Kyrie Irving: Hardwood Magician

lovegtm

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There were no teams with $23 million in open space at the trade deadline. And the Clippers didn't unload him then (mostly because they literally didn't have the picks to trade until after the Philadelphia deal). So, sure, they could spend the early days of July that the competition (read, New York) are using to aggressively court Irving and Durant.

Or, you know, they could just deal their backup PG of the future and a middle first to the team that Kyrie plays for to land Irving in a sign & trade and sign Durant outright. Because between Williams, Harrell, Zubac, et al, they already have a pretty good surrounding cast of roleplayers for their stars.
You're suggesting that the Clippers wouldn't have worked out any contigent cap-clearing deals for Gallo's contract between now and July 1st?

I'd like the Celtics to get solid assets if Kyrie leaves too, but this feels like wishcasting. SGA would be one of the most valuable S&T pieces given up in the past 20 years, and all the Clippers have to do to avoid that is work the phones a bit for 2 months.
 

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You're suggesting that the Clippers wouldn't have worked out any contigent cap-clearing deals for Gallo's contract between now and July 1st?
No, I'm suggesting that most GMs won't commit themselves to deals until they see all the alternatives, and the tanking teams don't always have the help to give you. Like Cleveland, for example. And the teams that have the most open space usually have their own goals in free agency, which they usually aren't willing to sell ahead of time for a couple of low firsts.
 

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No, I'm suggesting that most GMs won't commit themselves to deals until they see all the alternatives, and the tanking teams don't always have the help to give you. Like Cleveland, for example. And the teams that have the most open space usually have their own goals in free agency, which they usually aren't willing to sell ahead of time for a couple of low firsts.
Any of the rebuilding teams with space would agree to SGA+Gallo in advance, and eschew random vet signings. So then it's a matter of whether you can get the price lower than that, but you're definitely not going to bid against yourself and give the Celtics SGA + a first. I don't think we're going to get much further on this topic though, so I'm happy to leave off here.
 

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You realize you're basically talking about Atlanta and Chicago, right? The other tankers are either over the cap (Cleveland, Memphis, and Washington) or lack sufficient space (New Orleans and possibly Charlotte). The others from this year's Tank Battle have plans to aggressively bid on free agents that they're not going to give up lightly (Phoenix and Orlando).

And if your point is that they're already giving up that package to whoever will take Gallinari, what are we even debating? It's just easier to make the deal with the non-competitor to get the first shoe to drop and thus directly weaken Golden State.

It's not like we're discussing trading someone like Tatum that's already demonstrated the ability to be an alpha scorer and a plus defender. We're discussing a player whose hi-end projection is third star. Gilgeous-Alexander could become an above average offensive player and a defensive asset. No matter what you think of Irving's defense, there's pretty nigh on a zero percent chance SGA ever has anything like Irving's overall impact.