Jrue Deal for Holiday

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While I'm not concerned about anyone else's money, if I'm in the FO's shoes I go with the still high floor of Jrue rather than either trying to save a buck and gamble some cheap 30th pick performs even a portion of what he does. Or get neither of those and try to sign the devil you don't know at a large portion of Jrue's price.

On top of that, you have a nice salary slot to trade from if you need to make a big deal a few years down the road.
 

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First, I love this deal. I was hoping they'd get both Jrue and White to take a bit of a discount, but then I realized the team would still be in the same position cap/rosterwise even if it was say $10-20 mil lower overall for both.

That being said, I think we see the same team basically for the 2 years after this one, depending obviously on outcomes and what's available. Remember KP is only signed for two more years, so they do have a player to walk away from if money becomes an issue and no easy out.

Assuming White signs, I think this also makes a PP mutual trade almost assured summer of 2025. If the band stays together, that following season will be the most expensive, and with no path to starting I think PP will want that opportunity elsewhere for the chance to. I don't think he's good enough in that role for a team with championship aspirations, but he could probably start on like a 1/3 of NBA teams, then earn a bigger contract
 

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While I'm not concerned about anyone else's money, if I'm in the FO's shoes I go with the still high floor of Jrue rather than either trying to save a buck and gamble some cheap 30th pick performs even a portion of what he does. Or get neither of those and try to sign the devil you don't know at a large portion of Jrue's price.

On top of that, you have a nice salary slot to trade from if you need to make a big deal a few years down the road.
If BOS needs to reduce salaries, they are going to have to get some assets back. Jrue's contract should be positive value for at least a couple of years. The extension was a no-brainer. Hoping they win a title (or more than one) to make Wyc keep spending the money!
 

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Not my money, but a bit surprised at the amount considering he's going to be 34 in two months. I realize that it's not like you can just use the $34M to sign a free agent off the street, but how much production can we expect out of his age 36/37 seasons? Cross our fingers for the SG version of Horford?
 

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Talking ownership math, the other thing to note is a great time to sell high is after a couple titles with a core intact. So that is also a possible scenario (or, if one is cynical, part of the plan).

But my guess remains they just want to win and have decided to spend for a few years, and likely have made plenty since they last paid heavy taxes anyway
The league opening up to foreign money and that is only going to help valuations. If ownership wants to monetize some of their returns perhaps they can sell shares to passive foreign money. I am guessing any east coast NBA team would be attractive to investors from Europe or maybe even the Middle East who actually want to enjoy their asset.

These franchises have been amazing investments and given how sticky they are as "content" its hard to see that changing anytime soon.
 

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I feel great about having Jrue's production for 1-3 more years, and Jrue's salary to upgrade via picks if the right guy comes free.
 

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Bobby Marks gets into CAP/Apron talk for those interested

Part of Brad's secret sauce is sprinkling depth behind the TOP5.
Good to see someone in the NBA Media is saying the Celtic bench is source of strength

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoorkiQiOag


Jrue's salary to upgrade via picks if the right guy comes free.
Right, good point. Brad can slap a First + Swap to Holiday in 2yrs to upgrade

Getting Jrue at $30MM next season actually adds more flexibility down the road
 

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Also, just to calibrate, this deal will be about 20% of the cap, where his old one was 27%. If he ages at all ok, that's a very solid deal.
 

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u guys have a 3 year window this playoff plus 2 more years after
Thing is at that point Tatum is all of 28 lol, and you can probably swing Brown into significant assets and are one additional signing from another contender if cards and played correctly.
 

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Hopefully this puts and end to the "Celtics owners might cheap out" and "Celtics owners might not be as liquid as everything thinks" bullshit line of conversation.

Say what you want about these guys, but they're willing to spend and want to win.
 

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Hopefully this puts and end to the "Celtics owners might cheap out" and "Celtics owners might not be as liquid as everything thinks" bullshit line of conversation.

Say what you want about these guys, but they're willing to spend and want to win.
They are, though this is also a significant money saving move short term, so even if they WERE in financial constraints, would make sense to do it and make 2026 problems 2026 problems (you can always do what I assume the Dodgers owners plan to do.... win your rings then sell some or all of your stake when the bill comes due.
 

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u guys have a 3 year window this playoff plus 2 more years after
At the very least

Tatum's Super Max extension means a 6-year window. Both JAYs body types should age well.

Brad/Zarren are good at roster building, as long as they are around they'll be competitive.
 

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Thing is at that point Tatum is all of 28 lol, and you can probably swing Brown into significant assets and are one additional signing from another contender if cards and played correctly.
They've held on to so many picks (only owe one future 1st) that, at this point, Holiday is the likely guy to get traded at that point.
 

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They've held on to so many picks (only owe one future 1st) that, at this point, Holiday is the likely guy to get traded at that point.
Correct. Nothing changed there. Small subset of posters will continue to put Jaylen into trades…its not happening nor should it
 

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Correct. Nothing changed there. Small subset of posters will continue to put Jaylen into trades…its not happening nor should it
I was very very on the "trade Jaylen" train until his leap this year, and I had been a Jaylen guy for awhile.

He just got too good. He's a clear All-NBA pick and only 27. Can't trade that except for a couple guys.

Jrue is now a great matching contract who is also a somewhat positive asset. That's what you trade, eventually.
 

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Basketball strategy is my jam. This sort of thing, i.e. NBA team building with the cap is not. It seems the idea is build around a young core of great players (Tatum plus Brown), sign and trade for good or very good veterans (getting Horford and White), draft late for future role players (Pritchard plus Hauser - not drafted but still), keep the new core, then upgrade around the margins (many here). To this layman, this seems the antithesis of how several superstar teams have been constructed over the past decade though I'm sure there are other current great teams who have also followed this model.

I guess my question is is Hauser really extendable? If we assume Tatum gets the max, which he will, and White is also resigned, which should cost a lot. Hauser to me seems to be dream-ish considering he's 6'8 and just now rounding into form and plays (for his skillset) good defense even if not great defense.

I guess I'm saying Hauser seems to be a luxury. A luxury I'd love to have for the foreseeable future but also replaceable-ish as a shooter but not at his size and his ability to hold his own defensively.
 

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Basketball strategy is my jam. This sort of thing, i.e. NBA team building with the cap is not. It seems the idea is build around a young core of great players (Tatum plus Brown), sign and trade for good or very good veterans (getting Horford and White), draft late for future role players (Pritchard plus Hauser - not drafted but still), keep the new core, then upgrade around the margins (many here). To this layman, this seems the antithesis of how several superstar teams have been constructed over the past decade though I'm sure there are other current great teams who have also followed this model.

I guess my question is is Hauser really extendable? If we assume Tatum gets the max, which he will, and White is also resigned, which should cost a lot. Hauser to me seems to be dream-ish considering he's 6'8 and just now rounding into form and plays (for his skillset) good defense even if not great defense.

I guess I'm saying Hauser seems to be a luxury. A luxury I'd love to have for the foreseeable future but also replaceable-ish as a shooter but not at his size and his ability to hold his own defensively.
I'd be shocked if Brad didn't extend Hauser this summer
 

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They are, though this is also a significant money saving move short term, so even if they WERE in financial constraints, would make sense to do it and make 2026 problems 2026 problems (you can always do what I assume the Dodgers owners plan to do.... win your rings then sell some or all of your stake when the bill comes due.
Yeah, this is a lot cheaper in the short term so it's a move they almost had to make.

I still think the 2025-2026 season is going to be financially interesting, I find it hard to believe this current starting 5 is still the starting 5 at that point. Maybe if we're going for a 3 peat is would be, but otherwise it might be hard to rationalize those numbers.

Brad should be able to move off at least 1 of these these deals to re-stock at a lower price point if needed.
 

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I was hoping they would get Jrue for something less than $30 million per. I'm a big fan of his game (except the occasional boneheaded turnover) and he has developed a deadly corner shot, so I'm hoping this works out. I was thinking they might wait until the season played out to figure out what they wanted to do, but I imagine Jrue's agent was pressing to get this wrapped up.
 

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Yes he is, but if they win it all he could easily hang it up. Tradeable deal if need be too.
Horford plays with evident joy, appears to be beloved by his teammates and coaches, and is an important part of this team’s core. He also chose to sign the specific extension, including the number of years, that he did. I suppose anything is possible but I would be shocked if Al is not with this team through the end of next year.
 

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I was hoping they would get Jrue for something less than $30 million per. I'm a big fan of his game (except the occasional boneheaded turnover) and he has developed a deadly corner shot, so I'm hoping this works out. I was thinking they might wait until the season played out to figure out what they wanted to do, but I imagine Jrue's agent was pressing to get this wrapped up.
Last fall, Brad mentioned they were keeping an eye on the Damion Lillard situation, knowing that PDX would eventually end up with a pricey but talented player. As soon as Jrue Holiday was available, 99% chance Brad/Glushon spoke extension parameters. Six months after the trade they ironed out the details.

A ~$30M/yr extension seemed FAIR ($38M + 3/90M extension for a total of $128M was slightly less than the $135M).

BUT ripping up Jrue's player option year of $38M to start next year at $30M is probably as good as Brad/Zarren could pull off.
 
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Is Pagliuca richer than Wyc? I’d never stopped to consider that.
I'm not the authority on this but I know somewhere in the forum this year it was said that Pags has done extremely well lately and of the two he is certainly more liquid than Wyc.
 

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I'm not the authority on this but I know somewhere in the forum this year it was said that Pags has done extremely well lately and of the two he is certainly more liquid than Wyc.
After reading their Wikipedia entries, I suspect that you might be right. Wyc seems as though he's focusing less on businesses these days outside the Celtics (though he has partnered on a tequila with Michael Jordan!) than Pagliuca is.
 

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I'm glad to see Jrue's deal, but y'all seem much more optimistic on DWhite than I am. I don't want to see it, but I can certainly see them thinking that with Jrue in the fold and PP's development, that they can let DWhite leave if the money gets too high.
 

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Yea the googs claims Wyc is in the 400 million range, While Pags is in the 4 Billion range.
 

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I'm glad to see Jrue's deal, but y'all seem much more optimistic on DWhite than I am. I don't want to see it, but I can certainly see them thinking that with Jrue in the fold and PP's development, that they can let DWhite leave if the money gets too high.
It would be the opposite: they'd trade Jrue.

The Celtics know that you lock the guys up first if they're positive assets, and then figure it out later.

Brad did exactly this with Smart: extended him asap, and then traded him for significant positive value two years later.
 

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Hopefully this puts and end to the "Celtics owners might cheap out" and "Celtics owners might not be as liquid as everything thinks" bullshit line of conversation.

Say what you want about these guys, but they're willing to spend and want to win.
boston has always had great ownship in baketball
 

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i meant red
it's true that Red was involved with the Celtics in at least some capacity from 1950-2006, and was pretty actively involved in big decisions until at least the 1997-2001 timeframe. But we did have a pretty dark decade from Reggie Lewis's passing in 1993 and ML Carr taking over as GM in 1994 up until Danny Ainge was made GM after Wyc's acquisition of the team.

I think you're right to focus on ownership. Quality ownership with deep pockets, a long-term vision, and most importantly a steady hand on the till, has been the under-discussed key to the Red Sox, Patriots and Celtics' relative success in Boston's golden era of sports. The upgrade from Gaston to Grousbeck, Pags and the Epsteins has been massive.