Jaylen Brown, Year 7

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As long as his stuff doesn’t become a distraction, I don’t really care (within reason lol). And I don’t think it’ll ever become a distraction.

I’ve definitely been let down by some of his stuff on Twitter, but that’s just as much on me.
I am too but let’s keep it within reason. “Diet Kyrie” and saying his only bonafides are “watching MIT lectures” is way beyond the pale
 

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I am too but let’s keep it within reason. “Diet Kyrie” and saying his only bonafides are “watching MIT lectures” is way beyond the pale
I’m not calling him that lol, but it was being thrown around some on Twitter earlier. I didn’t say anything about MIT, and I don’t think Jaylen is a fake intellectual or anything. But he definitely has some questionable opinions, and he’s clearly becoming more comfortable expressing them. It’s a bit of a slippery slope IMO, but I don’t think it’ll ever be a distraction.
 

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This is pretty demeaning to what he has actually done. He’s given speeches at MIT about ways to give disenfranchised kids access to better education.

I hated that tweet but the Diet Kyrie nickname is a joke . Jaylen’s actually intelligent not a fucking self involved moron like Kyrie
That is so awesome. I bet in real life he’s super deep and yearns to learn. And since you can say he is “intelligent and not self involved like Kyrie” I assume you have some additional info to share? Because they both look like self absorbed assholes from my end. One just has a better handle on the PR side than the other.

Kyrie does a shit ton of charity work. Really, look it up if you didn’t know because he’s honestly pretty great on that front despite being a fuck face otherwise. Why do I need to care what charity work people do when discussing the disinformation they push on social media to hundreds of thousands of people? He does nice things. So do most people. Most people, however, don’t actively spread disinformation (not his first covid rodeo) and hang out and form professional relationships with racist narcissists that abuse their family and literally get off on gaslighting people. I’m sure that’s totally separate from everything else though. Because CELTICS!

I get it. Jaylen is ours. Drafted, groomed, came into his own etc. Sorry that he’s also a clown that just is desperate for the cool kids to like him, which is why he rolls with Kanye and talks to Kyrie now after seeing the light.

To call anything criticizing him “beyond the pale” is absurd, and says more about you than anything.
 

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Jaylen's been my guy, and I've generally been of the opinion that he's legitimately bright. Certainly all of the outright politics he's gotten into have been things I'd applaud... but... I hope he's careful. Continuing to run with Kanye at this point is bad, bad, bad.
 

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Jaylen’s actually intelligent not a fucking self involved moron like Kyrie
The mistake people often make is that intelligence is an insulator against bullshit. It is not, and in the case where people are recognized for their intelligence, it can have the opposite effect.
 

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Did you even read the Tweet? The only "info" is from an anonymous Director, not even a quote, about not testing the vaccine to see if it stopped the spread. There is zero information or evidence in there to even make a case that it actually didn't help slow the spread. It's nonsense

edit:virus to vaccine
I read the tweet and I had seen the video. The info is in the video where the director J. Small (not anonymous) said that the vaccine was not tested on transmission before it was released to the public. The point isn't about whether the vaccine actually helped slow the spread, but that we were told that it would without any testing. It's clear at this point that if the the vaccine actually did help slow the spread, the effect was pretty minimal. This was also the main rationale for NBA players to get vaccinated since these elite young athletes were at little risk from the virus themselves.
 

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That is so awesome. I bet in real life he’s super deep and yearns to learn. And since you can say he is “intelligent and not self involved like Kyrie” I assume you have some additional info to share? Because they both look like self absorbed assholes from my end. One just has a better handle on the PR side than the other.

Kyrie does a shit ton of charity work. Really, look it up if you didn’t know because he’s honestly pretty great on that front despite being a fuck face otherwise. Why do I need to care what charity work people do when discussing the disinformation they push on social media to hundreds of thousands of people? He does nice things. So do most people. Most people, however, don’t actively spread disinformation (not his first covid rodeo) and hang out and form professional relationships with racist narcissists that abuse their family and literally get off on gaslighting people. I’m sure that’s totally separate from everything else though. Because CELTICS!

I get it. Jaylen is ours. Drafted, groomed, came into his own etc. Sorry that he’s also a clown that just is desperate for the cool kids to like him, which is why he rolls with Kanye and talks to Kyrie now after seeing the light.

To call anything criticizing him “beyond the pale” is absurd, and says more about you than anything.
Dude you said this “Are we going to pretend he’s not a complete clown because he listened to an MIT lecture”. That’s so fucking reductive and incorrect. The man spoke at MIT (someone mentioned one of the youngest to ever do it).

What does that say about you? Or are you allowed to be incorrect while ripping others?

And that bullshit about “says more about you than anything” at the end is ridiculous. Honestly I don’t even know what the fuck that means in this context. Says what about me? That I can’t criticize Celtics? That tweet by Jaylen is bullshit. The other tweets he’s made about COVID are complete bullsnit too. That’s why i said “this is depressing”.
I’m just not going to rewrite what he did before in some mocking incorrect fashion to “look cool”.

And it’s interesting that you can call him Diet Kyrie or comment on him but not share “any additional info” but somehow I need to? I’m going off of the same information you are here buddy.
 

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I read the tweet and I had seen the video. The info is in the video where the director J. Small (not anonymous) said that the vaccine was not tested on transmission before it was released to the public. The point isn't about whether the vaccine actually helped slow the spread, but that we were told that it would without any testing. It's clear at this point that if the the vaccine actually did help slow the spread, the effect was pretty minimal. This was also the main rationale for NBA players to get vaccinated since these elite young athletes were at little risk from the virus themselves.
I'm not going into specifics because this kind of stuff belongs in VN, but one data point that isn't even proven as being false is not the only data point in the slow the spread equation
 

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Jaylen can believe anything he wants as long as he's not directly putting hate stuff out there. Unless Jaylen himself is revealed to be Anti-Semitic, I say... Play Ball!
 

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It's clear at this point that if the the vaccine actually did help slow the spread, the effect was pretty minimal.
This I do not believe to be accurate, and part of why this discussion should not be here in the basketball forum but rather in the COVID thread in V&N. There are scienticians there and everything. You’re a member; go ask them.
 
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Harvard too; among the youngest people ever to be asked to give a lecture like that, in the modern age anyway. The guy has the horses.

He has a real seeker streak in him, though; when they asked him a few years ago what he was reading, he said The Egyptian Book of the Dead, which sent my antennae up. He’s into planets and their effects on us too. Nothing wrong with that at all, and it’s not as uncommon as some think. but it can take people in a couple different directions. Some of them could suck for a basketball team.

Like, Kyrie isn’t a basketball problem because he’s an idiot, he’s a basketball problem because he’s a self-involved fuckhead. Like, I still can’t believe he walked out before the final buzzer. I know my way around some of these areas, as some here know, and from a basketball perspective, I’m far less concerned with the content of his beliefs—I’m not sure Tom Brady even knows we have a government, and that went really well for me as a fan—as if he falls into rabbit holes that lead to self-indulgent fuckery, which is a thing that can happen. He’s an extremely focused and intense guy, though, and I think some of his other interests can keep him out of those traps and, if you will, his eye on the ball. :kitty:
Yep yep. All of this, especially the italicized.

FWIW, I never had a problem with Kyrie's flat earth shit, nor would I have a problem if Jaylen thought that the aliens built the pyramids. It can get weird fast though, and as one of the world's hugest Jaylen-stans, I'm starting to get worried. Defcon-3.
 

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I’m less concerned about what Jaylen is doing now, though I really don’t like it. Like I said above, I just feel like he’s on a real slippery slope, and I hate it.
 

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Yep yep. All of this, especially the italicized.

FWIW, I never had a problem with Kyrie's flat earth shit, nor would I have a problem if Jaylen thought that the aliens built the pyramids. It can get weird fast though, and as one of the world's hugest Jaylen-stans, I'm starting to get worried. Defcon-3.
This post and the post you were responding to I completely agree with.

This off-season has brought the COVID tweets and going in with Ye. And, as Rev said, he already was in to some kind of weird stuff.

Let’s hope he distances himself from Ye and gets more into his union role so there’s less time for social media conspiracies
 

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The mistake people often make is that intelligence is an insulator against bullshit. It is not, and in the case where people are recognized for their intelligence, it can have the opposite effect.
I went and looked up the articles written about Jaylen when he did his Harvard lecture. It’s like a case study in how to ruin a young person; a lot of it is effusive to the point of being gross
 

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Yes interesting that "Intelligent People" seemingly cant be "wrong". Or Shouldnt be.

Also interesting that As he is not in lock step with 75-90% of us (And I am NOT an Antivaxxer) then he must be wrong or "Bad" for using his platform.

Hell As I say I have been vax'd......but I still find some of the info coming out as troubling. I dont see that as bad. We should always be asking questions.
Nuff said. Not trying to stir a V+N argument.
 
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I agree that we shouldn't take things at face value, but implying that he is being called wrong for not following along with the general public is misleading. There has been a recent rise in the number of media personalities and celebrities who have spouted very dangerous opinions and conspiracy theories in the name of "just asking questions", including Jaylen's publicist Kanye and his friend Tucker Carlson. Personally, I'd prefer that Jaylen distance himself from that not only because I don't want it to be another distraction for the team heading into the season, but because it would also impact my ability to root for him. Obviously he can do whatever he wants, just my selfish opinion.
 

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I don't need Jaylen Brown's views to mirror my own to root for him. I just hope he does well for the Cs individually as well as being additive to the team.

That said, that handle is outstanding @Baby Got Daubach. Kudos!
 

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What does the first one mean?
I have no idea, I only posted it because it’s an interesting contrast from then to now. I know it says nothing about vaccines, but you wouldn’t expect the person saying that stuff to be retweeting people like Rob Roos.
 

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I have no idea, I only posted it because it’s an interesting contrast from then to now. I know it says nothing about vaccines, but you wouldn’t expect the person saying that stuff to be retweeting people like Rob Roos.
That's the weird part though. Five of those tweets are good messages, back when hospitals were overflowing and people dropping dead all over the place. But that top tweet is wha?
 

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That's the weird part though. Five of those tweets are good messages, back when hospitals were overflowing and people dropping dead all over the place. But that top tweet is wha?
It was only a day later too, I’m genuinely confused. I came upon that a bit ago on Twitter, figured I’d share it here.

It just feels so weird.
 

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I think he meant it as a simple, face value "viruses' intent is to destroy, I hope it doesn't destroy everything."
I can't come up with another explanation that makes any sense given the preceding tweets.
 

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Yes interesting that "Intelligent People" seemingly cant be "wrong". Or Shouldnt be.

Also interesting that As he is not in lock step with 75-90% of us (And I am NOT an Antivaxxer) then he must be wrong or "Bad" for using his platform.

Hell As I say I have been vax'd......but I still find some of the info coming out as troubling. I dont see that as bad. We should always be asking questions.
Nuff said. Not trying to stir a V+N argument.
Interesting, huh? Did you happen to go through the timeline of the account he retweeted? Or are you just making assumptions about the rest of us? ;)

There are any number if accounts he could have retreated with the same message that aren’t the garbage account he shared. Yes, the guy is a Dutch MP. But I went through the timeline and, well, it’s garbage and the MP is a total crank. That’s a worse signal to me than the content itself.

I think he meant it as a simple, face value "viruses' intent is to destroy, I hope it doesn't destroy everything."
I can't come up with another explanation that makes any sense given the preceding tweets.
I can. But I choose to discount it because I don’t believe Jaylen has gone there.
 

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Incidentally, I’ve meant to post this in the past but always missed the “window”:

As per Jaylen and Kyrie starting to talk more and then hang out, Jaylen said it was because Kyrie started listening to him and asking him questions rather than just, like, telling him shit. I figured I’d mention it as I’ve seen a lot of people wondering.

The more you know, yadda yadda etc.
 

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Interesting, huh? Did you happen to go through the timeline of the account he retweeted? Or are you just making assumptions about the rest of us? ;)

There are any number if accounts he could have retreated with the same message that aren’t the garbage account he shared. Yes, the guy is a Dutch MP. But I went through the timeline and, well, it’s garbage and the MP is a total crank. That’s a worse signal to me than the content itself.


I can. But I choose to discount it because I don’t believe Jaylen has gone there.
I can in general…just not on that quick of a timeline. I mean it was a day later, that’s quite a turnaround
 

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As of today, Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum are not the best duo under the age of 25 in the NBA.

HBD, JB. I’m hoping that I can post something similar four years from now about the Celtics not having the best duo under the age of 30. Jaylen needs to make an All-NBA team, and Boston needs to max contract him. It will be painful for him to play his prime seasons on any other team.
 

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I can. But I choose to discount it because I don’t believe Jaylen has gone there.
I'm not sure where JB has gone but I know where I'm hoping he comes out.

From what little I know of JB, it seems that he has taken a lot of time, energy, and effort to immerse himself in structural racism - how it came about, how it currently manifests, and what people can do to create better opportunities for the next generations.

In my experience, people who study structural racism in the detail he undoubtedly has often come out of it with a tremendous distrust of authority. To me, this is natural because people think authorities of all stripes are reinforcing our current structural racism.

The problem is that often people who distrust authority on this level end up distrusting all authority. For example, since medical professionals have conducted secret experiments on blacks in the past, why (or maybe how is the better question) would a person trust medical authorities who are saying that vaccines are safe for everyone?

I admire JB for being willing to focus on something that is bigger than himself, and I understand that he's at the beginning of his journey. While I hope he lands somewhere near the understanding that even though there is structural racism in our world, there are those who are trying to work within those parameters to make the world a better place and their work shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. However, the biggest problem is that there aren't a lot of role models in his community for this perspective. There are a lot of role models that would lead him down other paths though.

(Hope this post makes sense without breaking the "V&N" redline.)
 

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That's not condemning his statements, that's just not agreeing with him. Pretty disappointing, to be honest.
He’s staying with Donda, too.

That said, I can’t get the Globe, but Clutch Sports posted more of his statement which was far more extensive and, at least, interesting and thoughtful:

https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-jaylen-brown-breaks-silence-on-kanye-west-antisemitic-comments/amp/

People wanted to hear what Brown has to say about Kanye’s most recent controversy. The Celtics star has been known to be one of the most outspoken individuals in the entire league when it comes to social injustice — something that West seems to have exhibited with his recent comments against the Jewish people (via Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe):

“First, I don’t condone any hurt, harm, or danger toward any group of people or individuals whatsoever,” said Brown. “I’ve been a member of my community, trying to uplift my community, and I’m going to continue to do that.”
When asked if he was going to part ways with Kanye’s Donda Sports just five months after signing with the high-profile sports agency, Brown was quick to deny any of this talk. According to the Celtics All-Star, he’s more focused on the goals of the agency and what he can do with this platform as opposed to the man sitting behind the owner’s chair:

“A lot of time goes into creating an entity or organization,” he said. “The reason why I signed with Donda Sports, it represented education, it represented activism, disruption, it represented single-parent households, and a lot more people are involved in something like that. A lot of people that I work with, work with their families, build love and respect for, spending time in the summer. A lot of people involved. That’s what the organization from my vantage point from Donda Sports represented.
“I think it continues to represent that and it’s a sensitive topic for a lot of people. But a lot of stuff you see me doing in the community and you’ve already seen me doing in the community is a direct translation from what that organization has stood for.”
Brown made it abundantly clear that he does not support Kanye West’s message by any means. However, the 26-year-old also stopped short of criticizing the embattled rap mogul:

“He’s someone who’s obviously dealing with a lot of adversity that’s in front of him right now and everybody can see it and it’s public,” Brown said. “But a lot of people in the world are dealing with adversity and things that are going on that’s in front of them and they need help. It’s a lot going on right now.”
At this point, it seems like Brown is taking a high-road approach in that he would rather offer his support for Kanye and what he’s going through right now:

“It’s tough to speak on because everybody is going to form their own opinions about what you have to say, but I look at people that I’ve been around, family, friends that you love,” he said. “To me, it’s unconditional. To me, as they’re working through problems, we’re working through it in unison.
“I don’t agree with everything that everybody does. Like I said, I don’t stand for any hurt, harm, or danger toward anybody, but sometimes people need unconditional love and help to get them through the situation.”
Jaylen Brown is in a tough spot at the moment in that he clearly disagrees with Kanye’s antisemitic comments. However, given that this is pretty much his employer who’s at the center of this whole mess, Brown can’t really bite the hand that feeds him.
I don’t love it… but I think @wade boggs chicken dinner ’s take has a lot to it, and, well, he’s young.
 

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Not particularly surprised. Jaylen got put on this "oh he's so smart" pedestal that athletes who aren't total morons sometimes do, and I like his investment in his community. But... he's like a lot of guys who got told they were smart and then started giving equal weight to conspiracy theories and they're buddies (Kyrie, Kanye, etc.) as to any kind of expert.
 

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It’s also a pretty complicated decision I’m sure, if he did want to extract himself (both in terms of the legal stuff required of backing out of the agreement and finding someone else who is presumably less anti-Semitic). So maybe stay tuned?
 

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Just in passing, I would like to mention that people with Bipolar Disorder and some personality disorders, (looking at you, Kyrie) can be very charming, not to mention brilliant, energetic and inspiring, but not stable. I remember one of my preceptors telling me a long time ago, “If you are interviewing a patient, and you find that you’re enjoying yourself way too much, start thinking about Bipolar.”
It is clear from Jalen’s comments above that he recognizes Kanye’s issues, but is not ready to throw him under the bus just cause he’s off his meds. I can respect that kind of loyalty. My impression is that this is a learning experience for him and he likely will be a little more careful as to who he associates with in the future.
 

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I don't think this should be excused, really - the problematic company Jaylen keeps is disappointing as fuck. I really don't think he's a bad person, but I hope there is enough backlash here to be a learning experience.
 

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I don't think this should be excused, really - the problematic company Jaylen keeps is disappointing as fuck. I really don't think he's a bad person, but I hope there is enough backlash here to be a learning experience.
Here's a crazy V&N idea: you can like a person despite their political or global views.

In fact, most normal people use those talking points to bust balls. Because sometimes, life just doesn't have to be that serious.
 

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A possible alternative is that some people have justifiable red lines and if you disagree it might be best not to lecture them about it.
 

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It's natural to try to stand by your friends, even when they say horrible stuff. But there are lines that can't be crossed. Other comments in V&N
 

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A possible alternative is that some people have justifiable red lines and if you disagree it might be best not to lecture them about it.
If someone is friends with someone you don't agree with, you can hate them both? Sure. Seems like a sane way to go about life.

Think you'll find you end up disliking most athletes and celebrities in this 7 degrees to Kevin Bacon.
 

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Here's a crazy V&N idea: you can like a person despite their political or global views.

In fact, most normal people use those talking points to bust balls. Because sometimes, life just doesn't have to be that serious.
I do, including Jaylen and plenty of family members and friends I don't agree with on everything. It's not like I was calling for him to be shipped off the team, I just don't think it's cool to stay essentially a representative of Kanye's brand when said brand is waiving the flag against Jewish people.

It's ok to call palling around with Kanye bad at this point - I've given that dude more benefit of the doubt for years, the anti semitic shit is serious. I'm glad Jaylen made the choice he did. Not trying to tread any further into V&N territory so I'll leave it there.