Liverpool 24-25: Going Dutch

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The title feels appropriate given VVD, Gravenberch, Gakpo, Slot, and all the new coaches coming in with Arne. The red will have a bit of an oranje hue.

This past season didn’t end as we all dream back in January, but a trophy, Champions League, and bedding in key youngster is a very good season.

But there will be no resting on laurels - a full strategic refresh is underway with an all new front office and new manager lined up. There are lots of major questions to answer about the squad:

Is Mo on the decline or was he just worn down by AFCON plus the hamstring problem? Does he warrant an extension or a sale? Of the latter, what’s the minimum and can a Saudi club be enticed into a silly offer?

Extensions need to be worked out for VVD and Trent as they enter their last year. And then Robbo & Konate are up in 2026.

Another pure 6 seems a priority no matter what system Arne employs. Endō was fantastic, but his age and streaky passing mean an upgrade is necessary.

And what will Slot try to play? His favored 4-2-3-1 is an awkward fit for a squad that just rebuilt its midfield for a hard pressing 4-3-3. I do expect Slot to adjust to the strengths of the squad and players to adjust to Slot’s demands, but many many different moves seem possible.

fullback seems ripe for a new player or two given Robbo’s mileage (though he was great down the stretch) and Trent’s unique talents & limitations.

A depth CB behind Quansah, VVD, & Konate? Another heads up, 1v1 maestro in-cutting winger? A true 10, tho Elliott and Gakpo might each fancy a chance at the role?

This summer really could go in any number of directions. Never dull at Anfield.
 

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My wild ass guesses as a non-Liverpool supporter.

Edwards is too smart not to sell Salah to Saudi Arabia if a substantial offer comes in this summer. Statements about Liverpool planning around him and Saudi Arabia being happy to wait for next year are just posturing. I have no idea who the replacement would be but RW clearly goes to #1 on the transfer priority list if it happens.

I think Liverpool will go big on a left footed CB. VVD is great but the clock is ticking both age and contract wise, Konate still has not really shown the ability to play twice a week and hold up physically, and Quansah is talented but also very young and probably should be more of a rotation player.

My bet is that Trent will sign a new contract but he'll wait to see how he gets along with Slot and how the new manager intends to use him. There will be much media drama then he'll sign near the end of the window.
 
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My wild ass guesses as a non-Liverpool supporter.

Edwards is too smart not to sell Salah to Saudi Arabia if a substantial offer comes in this summer. Statements about Liverpool planning around him and Saudi Arabia being happy to wait for next year are just posturing. I have no idea who the replacement would be but RW clearly goes to #1 on the transfer priority list if it happens.

I think Liverpool will go big on a left footed CB. VVD is great but the clock is ticking both age and contract wise, Konate still has not really shown the ability to place a week and hold up physically, and Quansah is talented but also very young and probably should be more of a rotation player.

My bet is that Trent will sign a new contract but he'll wait to see how he gets along with Slot and how the new manager intends to use him. There will be much media drama then he'll sign near the end of the window.
I could easily see all these scenarios playing out. I think Edwards & co will focus on putting out a top-4 quality squad for the start of the season - UCL qualification will be their standard, a title push would be a bonus in Slot’s first year.

So there will be a lot of complex calculations - if Mo goes, I think if makes VVD more likely to stay since they’ll want to retain their captain in the back & delay major CB changes until next summer. But if Mo stays, a new 1st choice left my CB becomes a priority…

It feels a bit like waiting for the first domino to fall, but we all know Edwards love to announce a surprise singing early in the window.

Very interesting Athletic piece on Slot’s hiring. He’ll be taking the title “head coach” not manager. It’s truly a new day.
 

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Lovely interview with Joe Gomez, who is now the longest tenured Red. He's become such an amazing servant for the team and it has been wonderful to see him gain wider respect this yeat by stepping in to play a very credible leftback(!). He came in as a young transfer under Rodgers with the expectation that he'd become a core starter and bedrock CB. That didn't go to plan and things really seemed to go off the rails with Joe's dust up with Sterling at an England camp. Under Klopp, Joe always seemed to get injured just when his opportunities were opening up. But he's hasn't agitated for a move, hasn't bitched in public, has always answered the bell when called.

 

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Liverpool 24/25 Fixtures

August

Saturday 17th, 12.30pm – Ipswich Town (A)

Saturday 24th, 3pm – Brentford (H)

Saturday 31st, 3pm – Manchester United (A)

September

Saturday 14th, 3pm – Nottingham Forest (H)

Saturday 21st, 3pm – Bournemouth (H)

Saturday 28th, 3pm – Wolverhampton Wanderers (A)

October

Saturday 5th, 3pm – Crystal Palace (A)

Saturday 19th, 3pm – Chelsea (H)

Saturday 26th, 3pm – Arsenal (A)

November

Saturday 2nd, 3pm – Brighton & Hove Albion (H)

Saturday 9th, 3pm – Aston Villa (H)

Saturday 3rd, 3pm – Southampton (A)

Saturday 30th, 3pm – Manchester City (H)

December

Wednesday 4th, 7.45pm – Newcastle United (A)

Saturday 7th, 3pm – Everton (A)

Saturday 14th, 3pm – Fulham (H)

Saturday 21st, 3pm – Tottenham Hotspur (A)

Thursday 26th, 3pm – Leicester City (H)

Sunday 29th, 3pm – West Ham United (A)

January

Saturday 4th, 3pm – Manchester United (H)

Tuesday 14th, 7.45pm – Nottingham Forest (A)

Saturday 18th, 3pm – Brentford (A)

Saturday 25th, 3pm – Ipswich Town (H)

February

Saturday 1st, 3pm – Bournemouth (A)

Saturday 15th, 3pm – Wolverhampton Wanderers (H)

Saturday 22nd, 3pm – Manchester City (A)

Wednesday 26th, 8pm – Newcastle United (H)

March

Saturday 8th, 3pm – Southampton (H)

Saturday 15th, 3pm – Aston Villa (A)

April

Wednesday 2nd, 8pm – Everton (H)

Saturday 5th, 3pm – Fulham (A)

Saturday 12th, 3pm – West Ham United (H)

Saturday 19th, 3pm – Leicester City (A)

Saturday 26th, 3pm – Tottenham Hotspur (H)

May

Saturday 3rd, 3pm – Chelsea (A)

Saturday 10th, 3pm – Arsenal (H)

Sunday 18th, 3pm – Brighton & Hove Albion (A)

Sunday 25th, 4pm – Crystal Palace (H)
 

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Opening at a newly promoted side again this season! Portman Road should be rocking.

It’s a really balanced schedule. There’s a week in October that will be Chelsea, UCL match, @Arsenal. But that’s just big boy stuff - the Gunners will also be coming off a midweek UCL match.
 

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Lots of stories today that Newcastle , desperate to balance their books before the PSR deadline tomorrow , offered Anthony Gordon to the Reds for an undisclosed sum and Qaunsah

This was supposedly rejected by Liverpool as they really like Qaunsah and have no pressing need for a LW.

Gordon’s a good player and supposedly a boyhood Red - but he’s also a total dickhead. Bullet dodged .

And in a practical sense, if they offloaded Qaunsah they’d be under massive pressure to bring in an expensive CB
 
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Big news, Mo shaved his head!

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Also, Mo & Endō are not in their respective nation’s Olympic squads. Very surprised that Mo didn’t push for this, but it’s good for Slot and the club to have everyone in training this summer.
 

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Gordon at LFC would be something in the derby. The vitriol from the Everton support in the stands would move seismographs, like a Taylor Swift concert.
 

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Gordon at LFC would be something in the derby. The vitriol from the Everton support in the stands would move seismographs, like a Taylor Swift concert.
Leaving out my personal dislike of Gordon, I don’t quite see what he would bring - he’d have Diaz, Gakpo and Nunez and Jota all ahead of him on the depth chart. If Diaz leaves (doesn’t look likely) then maybe - but I’d take Nico Williams over Gordon in a heartbeat. The Echo keeps pounding away at this every day despite any evidence that Newcastle wants to sell or Liverpool wants to buy. I guess, in the absence of real rumours they have nothing to talk about.
 

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FSG in talks to buy Bordeaux.

Bordeaux were provisionally relegated to the third tier National 1 by French football's financial watchdog, the DNCG, on Tuesday after failing to provide guarantees for the 2024-25 season.

The club are appealing against the decision and now have two weeks to finalise a sale to allow them to remain in Ligue 2 next season.
 
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Liverpool sign a Chelsea academy product, reportedly breaking the club wage ceiling for youth players to do it. I think this is part of a larger pivot to investing in English homegrown youth as continental youth can’t be signed anymore.

From reports, it’s also the 3rd academy product leaving Chelsea and getting signed by the big EPL clubs. I wonder how this plays out - is Chelsea aggressive signings of 18-22 year olds blocking academy products & driving them elsewhere? Or are these academy players. Or quite up to standard & Chelsea will be getting solidarity payments on kids they were never going to play anyway?

View: https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1811018063648624729?s=46&t=GfuLFvTYcOxcFiCZjyIYZw
 

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Watched all the clips this morning… Darwin is certainly facing some sort of lengthy ban, no?
Is CONEMBOL the one doing the discipline? I suspect they might go easy given it was players’ families involved and 3 of the highest profile Uruguay players were in the stands.

I’m half convinced/hoping FSG are buying Bordeaux so Darwin has a loan destination.
 

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From reports, it’s also the 3rd academy product leaving Chelsea and getting signed by the big EPL clubs. I wonder how this plays out - is Chelsea aggressive signings of 18-22 year olds blocking academy products & driving them elsewhere? Or are these academy players. Or quite up to standard & Chelsea will be getting solidarity payments on kids they were never going to play anyway?
They are massively underwater with the profit and sustainability rules, they need to get out of the red or they'll be facing points deductions. Selling academy players is 100% profit for accounting purposes, selling players previously bought is mostly canceling out the amortization of the initial transfer fee.

It is why Chelsea, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Forest have all been trading homegrown players. Which is just kicking the can down the road but helps them this year.
 

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Hasn’t Chelsea always stockpiled kids, just as a thing to do?
It’s striking that Chelsea are losing 3 England youth internationals at once and Liverpool is willing to break its youth wage structure for Ngumoha. The other two appear to be singing with ManU and City. That's a lot of quality to lose.
 
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They are massively underwater with the profit and sustainability rules, they need to get out of the red or they'll be facing points deductions. Selling academy players is 100% profit for accounting purposes, selling players previously bought is mostly canceling out the amortization of the initial transfer fee.

It is why Chelsea, Aston Villa, Newcastle, Forest have all been trading homegrown players. Which is just kicking the can down the road but helps them this year.
But these aren’t sales. They are academy products signing new contracts with other clubs. Chelsea gets a solidarity payment from the new club and (I believe) a cut of a future transfer under certain conditions. But losing these players isn’t moving the PSR calculation significantly. If anything, Chelsea lose the ability to transfer them as youth players in a year or two, which would generate the profits you mentioned.
 

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Nunez behaves in an immature and childish fashion, completely losing his self-control. There are really 2 mitigating factors, in my eyes. First, they went after his family in one way, shape, or form, and second, the fan came out swinging at him. Security either didn't know or didn't care - or were frankly incompetent, all of which are possibilities.
 

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Nunez behaves in an immature and childish fashion, completely losing his self-control. There are really 2 mitigating factors, in my eyes. First, they went after his family in one way, shape, or form, and second, the fan came out swinging at him. Security either didn't know or didn't care - or were frankly incompetent, all of which are possibilities.
I don’t know if it matters, but his family had already escaped. He apparently didn’t know.

Everybody involved failed. Everybody. The punishments have to be stupidly harsh and lessons learned before we try this again in 2026.

Cleaning up behavior on the pitch would help. As players escalate, fans escalate. Match management has been horrific. Use VAR to punish simulation. Make it about the damn game, not the game within the game. Copa completely lost the plot and it’s been hard to watch.
 

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Assuming Nunez has to sit in timeout for awhile to think about what he’s done…

Even before all this, we’ve seen some fantastic things out of Luis Diaz playing a more central role with Gakpo operating off the left wing. I wouldn’t be at all opposed to seeing the boys try it together. I don’t think Gakpo’s play relied much on how Memphis was working in the middle and would work fine with a guy like Diaz in that spot.

One way or another, the xG and actual goals gap should shrink a bit (while the xG likely goes down as well).
 

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Assuming Nunez has to sit in timeout for awhile to think about what he’s done…

Even before all this, we’ve seen some fantastic things out of Luis Diaz playing a more central role with Gakpo operating off the left wing. I wouldn’t be at all opposed to seeing the boys try it together. I don’t think Gakpo’s play relied much on how Memphis was working in the middle and would work fine with a guy like Diaz in that spot.

One way or another, the xG and actual goals gap should shrink a bit (while the xG likely goes down as well).
Wouldn’t any Nunez discipline be confined to Conmebol?

the perfect storm of a cauldron of a game, the result, out of control rabid fans , a threat to his family and overwhelmed security should not result in any discipline beyond a fine IMO.

Regardless - they still have 5 forwards to fit into 3 positions. Gakpo/Diaz on the left , Jota/Nunez through the middle and Salah on the right.

On the other hand … it’s possible Slot adopts a 4-2-3-1 which Salah as the lone striker
 

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Wouldn’t any Nunez discipline be confined to Conmebol?

the perfect storm of a cauldron of a game, the result, out of control rabid fans , a threat to his family and overwhelmed security should not result in any discipline beyond a fine IMO.
This is insane. Nunez family was well out of harms way when he went on the offensive against the fans. He was looking for revenge, not protecting anyone. He literally pushed over a uniformed police officer to get to the Colombian fans.

I am not sure how this would possibly effect him at the club levels unless FIFA gives him a suspension similar to Suarez a few years ago, when he was banned from all football activities for one of his biting incidents.
 

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This is insane. Nunez family was well out of harms way when he went on the offensive against the fans. He was looking for revenge, not protecting anyone. He literally pushed over a uniformed police officer to get to the Colombian fans.

I am not sure how this would possibly effect him at the club levels unless FIFA gives him a suspension similar to Suarez a few years ago, when he was banned from all football activities for one of his biting incidents.
He threw a fucking chair after things had started settling down and got really, really lucky he missed. I fully expect this to exceed Suarez’s discipline. FIFA can’t stand by.

There are failures absolutely everywhere. It’s comical how horrifically this was handled by all involved. As much as stadium security must be improved, a huge part of the problem is what’s happening between the lines and under the lights. Thuggish behavior is tolerated and even celebrated. When the emotions on the field boil over the spectators are rarely far behind.
 

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He threw a fucking chair after things had started settling down and got really, really lucky he missed. I fully expect this to exceed Suarez’s discipline. FIFA can’t stand by.

There are failures absolutely everywhere. It’s comical how horrifically this was handled by all involved. As much as stadium security must be improved, a huge part of the problem is what’s happening between the lines and under the lights. Thuggish behavior is tolerated and even celebrated. When the emotions on the field boil over the spectators are rarely far behind.
Luck? His entire career is defined by misses!
 

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FSG pull out from Bordeaux negotiations. It appears that FSG got a look under the hood and decided the stadium costs (purchasing it from the state and then renovating) plus uncertainty about the next media rights contracts made the club a risky investment.
 
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FSG pull out from Bordeaux negotiations. It appears that FSG got a look under the hood and decided the stadium costs (purchasing it from the state and then renovating) plus uncertainty about the next media rights contracts made the club a risky investment.
What is there to renovate? The stadium was built in 2016 and it's beautiful. I guess they want to do an expansion or add more suits and concessions.
 

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What is there to renovate? The stadium was built in 2016 and it's beautiful. I guess they want to do an expansion or add more suits and concessions.
Digging in more, I see that the club doesn’t own its training facilities, and that’s what FSG would look to renovate. But a sticking point with the stadium is a significant amount of back rent is owed. FSG weren’t certain how negotiations over the stadium, training grounds, and back rent would go. Buying the club would have been cheap, but the other costs were unknown and they seemingly soured on the value of French broadcast rights.