You're suggesting that the Clippers wouldn't have worked out any contigent cap-clearing deals for Gallo's contract between now and July 1st?
No, I'm suggesting that most GMs won't commit themselves to deals until they see all the alternatives, and the tanking teams don't always have the help to give you. Like Cleveland, for example. And the teams that have the most open space usually have their own goals in free agency, which they usually aren't willing to sell ahead of time for a couple of low firsts.
Any of the rebuilding teams with space would agree to SGA+Gallo in advance, and eschew random vet signings. So then it's a matter of whether you can get the price lower than that, but you're definitely not going to bid against yourself and give the Celtics SGA + a first. I don't think we're going to get much further on this topic though, so I'm happy to leave off here.
Following up on this comment from ages ago, here's some more empirical.evidence for you.
The element of this martini isn’t the kind of alcohol. It is the Autocrat Coffee Syrup, for RIers to make our beloved coffee milk
Yes, I was being facetious. I have to wonder how much it costs to source that Autocrat though.
That's not quite what the article says. The actual message is that the Kyrie is not going to sign an extension with the Mavs, which is different from saying he will not re-sign with them (though he may well not), and is not actually news. The MAVs can only offer Kyrie a two year extension prior to the start of free agency. After 6/30 the Mavs can (but should not) offer him up to a five year max, other teams can offer up to 4 years. Post-trade there was never any expectation that Kyrie would extend with the Mavs, given that the impetus behind his trade demand from Brooklyn was the Nets unwillingness to offer him a long term extension.
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate it. I would guess the extra year that Dallas can offer is not much of a carrot for Kyrie.
Depends.
Thanks for that. I think he has earned $195M through last season and stands to collect about $39M this season. While Option 4 is the most lucrative I will not be surprised if he chooses a different path. Thankfully he will not be coming back to the Celtics.
Sort of hard to imagine the Mavericks offering the five-year, but who knows with Mark Cuban, and who knows what the dynamic is with Doncic?
Dallas seems to be in a no win situation. I wonder if and when they acknowledge trading for Kyrie was a mistake.
Nothing to add other than my wife asked if I was okay after lol’ing from seeing “Kyzuzu.”
They had to know he was gone if they didn't offer the 5-year max, so I bet they double down on that, and get dumber from there.
Could have had both Brunson and DFS for 4/56, which would both be among the best contracts in the game.
He also had a third that he lowballed despite his prime matching up with Dirk's, then they went to another team and immediately won the MVP.
I had to think about this for a minute. I completely forgot that Steve Nash spent six seasons with Dallas in between his stints with Phoenix.
There's a flat Earth joke in there somewhere.
The best part was that Cuban only offered Nash 4/$36m…..then turned around and signed Erick Dampier to a 7/$72m deal as a Free Agent weeks later. His excuse was that Nash had missed some time the prior year and his minutes were down…..neither of which were the case. He just F’d up and judging from the Brunson dealings hadn’t learned. Cuban has ALWAYS had an affinity for overpaying bigs and undervaluing guards….:and then moves on Kyrie of all people. This may not be a good time for him to be running a team.
Oh yeah I forgot that they lowballed Nash in order to pay Dampier, who went on an all-time contract run in the second half of the season and immediately regressed to being the mediocre big he was before as soon as he got paid by Dallas.
Yea, Dallas will double down on DUMB. Teams do it all the time, not sure why people defend Sports Executives/Owners as some sort of protected class from criticism. Sure they have more/better information than us, doesn't mean they know what to do with it. The fact is Dallas executives aren't competing with us, they are competing with sharks like Danny, Zarren, Morey, etc.
A 3yr contract to a 35yr old Javale McGee when you already have Kleber, Powell, & Woods is pretty damning evidence of that affinity.
Yeah…to add on to that, everyone loved Nash. His teammates, the city, everyone…and Cuban completely lowballed him (to an insulting degree really). Hey but at least they got Erick Dampier, the poster boy for consistency and effort
The way Dallas runs their team sounds like a nightmare. Basically a bunch of execs cozying up to Cuban to try to get his ear and influence over the team. All of the stuff surrounding Haralabob’s time there (the fact that he was even hired, the influence he gained, the kerfuffle with Nelson) points to a terribly run franchise and it’s mostly because of Cuban
He also traded for Brendan Haywood so he could sign him to a big 6-year deal and was one of those guys who overpaid the 7-foot backup center back in the day…..Evan Eschmeyer and another guy I can’t think of on top of those already mentioned. He also wasn’t afraid to take on Tyson Chandler’s contracts a couple times despite being damaged goods with his back.
Well, he actually traded for Tyson Chandler, watched him anchor a defense that nullified LeBron and The Heat in route to winning the NBA title, then DIDN'T want to pay Chandler anymore, so they traded him for flotsam to the Knicks, where he promptly made All-NBA and was the DPOY for the Knicks, while Dallas cratered without him and got swept in the first round by OKC as their "title defense." They got him back on his expiring deal a few years later (and he was pretty good for them that one year) but then he left to sign for Phoenix.
There is already chatter around Doncic though it clearly hasn't been substantiated. This whole situation is playing out in the worst way for the Mavs.
It will be hilarious when the Nets trade Bridges, Johnson, some other guy, and a bunch of Phoenix firsts for Luka as Kyzuzu is demolishing the Suns and Booker demands a trade.
I think that Kyzuzu's ability to make title contenders disappear in a puff of smoke is one of the greatest magical tricks there is.
Greater than him managing to get this thread with the positive title bumped instead of the other, more recent, thread?
Buried in this article about why the Mavericks did not re-sign Brunson, Cuban is not telegraphing his intentions."I think it's going to be at least four, if not the full five for $272 million," said Tim MacMahon on The Hoop Collective Podcast
The only question now is how long will it be before Luka asks out?
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271084/Mavericks-May-Need-To-Offer-At-Least-Four-Year-Max-To-Re-Sign-Kyrie-Irving
You can’t trade a top-5 player with 3 years of control remaining and expect fans to continue to buy tickets. I’m not sure what the Mavs’ path to near-term contention looks like, assuming it even exists, but they have no choice but to try.
