Jaylen Comments on the Trade

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JB on the trade: https://sports.yahoo.com/jaylen-brown-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-well-see-good-bad-143708673.html

“It changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture,” Brown told Complex. “We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball?
 

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That JB thought it was a good idea to express quasi negative views on the trade and his turmoil about the trading of IT at this time suggests to me that he is not as smart as some have said that he is.

Not that his thoughts are not understandable. Thomas did give his heart and soul for the team, and came back from emotional and physical forms of hell to play in the playoffs.

I just see no upside in being so open now, and it makes me wonder how Irving will take it. Not exactly an UBUNTU moment.
 

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That JB thought it was a good idea to express quasi negative views on the trade and his turmoil about the trading of IT at this time suggests to me that he is not as smart as some have said that he is.

Not that his thoughts are not understandable. Thomas did give his heart and soul for the team, and came back from emotional and physical forms of hell to play in the playoffs.

I just see no upside in being so open now, and it makes me wonder how Irving will take it. Not exactly an UBUNTU moment.
Seems like an inexperience issue to me. A lot of young guys don't know when to punt a question or give a non-answer.
 

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Seems like an inexperience issue to me. A lot of young guys don't know when to punt a question or give a non-answer.
Maybe.

Not sure why this is news. Guy coming off his rookie year, sees most of his teammates traded away, wonders out loud about continuity...film at 11
 

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He did follow up with this:

“I think it’s a great opportunity for me, great opportunity for the Celtics, great opportunity for Kyrie
 

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Meh. Don’t really see the value of straining to read negative connotations into remarks from a 20 year old basketball player that aren’t all that different from things his coach has said.
 

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What did folks want Brown to say, that he was happy to see IT, Crowder, Bradley and Olynyk go? Or just say nothing?
 

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It's unclear to me that the Brooklyn pick will necessarily be better than a 29 y/o Kyrie, especially if the Brooklyn pick is in that dreaded 6-10 range, which really is a distinct possibility
As someone who did not like the Kyrie trade, even I will admit that the appeal of the Brooklyn pick is its variance rather than the expected outcome. Kyrie will probably be better than whatever player is selected with that pick. The Brooklyn pick represents a chance at a top 10 NBA player but it could also be a total bust.

If our goal is to win a title I would rather have the pick. If the goal is to maximize our wins over the next 6 years then Kyrie is the better choice.
 
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Meh. Don’t really see the value of straining to read negative connotations into remarks from a 20 year old basketball player that aren’t all that different from things his coach has said.
He also said this:
“It’s tough because it’s the business we live in. Do I agree with it? Not necessarily. I think Isaiah definitely tried to plant his flag in Boston. He will definitely be missed — he and Jae both. And Avery [Bradley], too. Those three guys are truly going to be missed. I love them and I thanked all of them for helping me out and said I’d see them down the line.”
Saying that he does not necessarily agree with a trade that brought the Cs their biggest star is not the best thing in my view.

Is it a huge deal? Of course not. But I would rather he kept that part to himself. Kyrie almost certainly gives him a pass but I think it would be better if he did not express that publicly. It's at least possible that Irving would view that comment negatively and it's at least possible that it could make the transition more difficult.

Make no mistake, it's almost certainly a blip on the screen. I just come from the perspective that you only say positive things about your existing teammates and the circumstances that brought them to the team. But I have been totally schooled by Bill Belichick on giving the media nothing from the inside.
 
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That JB thought it was a good idea to express quasi negative views on the trade and his turmoil about the trading of IT at this time suggests to me that he is not as smart as some have said that he is.

Not that his thoughts are not understandable. Thomas did give his heart and soul for the team, and came back from emotional and physical forms of hell to play in the playoffs.

I just see no upside in being so open now, and it makes me wonder how Irving will take it. Not exactly an UBUNTU moment.
He's a weird dude. I admit to being more impressed with him last year than I expected but he's also the same guy who turned down Carolina to go to Cal because he did not want the pressure/spotlight of big time college basketball. That never seemed like a great attribute, but maybe knowing he was only one year in he felt it was better to go somewhere where he could work solely on his individual skills and not have any team responsibilities.
 

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He also said this:


Saying that he does not necessarily agree with a trade that brought the Cs their biggest star is not the best thing in my view.

Is it a huge deal? Of course not. But I would rather he kept that part to himself. Kyrie almost certainly gives him a pass but I think it would be better if he did not express that publicly. It's at least possible that Irving would view that comment negatively and it's at least possible that it could make the transition more difficult.

Make no mistake, it's almost certainly a blip on the screen. I just come from the perspective that you only say positive things about your existing teammates and the circumstances that brought them to the team. But I have been totally schooled by Bill Belichick on giving the media nothing from the inside.
I think he's just young and had grown to like some guys he played with... this year seems like it'll be much better potentially ..I think we have an unselfish team overall that has a lot of talent. Should be a fun season.
 

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While I agree with everyone that these kind of comments are probably not the best for building team chemistry and he should learn that being honest to the press is not always a good idea, I still appreciate the honesty. And I agree with him. This offseason has been amazing and dramatic and fun and all, but it has also made me question being a fan. What am I actually a fan of? The players are constantly changing, the coaches change, I can't say I know the owners in any way other than name....basically, trading Isaiah broke my heart and now I'm supposed to root for the enemy?

I probably will
 

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I love these comments. The one thing all three guys -- IT, Avery, Crowder -- have in common is that they elevated their games beyond almost everyone's expectations. They each put in a ton of work to completely transform their games, played up to or way above their contracts, and were leaders on a team that significantly overachieved. Basically, they did as much as any organization could ask for. If Jaylen can't easily detach from guys he was close with, and who served as models for leadership and professionalism, that only speaks to his character and development.

I also approve of any comments from current players that obliquely check Kyrie. He's a superior talent to any of the guys we let go but the malcontent label seems to fit. The more guys who are willing to speak up and hold themselves and others accountable, the better.
 

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He's a weird dude. I admit to being more impressed with him last year than I expected but he's also the same guy who turned down Carolina to go to Cal because he did not want the pressure/spotlight of big time college basketball. That never seemed like a great attribute, but maybe knowing he was only one year in he felt it was better to go somewhere where he could work solely on his individual skills and not have any team responsibilities.
LOL, are you joking, or do you actually believe that UNC propaganda? Maybe he didn't want to come out and publicly say that he didn't want to go to a university so corrupt that the athletes enroll in fake classes. That's at least as likely as him choosing to go to Cal because "he did not want the pressure/spotlight of big time college basketball" and that he "didn't want any team responsibilities."

I didn't realize that that kind of sour grapes spin from losing a recruit that UNC boosters put out actually fooled anyone.

If you are joking, then well done, you've captured the Carolina ridiculously blind homer attitude perfectly.
 

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I mean, he's right. The whole team, including the most important pieces from previous seasons, are completely different. However, it's also up to him to create the kind of culture and environment he wants. He's not along for the ride, he gets to make this bed, too.
 

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He's a weird dude. I admit to being more impressed with him last year than I expected but he's also the same guy who turned down Carolina to go to Cal because he did not want the pressure/spotlight of big time college basketball. That never seemed like a great attribute, but maybe knowing he was only one year in he felt it was better to go somewhere where he could work solely on his individual skills and not have any team responsibilities.
Jaylen went to Cal due to the relationship he had with Cuonzo Martin, who had been recruiting him to go to Tennessee for 3 years prior to taking the Cal job. Jaylen, Ivan Rabb and Caleb Swanigan had long talked about going to the same school and when Rabb signed with Cal he was also in on the recruiting with Cuonzo to get him there. Jaylen was very clear that he choose Cal due to the weather, location, and, academics (he took a graduate course as a freshman)......and I'm sure there were other "benefits" he received but nothing ever suggested that he was afraid of the pressure, spotlight, or to not be a good teammate. None of this stuff is news, we've known it since he was drafted. The guy was captain of his high school chess team......you really think he only wanted to go to Cal solely for individual basketball goals?
 

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Well, I'm betting we'll need to get used to Jaylen expressing his opinion. It's obvious he's smart and articulate and it seems he wants to be a go-to-guy for the press and also probably wants to up his profile despite the extra pressure a high profile brings. How much ink he gets is ultimately tied to how well he plays and right now he gets about as much as "promising 2nd year player" can be expected to get. CBSSports had this as one of its top stories.
 
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Jaylen went to Cal due to the relationship he had with Cuonzo Martin, who had been recruiting him to go to Tennessee for 3 years prior to taking the Cal job. Jaylen, Ivan Rabb and Caleb Swanigan had long talked about going to the same school and when Rabb signed with Cal he was also in on the recruiting with Cuonzo to get him there. Jaylen was very clear that he choose Cal due to the weather, location, and, academics (he took a graduate course as a freshman)......and I'm sure there were other "benefits" he received but nothing ever suggested that he was afraid of the pressure, spotlight, or to not be a good teammate. None of this stuff is news, we've known it since he was drafted. The guy was captain of his high school chess team......you really think he only wanted to go to Cal solely for individual basketball goals?
I understand the spin, we've all read their version. It's hilarious to think Cuonzo Martin is the reason.

Anyway it does not matter and holds no bearing. Why he chose not to play competitive, bright lights, big time college basketball and instead focused on graduate courses and Cuonzo Martin we will never know.
 

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I love these comments. The one thing all three guys -- IT, Avery, Crowder -- have in common is that they elevated their games beyond almost everyone's expectations. They each put in a ton of work to completely transform their games, played up to or way above their contracts, and were leaders on a team that significantly overachieved. Basically, they did as much as any organization could ask for. If Jaylen can't easily detach from guys he was close with, and who served as models for leadership and professionalism, that only speaks to his character and development.

I also approve of any comments from current players that obliquely check Kyrie. He's a superior talent to any of the guys we let go but the malcontent label seems to fit. The more guys who are willing to speak up and hold themselves and others accountable, the better.
He’s also criticizing Danny on some level. Maybe you love that too. To me, his thoughts are understandable. The organization stressed culture and IT bought in fully, and then was shipped out like a piece of furniture. Cold reality. But what purpose is served by expressing these feelings publicly? Why not sit down with Danny and discuss it?

I get that Jaylen is thoughtful and not your average bear. I also get that he was just answering a question and doing so with unusual candor. But I remain with the view that there was little to be gained by peeling back the curtain to that extent. I like the idea of a unified public face. And in general, of the team and all of its members rowing in the same direction.

This is not a big deal and will blow over quickly. At the same time, I hope that someone within the organization constructively encourages him to use his filter a little more. I’m not looking for a team of cliche spewing Jeters...there’s a lot of gap between being an automaton and Brown’s comments here.
 

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If Jaylen had expressed excitement about the new-look Celtics, some folks (maybe including some teammates) might consider that disloyal. As @TheoShmeo says, it would’ve been best if he hadn’t answered at all, but I don’t see any reason to question Jaylen’s attitude, nor do I think his new teammates will give his answer much thought.
 

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I mean, he's right. The whole team, including the most important pieces from previous seasons, are completely different. However, it's also up to him to create the kind of culture and environment he wants. He's not along for the ride, he gets to make this bed, too.
I think he knows that. And I think if he had added the bolded (which I take by implication), this wouldn't be a thing. As NBA youth goes, I think that he, Smart and Rozier seem to be good team-cultural building blocks, in different ways.
 

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I understand the spin, we've all read their version. It's hilarious to think Cuonzo Martin is the reason.

Anyway it does not matter and holds no bearing. Why he chose not to play competitive, bright lights, big time college basketball and instead focused on graduate courses and Cuonzo Martin we will never know.
The best UNC alum in the NBA currently is, who? Harrison Barnes? Maybe he just didn't trust UNC's ability to develop him.

And let's not act like going to play in the PAC 12 is some backwater. The league produced three top ten picks this season, two the season before. It's not like he played in the MAC.
 

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I understand the spin, we've all read their version. It's hilarious to think Cuonzo Martin is the reason.

Anyway it does not matter and holds no bearing. Why he chose not to play competitive, bright lights, big time college basketball and instead focused on graduate courses and Cuonzo Martin we will never know.
What is so hilarious about Jaylen going to where the coach who had recruited him for four years ended up?
 

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Jaylen is not the first NBA player to attend a school that's not UNC, so I'm not sure how that's at all relevant. And the NBA careers of Kevin Johnson and Jason Kidd did not seem to suffer from having played college ball on the west coast instead of the hallowed halls of UNC.

As for Jaylen's comments, I've seen players from EVERY sport sometimes mention that the "business side" of their sport can be difficult to deal with. Players often mention how they miss playing with certain teammates whenever there's an on-field, on-ice, or on-court reunion. Claiming that Jaylen is somehow throwing Kyrie or Ainge under the bus is reading too much into his comments in order to come away with an interpretation to fit a narrative that's just not there.
 

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I get that Jaylen is thoughtful and not your average bear. I also get that he was just answering a question and doing so with unusual candor. But I remain with the view that there was little to be gained by peeling back the curtain to that extent. I like the idea of a unified public face. And in general, of the team and all of its members rowing in the same direction.


Now, I love Bill Belichick and I like what he's done with his approach to PR. I'm also glad there's only one of him. Sports are more fun, as entertainment, when the participants are sharing their honest thoughts. I don't always care for the interpersonal drama, particularly when it can affect on-court chemistry. But if someone as intelligent as Jaylen has something to say about roster construction, especially that of a title-winning former-all-star GM, I'd much rather read about it than have him shut up in the name of PR.
 

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Not necessarily.
I think there's a negative inference.

“It changes the whole dynamic, the whole culture,” Brown told Complex. “We’ll see if it’s for good or bad, time will tell. But it’s still a little weird to me, to be honest, because when I came in everything they stressed was culture, environment, Celtic basketball. Now, it’s like what is the environment, the culture, what is Celtic basketball?
https://sports.yahoo.com/jaylen-brown-kyrie-irving-isaiah-thomas-trade-well-see-good-bad-143708673.html

Doesn't that say that the team told him one thing and then did another?

Maybe it's not just Danny but rather Danny, Brad and ownership.

Again, we're talking about candid, apparently well meaning comments from a thoughtful 20-year old. So this is not some major problem or controversy. But to me that comment calls out the team as being inconsistent and says he does not know what they really mean when they talk about Celtic basketball.
 

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Now, I love Bill Belichick and I like what he's done with his approach to PR. I'm also glad there's only one of him. Sports are more fun, as entertainment, when the participants are sharing their honest thoughts. I don't always care for the interpersonal drama, particularly when it can affect on-court chemistry. But if someone as intelligent as Jaylen has something to say about roster construction, especially that of a title-winning former-all-star GM, I'd much rather read about it than have him shut up in the name of PR.
I don't care at all about PR. That's the furthest thing from my mind or concern.

I like Bill's approach because I believe it comes from the lens of "not revealing X if it will detract from our goal of winning." I don't see a Patriots player talking so openly about a player personnel move because Bill has made it clear that same is not allowed, and likely because he believes that doing so would be, or at least could be, counter productive to the goal.
 

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Lawyer Milloy would like a word with you.

Edit: To be more complete, in speaking about his teammates in '03, who criticized his release frankly and repeatedly in the run up to the Buffalo game. Brady himself, IIRC, said, "That's cold."

The point being, teammates develop bonds. They say stuff. They get frustrated and upset by the game being a business. And...they get over it. JB saying what he said about IT and the trade isn't smart or dumb. It's human and very natural and even the great BB isn't immune from having his players be human.
 
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Or maybe he was the highest bidder.
I have no doubt this played a major factor as Cuonzo has been able to recruit more highly ranked kids than he should be able to do......but that is still Cuonzo regardless of how he does it.
 

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Lawyer Milloy would like a word with you.

Edit: To be more complete, in speaking about his teammates in '03, who criticized his release frankly and repeatedly in the run up to the Buffalo game. Brady himself, IIRC, said, "That's cold."

The point being, teammates develop bonds. They say stuff. They get frustrated and upset by the game being a business. And...they get over it. JB saying what he said about IT and the trade isn't smart or dumb. It's human and very natural and even the great BB isn't immune from having his players be human.
Fair points. Like I said, I don't think this is a huge deal. At the same time, I'd like to see less of it going forward.

Brady's comments when guys get cut or dealt are often along the lines of "man this is hard, I hate losing guys I've gone to war with, it's part of the business but it never gets easier." I think he was most expressive when they traded Mankins. But I never heard Brady say something like "I don't know what Patriot football means anymore." That, to me, is a bridge beyond. It's not the Tobin Bridge and they will get past it, and quickly, I suspect. But I do see it as a little more extreme than Tom's comments over the years.
 

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Parsing the words of a kid in his second NBA season where all the guys who showed him what the NBA and the Celtics were all about are now gone is the height of ridiculous fansplaining. ("OHmygod, I think he just said that Danny is a clueless dickwad...!!!!!!!!")
Since there is about a -100000000000000% chance this will have any impact on the team 1) who gives a shit what he says, and, more importantly, (since is a place to talk Celtics and there's precious little to actually talk about right now) 2) just who are we, watching from the couch while wiping our asses, to "wish he had said it differently?" That, to me, is the bridge too far.

I bet Ainge would agree to the extent that he knows he traded away much of the "heart" of last year's team, and that it in a certain way, the "culture" has to be reestablished.

Thank god no one thinks Heinsohn wanted to have sex with Baynes, otherwise we'd have a real controversy on our hands.
 

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Parsing the words of a kid in his second NBA season where all the guys who showed him what the NBA and the Celtics were all about are now gone is the height of ridiculous fansplaining. ("OHmygod, I think he just said that Danny is a clueless dickwad...!!!!!!!!")
Since there is about a -100000000000000% chance this will have any impact on the team 1) who gives a shit what he says, and, more importantly, (since is a place to talk Celtics and there's precious little to actually talk about right now) 2) just who are we, watching from the couch while wiping our asses, to "wish he had said it differently?" That, to me, is the bridge too far.

I bet Ainge would agree to the extent that he knows he traded away much of the "heart" of last year's team, and that it in a certain way, the "culture" has to be reestablished.

Thank god no one thinks Heinsohn wanted to have sex with Baynes, otherwise we'd have a real controversy on our hands.
I think you are overreacting to my comments.

My point, which I thought I said clearly, was NOT that it was a big deal in this case. No one is going to melt over any of this. It is going to pass quickly. Jalen is a young, thoughtful guy. He means well.

But if you don't see his theme that the team stressed one thing last year and then did another after the season as a soft complaint/rebuke/negative, then I'm not sure why.

My more generalized point is that I don't see that those kind of comments continuing going forward would be in Brown's or the Cs' best interests.
 

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I have no doubt this played a major factor as Cuonzo has been able to recruit more highly ranked kids than he should be able to do......but that is still Cuonzo regardless of how he does it.
We also heard that Cal was the only school that would allow him to take graduate level courses.

Such a scandal, allowing him to skip all those prerequisites.
 
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What is so hilarious about Jaylen going to where the coach who had recruited him for four years ended up?
You know enough about basketball to see how terrible a Coach he is. He cost Raab, what, millions of dollars? His scheme and way of playing both of them was ludicrous.

As for landing the top recruit, he hired the recruit's Dad to be an Assistant Coach.

Anyway, this has gone on way too far although his comments are not terribly important anyway. He chose a place to hide away for a year in college, it's the not the worst thing in the world.
 

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The best part of this thread is the jilted ACC fan.
Perhaps, but for me the best part was learning that Jaylen was the captain of his HS chess team.

Could be common knowledge around here, but that brought a big smile to my face.
 

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Cross-posting from JB thread - maybe people should read the entire interview? https://www.complex.com/sports/2017/10/jaylen-bronw-meeting-heroes.
JB comes off as thoughtful and relatively honest, which are probably two traits that a professional athlete doesn't need but it's refreshing anyways.

He's a weird dude. I admit to being more impressed with him last year than I expected but he's also the same guy who turned down Carolina to go to Cal because he did not want the pressure/spotlight of big time college basketball. That never seemed like a great attribute, but maybe knowing he was only one year in he felt it was better to go somewhere where he could work solely on his individual skills and not have any team responsibilities.
JB explained why he chose Cal in the interview:

What Steph Curry and Andre Iguodala are doing in the tech world, is that something you want to follow?

Absolutely. It kind of helped influence my decision to go to Cal. A lot of people didn’t know why I went to Cal. The Bay Area, Silicon Valley, I wanted to put myself in that position where I’m not only successful on the court but off the court. Why not, right? Not a dis to Kentucky, Kansas, or North Carolina, but they don’t offer that.
 

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Cross-posting from JB thread - maybe people should read the entire interview? https://www.complex.com/sports/2017/10/jaylen-bronw-meeting-heroes.
JB comes off as thoughtful and relatively honest, which are probably two traits that a professional athlete doesn't need but it's refreshing anyways.



JB explained why he chose Cal in the interview:

What Steph Curry and Andre Iguodala are doing in the tech world, is that something you want to follow?

Absolutely. It kind of helped influence my decision to go to Cal. A lot of people didn’t know why I went to Cal. The Bay Area, Silicon Valley, I wanted to put myself in that position where I’m not only successful on the court but off the court. Why not, right? Not a dis to Kentucky, Kansas, or North Carolina, but they don’t offer that.
Wrong. Brown couldn't handle the spotlights of the booming tech industry in North Carolina. Dudes afraid of success.
 

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Wrong. Brown couldn't handle the spotlights of the booming tech industry in North Carolina. Dudes afraid of success.
I'm pro-Jaylen in this debate but the year I moved from NC a few years ago they were the #3 state in the country for tech job growth and do sport the 260-company megapark in Research Triangle Park a few miles down from Chapel Hill. It has been a booming tech area for years.

I saw a quote from Jaylen prior to the draft citing "weather, academics, and location" as his reasons for Cal.......one day I want to hear a player say, "weather, academics, location, and a big ole brown paper bag stuffed with greenbacks" just to fvck around and drive the NCAA nuts.
 

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Zoolight in 1979: "This guy went running to Indiana State because he couldn't handle the bright lights of big time college baseketball at IU. He might say he just wanted to be near the Terre Haute municipal trash pickup industry, but it seems like he lacks competitive fire."
 

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Zoolight in 1979: "This guy went running to Indiana State because he couldn't handle the bright lights of big time college baseketball at IU. He might say he just wanted to be near the Terre Haute municipal trash pickup industry, but it seems like he lacks competitive fire."
Hey now this really was what happened though! Bird admitted himself that he was lost at IU. He transferred because of culture shock and Kent Benson among others being a colossal a-hole to him when he arrived.
 
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Yep, that actually proves my point.

Michael Jordan, on the other hand, just wasn't scared of that big stage. Served him well.

Of course, Nate Britt wasn't scared of that big stage either and, in retrospect, I sort of wish he had been.