Kevin Love News and Rumors
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HomeRunBaker said:
Let me try again.
Outside of LeBron James, Rich Paul had the best summer of anybody associated with the NBA in terms of his "personal brand" or whatever you want to call it. LeBron--who it should be mentioned is an investor in Paul's agency--put him front and center during one of the NBA's most followed free agency summers in history. Paul took James' meetings and was given full credit for convincing LeBron to go back to Cleveland. Thanks to the past month, Paul now likely has better name recognition than any agent in the league, despite representing all of 6 clients. If you think, even for a second, that the Cavs aren't prepared to pay Thompson as a thank you to Paul for his very public role in handing them the world's best player, you have no idea how the NBA works.
Cleveland is going to be a multi-year tax payer to pay Thompson the max? Hayward, Parsons, Monroe, Bledsoe.....this is Thompson's company and if you feel he will maximize his earnings in a limited role in Cleveland I disagree as the Cavs don't have the necessary resources to do so. Maybe they will and I'm wrong.....but i feel pretty strongly that putting up 15/10 as he grows as an offensive player on a non-elite team will be his best road to a greater deal.Grin&MartyBarret said:
It seems preposterous and goes against LeBron's need to bring in the necessary additional help to win multiple Championships that Thompson gets a favor rather than bringing in a more ready veteran for LeBron.
HomeRunBaker said:
And yet, LeBron James mentioned Tristan Thompson specifically in his letter. Look, I'm not saying there's no way Thompson gets traded or that it's necessarily a bad thing for his career/bank account, but the idea that Thompson staying in Cleveland is somehow "bad financial advice" is far from accurate. Thompson will get paid one way or another--either through a big deal as an RFA next offseason--or if no such offers are forthcoming, then by Cleveland.
BigSoxFan said:
Thompson just spent 3 years putting up decent numbers on terrible teams. How's his stature in the league currently? Is there any reason to think a bigger contract and the same role he's had in Cleveland the last couple of years would increase his stature more than playing big playoff minutes in Cleveland would?
https://twitter.com/GeryWoelfel/status/491610730727092224
I don't buy it. They're not willing to give up picks for Love, they're not willing to give up Wiggins for Love, what do they think was going to land them Love? Doesn't pass the smell test to me.
I don't buy it. They're not willing to give up picks for Love, they're not willing to give up Wiggins for Love, what do they think was going to land them Love? Doesn't pass the smell test to me.
BigSoxFan said:
Isn't the somewhere else we're talking about Minnesota? That's what precludes him from playing playoff minutes, big or small.
Numbers get players paid not playing playoff minutes. Hayward, Monroe, Bledsoe, etcGrin&MartyBarret said:
HomeRunBaker said:
That's a huge over simplification. Hayward, for instance, got paid despite his numbers on a bad team. Those guys are getting paid on potential as much as they are on "numbers." And for some reason, you're assuming that Thompson puts up bad numbers if he stays in Cleveland and good numbers in Minnesota, neither of which are certainties. Or, do you think NBA front offices don't understand rate stats? Regardless though, nobody is addressing my actual argument, which is that Tristan Thompson will get paid one way or another, because his agent just hand delivered the world's best player to the team that holds Thompson's rights. If you think that won't play a role, you're being naive.
Yeah, I understand that argument. I think he gets a big contract either way , because of who his agent is. My only disagreement here, really, is with the idea that he has to put up numbers to get paid. If he doesn't get paid by somebody else in RFA next summer, the Cavs will make sure he and his agent-- mostly his agent--ard happy. That's my major point.BigSoxFan said:
Whether he plays behind Love or not, Thompson will get plenty of minutes should he remain in Cleveland this year. He is currently one of three bigs on the roster. One of those bigs is Haywood. If the Cavaliers trade for Love, he will be the first man off the bench.
jon abbey said:
There's 96 minutes a game at the 4 & 5 combined---especially given Gasol's mileage doesn't that seem workable to you? Figure in some injuries and I don't think it's a huge issue.
I still think it would be really dumb to trade away their only other decent wing defender along with Lebron. (I have never heard any basketball plan as dumb as having Lebron being the only wing defender on the team while also sometimes playing center in a Lebron-Love front court.) But it would be absolutely hilarious if they end up riding Lebron into the floor playing 42 minutes per game and demanding he solve all of their problems on defense, followed by Lebron exercising his opt out and going elsewhere next year.
Saunders would be an absolute fool to turn down Wiggins/Bennett and two #1 picks for Love (reported offer on Twitter).
That is a huge haul for the Wolves.
That is a huge haul for the Wolves.
To me if the rumored deals with Chicago are real it actually pulls Cleveland's offer down and increases the pressure on Minny to accept what is on the table from the CAvs. I think the deal is pretty obvious from the beginning: Wiggins/Bennett and draft picks. 1st rounders aren't nothing, so I can both see Minn pretending to insist on more than one 1st and Cleve pretending to refuse. At the end, I think it's a game of chicken and both would do the deal either way. But an offer like Chicago's of solid NBA players/no hope of future transformation to me just reinforces Cleveland's position which comes down to: you clearly aren't getting close to what we're offering from any other team, so we can just wait until you take what is definitely the superior offer, be it with 1 or with 2 first rounders. And until you do so you better hope that LBJ doesn't fall in love w Wiggins once they start practicing and we decide no deal w/ Wiggins in it.BigSoxFan said:
This looks like a prelude to Love to CLE:
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 6m
Utah's trading John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy to Cleveland for Carrick Felix, future 2nd and $1M, sources tell Yahoo.
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojYahooNBA 6m
Utah's trading John Lucas, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy to Cleveland for Carrick Felix, future 2nd and $1M, sources tell Yahoo.
I thought this was funny
http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-cavaliers-agree-to-trade-andrew-wiggins-l,36500/
http://www.theonion.com/articles/breaking-cavaliers-agree-to-trade-andrew-wiggins-l,36500/
jon abbey said:
Here's the full article: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavs-looking-for-trade-parts-for-deal-for-kevin-love-185536749.html. In addition to the stuff about a potential Love trade, Wojo also states: "The Cavaliers have been offering future first-round picks for an experienced center, league sources said."
I'm sure LeBron is trying to put the whole band back together - maybe we can trade Joel Anthony for a future #1 pick. Get 'er done DA.
Most folks who have watched Mirotic think he's the real deal: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1447169-meet-nikola-mirotic-the-best-chicago-bulls-asset-not-named-derrick-rose
Rumor that the Celtics could be a third team in a deal for Love. I think the articles suggestion that our picks could be involved is a strange one though? Who on Minnesota or Cleveland might we be getting for talent? Isn't it more likely the non-guaranteed salaries are what is involved?
Here's one scenario:
Boston sends Rondo, Bogans, and one or more picks to Cleveland for Irving. Cleveland then sends picks, Bogans, Lucas, Thomas, Murphy (all nonguaranteed) Wiggins, Bennett, etc. to MN and takes back Love, Dieng (to back up Varejao) and at least one of MN's unwanted contracts (e.g. KMart). Cleveland has Rondo, LeBron, Love, Varejao and KMart for a title run, plus any other players they didn't have to send out as fodder to make the salaries match. The trade checkers do not yet reflect Irving's new max deal, but I bet the pieces could be made to fit under the traded player rules.
Or maybe Boston throws in Faverani if Cleveland would prefer his expiring deal to Dieng's longer deal.
Boston sends Rondo, Bogans, and one or more picks to Cleveland for Irving. Cleveland then sends picks, Bogans, Lucas, Thomas, Murphy (all nonguaranteed) Wiggins, Bennett, etc. to MN and takes back Love, Dieng (to back up Varejao) and at least one of MN's unwanted contracts (e.g. KMart). Cleveland has Rondo, LeBron, Love, Varejao and KMart for a title run, plus any other players they didn't have to send out as fodder to make the salaries match. The trade checkers do not yet reflect Irving's new max deal, but I bet the pieces could be made to fit under the traded player rules.
Or maybe Boston throws in Faverani if Cleveland would prefer his expiring deal to Dieng's longer deal.
Waiters has to be leaving Cleveland in any deal as he's the one obvious poor fit there. That would give us a young explosive shot creator that we desperately needed last year. Tristan Thompson?
HomeRunBaker said:
Basketball wise or because he and Irving don't get along? Who plays guard besides Irving if they trade both Wiggins and Waiters?
Edit: Actually, never mind, they take back Kevin Martin who is a better fit for the next few years anyway. So agreed that Waiters is high on the list of secondary pieces you'd like to include.
I think Waiters is a good fit if they return him to the role he played in college, sixth man. He can be the first option on the second unit on the rare instances when Lebron and Irving both sit and the second option in other situations. Plus one would think Lebron has the gravitas to squash whatever dispute exists between Waiters and Irving (unless of course one of them slept with the other's mom).HomeRunBaker said:
Report: Celtics 'moving on' from Kevin Love trade talks http://t.co/3h3O6nNvOJ
— Matt Moore CBS (@MattMooreCBS) July 23, 2014
— Matt Moore CBS (@MattMooreCBS) July 23, 2014
That pretty much became true the second Lucky popped out of the #6 envelope. I do hope they can sneak in as the third team and snag an asset or two(again).
Yeah the market increased past where the Celtics can be competitive.......
the minute Ainge made the shuffling of the deck deal with Cleveland to increase the market. Didn't see this coming.
the minute Ainge made the shuffling of the deck deal with Cleveland to increase the market. Didn't see this coming.
HomeRunBaker said:
Are you saying that Ainge shouldn't have made that deal and see if another team would have facilitated the deal or, in the other scenario, let LBJ go back to Miami?
In the first case - where some other team facilitates the deal - DA is still stuck because the Cavs still have better assets for Love.
And if the Cavs could never clear cap space to get LeBron (pretty doubtful given all they did to get him), well, we're in an entirely different universe so no one knows what might happen. But personally, I'm happier that LBJ is in CLE than MIA.
I don't even agree he puts up decent numbers - any metric that considers shooting efficiency thinks he's pretty bad.BigSoxFan said:
Davis wasn't on the 06-07 C's. He was playing with KG in Minnesota, which may have helped motivate KG's desire to leave. I thank him for that. The Minnesota roster was an absolute trainwreck in 06-07. As has been said before, it's hard to believe KG didn't murder Blount for his complete and total suckage.Devizier said:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisri01.html
Waiters is exactly the same age as Shabazz Napier, Doug McDermott, Adreian Peyne and Cleanthony Early. I can't definitively say that any of those guys will have better careers than him and we probably would have been happy to get any one of them for our roster scraps or as a throw-in to a bigger trade.
Age has little to do with it. Waiters feuds with teammates (Irving), hogs the ball, takes bad shots, doesn't play defense and doesn't hustle much (as far as I can see). The Celtics just paid $32 million to resign a guy who plays his position (Bradley), signed another guy who can play his position (Turner), just expended two first round picks on guys who could play his position (Smart and Young) and still have another sg their roster (Johnson) who may not be nearly as talented as Waiters but plays his ass off.
There are half a dozen free agents who could be signed for the veterans minimum that I'd rather have than Waiters. Maybe if the Cavs would give me Waiters and Tristan Thompson for Crash I might change my mind, but I certainly would not give even a top 59 protected 2nd round pick to acquire Ricky Davis redux, which is what Waiters is.
There are half a dozen free agents who could be signed for the veterans minimum that I'd rather have than Waiters. Maybe if the Cavs would give me Waiters and Tristan Thompson for Crash I might change my mind, but I certainly would not give even a top 59 protected 2nd round pick to acquire Ricky Davis redux, which is what Waiters is.