Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

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I think you kind of nailed it at the end. All of the decisions he’s made would seem like he’d WANT to be a villain and I think he knows that and tried to play that role….but he also clearly cares a lot about what people think about him so it doesn’t work.

And you’re 100% correct about the joining the Warriors thing. If he was really surprised at the reaction he got, and it seems like he was, then…wow. Not sure how you could be that far removed from reality. Then again, he apparently also left Golden State because he realized that Golden State would always be Steph’s team….something literally anyone could have predicted from the beginning
Everyone is the hero/victim of their autobiography, but KD seems to be caught up in this more than most. It also takes a certain kind of wiring to embrace being the villain, as opposed to just feeling sad & misunderstood, which KD also seems to embrace more than most.
 

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I wonder if that was a little “don’t fvck with me” from Mayor Adams, after KD publicly called him out, telling him to “figure it out” and repeatedly calling him “Eric.” Here’s hoping, anyway…

KD has been acting especially prickish lately, between that, the over-the-top trashtalking of Evan Fournier (I mean come on, it’s Evan Fournier!), and beating his chest about how amazing at basketball he is (which he is, but still). Will somebody, anybody, please knock him and Kyrie out of the playoffs?
I so, so, so want them to lose to the Raptors in Toronto in the play-in game while Kyrie sits at home.
 

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The most annoying thing about Durant is the nihilism he has towards the media and fans; he's just so over everything and rolls his eyes like a brooding teenager. Everything is a fabricated media narrative, fans shouldn't be permitted to make any judgements on players, people outside the NBA will just never get it, etc.

Chris Ryan summarized it really well in a column he wrote last week before the Nets/Sixers game.

I will not let Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving talk me out of believing that this game could be feisty and fun. I’m kind of over how over it those two are. Everything is a media narrative, a fiction, a fabrication. They are playing hoop in a dimension that mere mortals can barely comprehend, etc., and have left behind the trappings of everyday NBA basketball.

After Brooklyn’s win over Charlotte, Durant talked about his expectations for the Sixers game, and while most people seized on his comments about booing (“I think part of the experience of coming to an NBA game is to heckle. Some people don’t even enjoy basketball, they just, like—their lives are so shitty that they get to just aim it at other people, so it’s easy to kind of get that release at a basketball game”), I noted his dismissal of Nets-Sixers as a possible rivalry: “It’ll be loud. I’m sure Philly fans and people who watch the game, media think this is somewhat of a budding rivalry.” Irving also pre-deflated the atmosphere: “It makes for good stories. It makes for good narratives and good build-up for our league.”

Let’s just say: It’s cool that two teams, two hours apart, with the same aspirations, are taking each other on, after a blockbuster trade that altered the makeup of each team’s roster. Sorry, they are tied to each other now, and that’s interesting. Maybe the reason Irving and Durant are so mystified by the passion of Philly fans is because there are no actual Nets fans?
 

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Everyone is the hero/victim of their autobiography, but KD seems to be caught up in this more than most. It also takes a certain kind of wiring to embrace being the villain, as opposed to just feeling sad & misunderstood, which KD also seems to embrace more than most.
Obviously, I have no inside info on this but it really seems to me like Durant got really shitty guidance/advice from someone (I would put a big bet on Rich Kleinman, who got a pretty big boost in popularity as well as business connects from the move) and instead of questioning their motives decided to lash out at the public and the media. But yet again, he obviously desperately cares what the public and media think about him so it just doesn’t work…I mean, does someone really create burner accounts on twitter to argue with people if they don’t care?

Durant is one of my least favorite athletes ever (along with Kyrie, why they deserve each other) but he doesn’t strike me as dumb at all….and some of these things that have been widely reported (that he was shocked at the reaction when he went to Golden State and shocked that GS would forever be Curry’s team) you’d have to be a pretty big fucking moron to think.
 

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I so, so, so want them to lose to the Raptors in Toronto in the play-in game while Kyrie sits at home.
Watching the Demon Kyzuzu sitting court side as Trae Young shoots the Nets out of the playoffs guarantees us all the maximum amount of entertainment.
 

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Obviously, I have no inside info on this but it really seems to me like Durant got really shitty guidance/advice from someone (I would put a big bet on Rich Kleinman, who got a pretty big boost in popularity as well as business connects from the move) and instead of questioning their motives decided to lash out at the public and the media. But yet again, he obviously desperately cares what the public and media think about him so it just doesn’t work…I mean, does someone really create burner accounts on twitter to argue with people if they don’t care?

Durant is one of my least favorite athletes ever (along with Kyrie, why they deserve each other) but he doesn’t strike me as dumb at all….and some of these things that have been widely reported (that he was shocked at the reaction when he went to Golden State and shocked that GS would forever be Curry’s team) you’d have to be a pretty big fucking moron to think.
He doesn't strike me as dumb but he does strike me as unaware. I'm guessing he doesn't get much negative feedback in his inner circle.
 

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Watching the Demon Kyzuzu sitting court side as Trae Young shoots the Nets out of the playoffs guarantees us all the maximum amount of entertainment.
It will be funnier if instead of Trae it's like, Terry Rozier.
 

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Obviously, I have no inside info on this but it really seems to me like Durant got really shitty guidance/advice from someone (I would put a big bet on Rich Kleinman, who got a pretty big boost in popularity as well as business connects from the move) and instead of questioning their motives decided to lash out at the public and the media. But yet again, he obviously desperately cares what the public and media think about him so it just doesn’t work…I mean, does someone really create burner accounts on twitter to argue with people if they don’t care?

Durant is one of my least favorite athletes ever (along with Kyrie, why they deserve each other) but he doesn’t strike me as dumb at all….and some of these things that have been widely reported (that he was shocked at the reaction when he went to Golden State and shocked that GS would forever be Curry’s team) you’d have to be a pretty big fucking moron to think.
I think "The Victory Machine" did a pretty good job explaining how Durant went from OKC Durant to the guy we see now. He seemed really naive at how his move from OKC to Golden State would be received and then developed the chip on his shoulder that he lugs around to this day. If I am remembering the book correctly, he cares a ton about the public's perception of him. The whole "whatever" act is super phony; see the creation of burner accounts on Twitter for evidence of that.

View: https://www.amazon.com/Victory-Machine-Unmaking-Warriors-Dynasty-ebook/dp/B07W3M5TT1
 

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Sources: Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving will be cleared for home games as New York City will on Thursday change private sector vaccine mandate to allow exemption for athletes and entertainers in workplace. Unvaccinated Yankees and Mets players also now eligible for home games.
 

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Pfff..,. Exceptions for athletes and entertainers seems a little ridiculous. They can still interact with the public
 

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I am looking forward to Kyrie getting ready for his triumphant return to The Barclay Center then catching a mild case of covid and being ruled out by the NBA covid protocol.
 

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Kyrie being Kyrie in the postgame interview in Brooklyn:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mql0JUCK82Q
“That’s the only thing that I’m really focused on, is the now and getting back ready for the next game and just going from there,” Irving said. “But the point of this season for me was never to just take a stand. It was really to make sure I’m standing on what I believe in and freedom. Freedom. I don’t think that’s a word that gets defined enough in our society, about the freedom to make choices in your life without someone telling you what the (expletive) to do.”
“So I’m standing for freedom, so that’s in all facets of my life and there’s nobody that’s enslaving me,” Irving said. “There’s nobody telling me what I’m going to do with my life and that’s just the way I am.”
 

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Kyrie being Kyrie in the postgame interview in Brooklyn:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mql0JUCK82Q
“That’s the only thing that I’m really focused on, is the now and getting back ready for the next game and just going from there,” Irving said. “But the point of this season for me was never to just take a stand. It was really to make sure I’m standing on what I believe in and freedom. Freedom. I don’t think that’s a word that gets defined enough in our society, about the freedom to make choices in your life without someone telling you what the (expletive) to do.”
“So I’m standing for freedom, so that’s in all facets of my life and there’s nobody that’s enslaving me,” Irving said. “There’s nobody telling me what I’m going to do with my life and that’s just the way I am.”
Do you pay taxes?
Do you wear a seat belt?
Do you stop at red lights?

I though you loved “freedom”?
 

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I read tha comments above about Kryie being one of the most liked players in the NBA. That was news to me and I wonder how such a thing is measured. Definitely less scientific than wins above replacement value, I suspect. I get that Tatum likes him and take the point that with the Cs playing as well as they are, focusing inordinate attention on any opposing player is kind of besides the point.

All that said, the above video is Exhibit A on Kyrie being exceptionally pretentious, ego drive and not nearly as smart as he outwardly thinks he is. He essentially said "I'm gonna do what I want, all of the time" in a more words than that. And that is fine, he has the right to do that.

Except when you play a team sport, and your exceptional stance results in one of the key players on the team missing at least half of your team's games, you might want to look a little beyond yourself.

I don't dislike Kyrie cause he chose to leave the Cs. Players move on for lots of reasons. But Kryie struck me es a destructive force when he played for the Celtics. His talent was awesome but the team played better without him a lot of the time, he chose to have a dental procedure (I believe) when his teammates played in Game 7 and was not on the bench to offer veteran support to a young team and then his whole Hamlet routine when he could have just kept his mouth shut and left at the end of his own volition.

And while I get Tatum silencing the crowd when a Boston player is shooting free throws (and sure, maybe it ran deeper than that), I sure hope that Celtics fans continue to boo the shit out of him in the years to come. Who knows how much it affected his performance but we know that his last game in Boston was not his best, and maybe the booing played a role. Maybe. That is reason alone to boo him in my book.

PS: Booing "villains," even when the guys on the team your root for embrace them, is one of the time honored traditions of sports fans. Fun sure is fun.
 
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Nash already knows this better than just about anyone.
The thing that would have infuriated me if I was associated with the Nets was when Kyzuzu bitched about having to talk to the media about the Harden trade when he didn’t have all of the facts or the timeline.
I mean how is it possible to have that little self-awareness
 

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The thing that would have infuriated me if I was associated with the Nets was when Kyzuzu bitched about having to talk to the media about the Harden trade when he didn’t have all of the facts or the timeline.
I mean how is it possible to have that little self-awareness
Wasn’t the Kyrie thing done bc that’s what Durant wanted? He was the only one I recall having Kyrie’s back when he called for the Mayor to “figure it out” Does Durant run the city since Adams adjusted the mandate the following week? Lol
 

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Wasn’t the Kyrie thing done bc that’s what Durant wanted? He was the only one I recall having Kyrie’s back when he called for the Mayor to “figure it out” Does Durant run the city since Adams adjusted the mandate the following week? Lol
More like Aaron Judge runs the city since it was looking like he wasn't going to be able to play.
 

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I don't read much NY media unless Abbey posts it in the Yankee forum. Have there been any updates on Simmons and his balky back? I'm wondering if he'll be back this season at all.
 

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Thanks.

I (almost) feel bad for Nash. KD, Irving, Simmons. What a trio to depend on.
I don’t think they are counting on Simmons at all at this point. It seems like the plan may have been to bring him back with a full camp in the fall. That’s what it kinda sounds like to me.
 

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I don’t think they are counting on Simmons at all at this point. It seems like the plan may have been to bring him back with a full camp in the fall. That’s what it kinda sounds like to me.
No new insight here, but I’m still of the opinion the back problem is air cover for him not being mentally ready to tackle the rigors of playing in front of the world.

The stigmatization of mental health challenges means this will probably remain opaque, but I think the league is more fun with BS on the court, so I’m hoping he can get the help he needs for himself and the game.

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It’s always good to have a villain(s). Who were the last true villains we had at the Garden since Laimbeer? I can’t think of one who was a higher tier V than Kyrie and certainly not one who played for the Celtics.
 

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Am I the only one who actually thinks Kyrie comes off better in those clips than expected? There appears to be at least some semblance of self-awareness (“all’s fair in competition”, “there’s no hostility it’s just entertainment”) compared to his usual complaints about subtle racism and scorned girlfriend.
 

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It’s always good to have a villain(s). Who were the last true villains we had at the Garden since Laimbeer? I can’t think of one who was a higher tier V than Kyrie and certainly not one who played for the Celtics.
The closest I can remember as far as hated visiting team member was Jason Kidd in the 2002 and 2003 playoffs, but it’s definitely ratcheted up a notch for Kyrie.
Am I the only one who actually thinks Kyrie comes off better in those clips than expected? There appears to be at least some semblance of self-awareness (“all’s fair in competition”, “there’s no hostility it’s just entertainment”) compared to his usual complaints about subtle racism and scorned girlfriend.
Yeah, I don’t have a problem with those comments in a vacuum, but they are hilariously at odds with his earlier remarks about just moving on.
 

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The closest I can remember as far as hated visiting team member was Jason Kidd in the 2002 and 2003 playoffs, but it’s definitely ratcheted up a notch for Kyrie.
Yeah, I don’t have a problem with those comments in a vacuum, but they are hilariously at odds with his earlier remarks about just moving on.
To his credit he played incredibly well. I hope the public in large turns against him a bit because it makes it more likley they may one day call a foul on him in the 4th Q.
 

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LeBron was a rival from 08-13, but Wade was a villain. Remember when he dislocated Rondo’s arm?
 

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Rodman after he called Bird overrated is up there but Kyrie has the unique angle of saying he would stay in Boston but didn't. A bit of the old Clemens grudge matches.