearly on the downside of his career, and while the tough SOB was reliable he had also regressed a lot from his peak and is not worth his salary at this point.
Hooman was #60, FWIW.
My opinion here depends on the draft pick. Mankins was clearly on the downside of his career, and while the tough SOB was reliable he had also regressed a lot from his peak and is not worth his salary at this point.
Wright was struggling with drops and was 3rd on the depth chart in Tampa. The pick had better be a high one.
Richard Seymour Redux?
Seymour was traded on September 6th, 2009 at the time as a 5 time Pro-Bowler for a 1st round pick.
Seymour was traded on September 6th, 2009 at the time as a 5 time Pro-Bowler for a 1st round pick.
Loved Mankins, always a physical guy in the trenches and a great, great teammate. Anytime you saw some after the whistle stuff, Mankins was always right in the middle of it, no doubt defending one of his teammates. I have learned that it is dumb to criticize anything the Patriots do, because they are smarter than everybody else.
Of course this is TE depth but I wonder if it says something about Gronk too. Could be pretty limited to start the year.
Well there is the move absolutely no one saw coming
Mankins was probably a goner next year anyways, but shocking that with interior line the perceived weakness of the team they just shipped off their most reliable piece.
Wendell/Connolly/Kline now starting?
Mankins was probably a goner next year anyways, but shocking that with interior line the perceived weakness of the team they just shipped off their most reliable piece.
Wendell/Connolly/Kline now starting?
Pretty happy they got out from the 10 million dollar a year Mankins was getting. Hoping this is a nice pick and they use the money to get Revis signed.
My thoughts:
This is my take. I'd think the pick is fairly high; I don't see Wright as a guy with a lot of value.
- Wright is a TE-in-name-only, measuring at 6'4" 229 at the Combine. He does add to the Rutgers quotient.
- Have to think both Connolly and Wendell make the team now - I can't see them going Kline / Devey as the Gs.
- Pats incur $8 MM in dead money for Mankins, but save $2.5 MM. He was a likely cut / restructure after the year - his 2015 cap # would have been $11 MM with just $4 MM guaranteed.
soxfan121 said:
This is my take. I'd think the pick is fairly high; I don't see Wright as a guy with a lot of value.
This is selling high on a player who was trending downards in recent years and who isn't worth his contract. Let's wait and see what the pick is, but I don't expect anything high.
Wright has at least proven something in the NFL, something none of our TEs sans Gronk have done. Maybe Mankins was a bigger part of the OL's struggles than we imagined.
Wright has at least proven something in the NFL, something none of our TEs sans Gronk have done. Maybe Mankins was a bigger part of the OL's struggles than we imagined.
Frees up a ton of cap space. I don't suppose there's another shoe to drop here?
Otherwise, fairly stunned, need to see the draft pick. Wright seems like a decent 2nd TE option to me, but OLine is obviously an area of concern to begin with. Maybe Kline had been outplaying him in practice.
Edit - I guess the cap space is really for the next few seasons, only 2.5 savings this year.
Otherwise, fairly stunned, need to see the draft pick. Wright seems like a decent 2nd TE option to me, but OLine is obviously an area of concern to begin with. Maybe Kline had been outplaying him in practice.
Edit - I guess the cap space is really for the next few seasons, only 2.5 savings this year.
PFF has loved what Mankins has done in the pre-season. This scares me, he's not what he was 5 years ago but he plays with meanness.
Well this is a new one. Have to see what the pick is but if it's a 3rd rounder or higher I'm ok with this. I don't have the stats to back this up since I'm getting on a flight, but Mankins hasn't seemed the same since his ACL.
Wright was converted to TE from WR?
That would explain his poor blocking and good route-running.
That would explain his poor blocking and good route-running.
ShaneTrot said:
Evaluating preseason guard play based on an average of about 15 snaps a game. PFF at its finest.
Wright really can't do what Gronk does. He should perform well as a weak side TE and in slot. He isn't a TE1, just can't run block.
But he can run and catch.
But he can run and catch.
Super Nomario said:
Since its post June 1, only $4M hits the 2014 cap so the immediate cap savings this year are pretty substantial. I don't know if there are other shoes to drop (probably not). We may just rollover the space into next year, potentially helping with a Revis deal.
Woah. I really want to react to this now, but can't without knowing the pick. Still though, everyone knows Mankins is in decline, but still pretty good and added a whole shit ton of toughness to the team.
This is weird.
This is weird.
Frees up a lot of '15 cap space if they just take the hit now. Almost certainly a good move for '15 and beyond without knowing the pick, just going to suck if the interior OL submarines another season this year.
I don't understand Volin's comment, why would they have to create space? They already had Mankins on the cap this year for north of $10MM
I don't understand Volin's comment, why would they have to create space? They already had Mankins on the cap this year for north of $10MM