Just What is Apex Mountain: Rewatchables discussion thread

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Yeah what do you want him to say? "Goddamn, Andy, I didn't know you spent time at the Stallion! Gonna spend a looooong time in the hospital with those lesions" It's not what you want to hear.
It’s not?
 

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Could also be that CR thought it could come off a bit distasteful given the subject matter
Or maybe doing it with Wesley Morris on the pod. I’m not saying Ryan’s bit is racist BTW – but has he done it when Van Latham guests?

I’m about a third of the way into this and enjoying it. It’s cool to hear two hetero white guys and a gay Black man discuss how society’s perceptions of homosexuality and the AIDS crisis have changed over the last thirty years and the role this movie played in that journey.

I had also forgotten that Denzel had warned Will Smith off of any explicit scenes as a gay man in Six Degrees of Separation.
 

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Or maybe doing it with Wesley Morris on the pod. I’m not saying Ryan’s bit is racist BTW – but has he done it when Van Latham guests?

I’m about a third of the way into this and enjoying it. It’s cool to hear two hetero white guys and a gay Black man discuss how society’s perceptions of homosexuality and the AIDS crisis have changed over the last thirty years and the role this movie played in that journey.

I had also forgotten that Denzel had warned Will Smith off of any explicit scenes as a gay man in Six Degrees of Separation.
Racist? Unless there's something I don't know about Jon Bernthal, I don't get this.
 

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Larry David brought up an interesting question on Bill’s podcast related to the Rewatchables. He asked Bill why they don’t tell people in advance what movies are going to appear on the pod. Bill squirmed and didn’t really provide a substantive answer but I think LD raises a good point. Wouldn’t it make more sense to announce the upcoming movie on like a Friday to allow people time to watch it before the pod comes out on Tuesday?
 

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It’s been brought up multiple times here and other places I’ve seen. Chris Ryan and Fennessey have both brought it up and mentioned it in episodes before. It’s very frustrating but he’s been stubborn about this for years. It makes no sense
 

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Zero sense. Announce it on Thursday, hype it all weekend, play clips from the show/movie, etc on social media. Release the pod on Tuesday.
 

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Makes sense. If everyone has recently rewatched the movie, more precision and research is required. If you just kinda wanna wing it and rely on everyone’s faulty memory, then don’t give a heads up.
 

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I knew Bernthal mostly from Punisher or Wolf of WS, so it was wild realizing Wayne Jenkins isn’t far from his actual accent.
 

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Makes sense. If everyone has recently rewatched the movie, more precision and research is required. If you just kinda wanna wing it and rely on everyone’s faulty memory, then don’t give a heads up.
I suspect this is it. Also, if it's truly a rewatchable, the expectation is that everyone has probably seen it multiple times already and they don't really need the refresher.

I usually only listen to the episodes for movies that I've seen before. If a new pod drops and I haven't seen the movie, I delete it from the playlist. If it's something I've seen and I want to watch again before I listen, I can put off listening until I do. Usually though, the episodes I choose to listen to are movies I've seen enough to listen without a refresher. I've probably gone back and rewatched a movie because I listened to the pod more often than tried to rewatch in preparation to listen.
 

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Racist? Unless there's something I don't know about Jon Bernthal, I don't get this.
What an odd stray that was. I guess when in doubt, call someone racist?

And on Simmons not telling people the movie in advance, it's just an only child, "i'm holding onto my toys and you can't play with them" kind of attitude. Plus Marciano is right, too. If people have the movie fresh in their minds, Simmons will sound even dumber than he already sounds.
 

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It’s stupid he doesn’t give advanced notice but the idea he’s doing it so he can pull wool over listeners eyes (ears?) is also stupid.
 

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I only listen to the occasional episode, but if it's one that involves a movie I like and haven't watched in a while, I'll wait to listen until after I've had a chance to rewatch it. Same thing with the Andy Greenwald last TV episode podcast, although he has started identifying the show in advance on the Watch.
 

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Ok, feel free to skip right on past me explicitly saying it wasn’t racist.
In fairness, doing the "I'm not saying it's X, but..." is kind of walking a tightrope. If it's so non-racist why even qualify it?
 

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It’s stupid he doesn’t give advanced notice but the idea he’s doing it so he can pull wool over listeners eyes (ears?) is also stupid
Right…does anyone treat the pod as like a serious piece of film criticism. This isn’t Siskel and Ebert here. It’s three guys basically shooting the shit around made up categories for an hour and a half.
 

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The show would be significantly better if Wesley Morris were on every episode. Also, on The Insider pod, Bill and Chris kept being like "People used to smoke, even though it's bad for you. But I remember when they started talking about cigarettes being bad for you..." The Insider isn't about a guy who reveals that cigarettes are bad you. He basically revealed that the cigarette companies were drug pushers who used sophisticated science to get and keep people addicted. In a podcast that had a lot of good stuff, it was strange that nobody was like "here's what he actually blew the whistle about." I did dig the 5 minutes of Pacino impressions at the end, though.
 

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Makes sense. If everyone has recently rewatched the movie, more precision and research is required. If you just kinda wanna wing it and rely on everyone’s faulty memory, then don’t give a heads up.
I think this pretty much nails it
 

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Larry David brought up an interesting question on Bill’s podcast related to the Rewatchables. He asked Bill why they don’t tell people in advance what movies are going to appear on the pod. Bill squirmed and didn’t really provide a substantive answer but I think LD raises a good point.
He actually said “You don’t tell people what’s going to happen before a new Curb episode comes out!”

To which Larry (rightly) responded with that’s a ridiculous comparison because the movie has already been made and seen whereas a new Curb episode hasn’t been seen by anyone
 

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Little late to this debate but I personally love listening to the pod first, then watching it through the lens of the discussion and with some added knowledge on what to look out for upon the next viewing...
 

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Live from every warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse, and doghouse in Chicago, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Mallory Rubin kick off the 'Rewatchables' Cold Weather Tour by revisiting the timeless classic ‘The Fugitive,’ starring Harrison Ford and Tommy Lee Jones.
 

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Live from every warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse, and doghouse in Chicago, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Mallory Rubin kick off the 'Rewatchables' Cold Weather Tour by revisiting the timeless classic ‘The Fugitive,’ starring Harrison Ford and Tommy Lee Jones.
They previously did the Fugitive back in 2017. Makes sense to re-run some of the earlier big movies they did with the benefit of all the categories, etc., plus CR dropping Wayne into the middle of Chicago somewhere.
 

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They previously did the Fugitive back in 2017. Makes sense to re-run some of the earlier big movies they did with the benefit of all the categories, etc., plus CR dropping Wayne into the middle of Chicago somewhere.
I'm a little bummed that all of the tour movies were "Re-Rewatchables", because I'm guessing that's all we're getting for the next few weeks.
 

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I'm a little bummed that all of the tour movies were "Re-Rewatchables", because I'm guessing that's all we're getting for the next few weeks.
I might be in the minority here but I prefer them doing re-rewatchables of some of the popular movies they did in the early days of the pod vs. doing new rewatchables of more obscure movies. If you look back, they left a lot of meat in the bone as those early pods were typically only an hour long with categories that were less developed.
 

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Am I the only one who hasn't seen like, any of these movies anymore? I get that it likely caters to a specific age range, which leads to a lot of movies from the late 80s and into the 90s, but out of the last 30 episodes of the Rewatchables, I have seen only four of the movies. And I like to think I've watched a lot of movies. It just seems like the selection is really limited to certain kinds of movies and instead of expanding the types of movies, it's just dipping further and further into the well of 80s/90s action movies and rom coms.
 

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Am I the only one who hasn't seen like, any of these movies anymore? I get that it likely caters to a specific age range, which leads to a lot of movies from the late 80s and into the 90s, but out of the last 30 episodes of the Rewatchables, I have seen only four of the movies. And I like to think I've watched a lot of movies. It just seems like the selection is really limited to certain kinds of movies and instead of expanding the types of movies, it's just dipping further and further into the well of 80s/90s action movies and rom coms.
There's a tendency for them to do this, but they do make really interesting choices sometimes. It's not a lost cause by any means. The "naughty november" or whatever they called it was a nice departure. I think they have done a couple theme months that were refreshing choices.
 

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Am I the only one who hasn't seen like, any of these movies anymore? I get that it likely caters to a specific age range, which leads to a lot of movies from the late 80s and into the 90s, but out of the last 30 episodes of the Rewatchables, I have seen only four of the movies. And I like to think I've watched a lot of movies. It just seems like the selection is really limited to certain kinds of movies and instead of expanding the types of movies, it's just dipping further and further into the well of 80s/90s action movies and rom coms.
Out of curiosity, is it........

National Lampoons (OG and Xmas)
American PIe
A Few Good Men?

I was surprised at your number but looked back and there are certainly more than few obscure ones. I was at 21.
 

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Out of curiosity, is it........

National Lampoons (OG and Xmas)
American PIe
A Few Good Men?

I was surprised at your number but looked back and there are certainly more than few obscure ones. I was at 21.
They were American Pie, The Equalizer, Silver Linings Playbook and Philadelphia.
 

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Interesting. With the exception of the Sean Penn Bad Boys, which I had legit never heard of, I think I've seen every one of these movies except Flight, Sudden Death, and They Live. I have a big blind spot for action movies, so generally when they have Kyle Brandt on, I have to sit those out. I think some of the movies they've been picking are pretty meh. Blood Diamond? Of all the movies that exist, that's definitely one of them. I suppose that's attributable to their incredible man crush on Leonardo DiCaprio, but I saw that movie once and could not tell you a thing about it. I'm pretty sure it takes place in Africa. Mr. and Mrs. Smith? Ugh. Toy Soldiers? Sea of Love seems like one that Simmons saw on Netflix and was like "Oh yeah, I remember that." I'm sure some people feel the same way about Searching for Bobby Fischer, though I really like that one.
 

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Little late to this debate but I personally love listening to the pod first, then watching it through the lens of the discussion and with some added knowledge on what to look out for upon the next viewing...
Same.

I’m literally watching The Insider right now after listening to that pod over the weekend.
 

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Interesting. With the exception of the Sean Penn Bad Boys, which I had legit never heard of, I think I've seen every one of these movies except Flight, Sudden Death, and They Live. I have a big blind spot for action movies, so generally when they have Kyle Brandt on, I have to sit those out. I think some of the movies they've been picking are pretty meh. Blood Diamond? Of all the movies that exist, that's definitely one of them. I suppose that's attributable to their incredible man crush on Leonardo DiCaprio, but I saw that movie once and could not tell you a thing about it. I'm pretty sure it takes place in Africa. Mr. and Mrs. Smith? Ugh. Toy Soldiers? Sea of Love seems like one that Simmons saw on Netflix and was like "Oh yeah, I remember that." I'm sure some people feel the same way about Searching for Bobby Fischer, though I really like that one.
Yeah, some of the above - Blood Diamond and Sea of Love for sure - are BS/CR "one for us" Pods along the lines of Proof of Life, which is a movie I enjoy but is a ridiculous decision for the podcast.

And I totally agree with @Spelunker about The Insider. If you have not seen that movie, it is really good. The pod is also fun because, among other things, it features a great bit where CR/BS impersonate Pacino's character from Heat screaming about the Knicks.
 

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Live from a park bench, The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin rewatch the 1994 classic ‘Forrest Gump,’ starring Tom Hanks, Robin Wright, and Gary Sinise.
 

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the Sean Penn Bad Boys, which I had legit never heard of
FYI this was run a ton on cable in the early 80s which is likely where Simmons first saw it. Gritty flick and the first place I saw Esai Morales who is terrific in this. Among other things it featured a turn from the actor on Seinfeld who played the cook at Jerry’s favorite eating establishment who he saw not wash his hands after taking a leak in the men’s room.

I haven’t listened to this one yet but I am 1000% convinced they must discuss this on the pod.
 

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They previously did the Fugitive back in 2017. Makes sense to re-run some of the earlier big movies they did with the benefit of all the categories, etc., plus CR dropping Wayne into the middle of Chicago somewhere.

Things that only I enjoy: I enjoy when trailers have a different line or scene that doesn't appear in the movie.

At the beginning of this pod they played the trailer and it's TLJ doing the "every henhouse, outhouse" line and he says "in THIS area" and in the released movie he says "in THAT area" and I don't know what I like that.
 

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