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In a very encouraging development in doing the right thing, while less encouraging for me getting tickets, UEFA has apparently agreed to allow home games in the European competitions for teams with standing tickets in their home stadiums. So Union Berlin will get to play their home games, you know, at home this year. Last year, Union had to play Conference League home matches at Hertha’s stadium :confused:. This year, Europa League games will be be played at the Stadion an der alten Försterei. I’m not sure how many more teams this affects.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62324896.amp
 

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Is this the EPL catch-all thread? Is there even one? Either way, the EPL players decided to stop taking a knee before every game, and will instead do so before important / special games, in an attempt to bring more discussion to why they're taking the knee rather than the mere fact of performatively doing it.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62404611
 

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Here’s a sentence not too many of us have written before: “Good news from UEFA!” They have agreed to allow safe standing at UCL, UEL and Conference League games this year. So that means no more trips to Olympiastadion for Union Berlin, the Gelbe Wand for Dortmund, and I’m sure grateful fans in other places too.
 

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Is this the EPL catch-all thread? Is there even one? Either way, the EPL players decided to stop taking a knee before every game, and will instead do so before important / special games, in an attempt to bring more discussion to why they're taking the knee rather than the mere fact of performatively doing it.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62404611
I had read that too. But the games I watched this weekend all had the knee taking ritual. Maybe they qualified as special/important being Opening Day.

I’m kind of ambivalent as it’s really just a ritual now. Remember , pregame national anthems started during WW1 as a patriotic gesture and we’ve been stuck with them ever since … 105 YEARS later.

[edit] in case you haven’t guessed I’m not a fan of anthems before games. Once upon a time they used to play them in movie theatres too and that managed to fade away without western civilization collapsing.
 
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I had read that too. But the games I watched this weekend all had the knee taking ritual. Maybe they qualified as special/important being Opening Day.

I’m kind of ambivalent as it’s really just a ritual now. Remember , pregame national anthems started during WW1 as a patriotic gesture and we’ve been stuck with them ever since … 105 YEARS later.

[edit] in case you haven’t guessed I’m not a fan of anthems before games. Once upon a time they used to play them in movie theatres too and that managed to fade away without western civilization collapsing.
It was an opening day thing. Don’t expect it in week 2.

i agree with you that it’s become an empty gesture. As does Wilf Zaha, who has been standing during the ceremony for a while now.

Not sure what Christian Benteke thinks:

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Carabao (League) Cup full draw

  • Leicester City vs Newport County
  • West Ham vs Blackburn Rovers
  • Wolves vs Leeds United
  • Nottingham Forest vs Tottenham
  • Manchester United vs Aston Villa
  • Bournemouth vs Everton
  • Liverpool vs Derby County
  • Burnley vs Crawley Town
  • Bristol City vs Lincoln City
  • Manchester City vs Chelsea
  • Stevenage vs Charlton Athletic
  • MK Dons vs Morecambe
  • Newcastle United vs Crystal Palace
  • Southampton vs Sheffield Wednesday
  • Arsenal vs Brighton
  • Brentford vs Gillingham

City vs. Chelsea … yum
 

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Looks like The Paul Pogba Affair is going to be front page news for awhile. Shame he’s not still with ManU.

The Interwebs are abuz with it - the worlds best player, witch doctors, gangsters, kidnapping, extortion , family feud - what’s not to like?
 

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Not really sure where to put this, but it feels odds and endsy. Derby Days creator Eli Mengem has another fantastic series out called Once in a Lifetime. Basically he travels to cities whose clubs are on the verge of something rare. It was only a three part series. Tissues might be needed.

They Say We're Crazy- Real Betis run to the Copa del Rey Final
We Refuse to Know Our Place- Trabzonspor fight for the Turkish Super Lig Title
Our First and Maybe Only Final- SC Freiburg run to the DFB-Pokal Final
 

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Dumb question as I'm fairly new at this European Football thing. Let's say that a player, we'll call him Sven, gets a stupid straight red in the 93rd minutes of a Europa League Group match. Does he:
a) miss his next three games among League, Cup and UEL?
b) miss his next three UEL games?
c) miss fewer than three UEL games?
d) miss three games among just the league and UEL and not the cup?

I'm guessing it's A, but would like if someone could confirm. Thanks!
 

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Dumb question as I'm fairly new at this European Football thing. Let's say that a player, we'll call him Sven, gets a stupid straight red in the 93rd minutes of a Europa League Group match. Does he:
a) miss his next three games among League, Cup and UEL?
b) miss his next three UEL games?
c) miss fewer than three UEL games?
d) miss three games among just the league and UEL and not the cup?

I'm guessing it's A, but would like if someone could confirm. Thanks!
B - separate competitions , separate discipline
 

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The "standard" punishment for a red card is just one game. But it can be increased to two or three games depending on the violence of the foul.

If it's something beyond the pale, like punching the referee, there really is no limit.
 

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The "standard" punishment for a red card is just one game. But it can be increased to two or three games depending on the violence of the foul.

If it's something beyond the pale, like punching the referee, there really is no limit.
Oh for some reason I thought it was three for a straight red, but one if it were the result of two yellow cards. Hopefully it's just one then! I didn't see it happen, and they had to go to VAR to give it, so I wouldn't expect anything worse than the standard. Thank you and @Mighty Joe Young
 

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Oh for some reason I thought it was three for a straight red, but one if it were the result of two yellow cards. Hopefully it's just one then! I didn't see it happen, and they had to go to VAR to give it, so I wouldn't expect anything worse than the standard. Thank you and @Mighty Joe Young
Article 52 Yellow and red cards
52.01
As a rule, a player or a team official sent off from the field of play and/or its immediate surrounds, including the technical area, is automatically suspended for the next match in a UEFA club competition (i.e. UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, UEFA Europa Conference League or UEFA Super Cup). In case of serious offences, the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body is entitled to augment this punishment, including by extending it to other competitions.

52.02
In case of repeated cautions:

before the group stage, players and team officials are suspended for the next competition match after three cautions, which did not result in a red card, as well as following any subsequent odd-numbered caution (fifth, seventh, ninth, etc.);

from the first match in the group stage, players and team officials are suspended for the next competition match after three cautions, which did not result in a red card, as well as following any subsequent odd-numbered caution (fifth, seventh, ninth, etc.).

52.03
Single yellow cards and pending suspensions are always carried forward either to the next stage of the competition or to the UEFA Europa Conference League in the current season.

52.04
Exceptionally, all yellow cards and pending yellow-card suspensions expire on completion of the play-offs. They are not carried forward to the group stage. In addition, all yellow cards expire on completion of the quarter-finals. They are not carried forward to the semi-finals.

52.05
Cautions and pending yellow-card suspensions from the UEFA Champions League, the UEFA Europa League or the UEFA Europa Conference League expire at the end of the season.
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Well , a straight red would usually be deemed a serious offence. Perhaps, due to the small number of games they view a one gamer to be sufficient.

In the EPL it’s three games - which sometimes can be appealed down to two or one match.
Only if it's a dangerous tackle or violent conduct. A "professional" foul that impedes a goal world result in only a one match ban.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/2332775/red-card-how-many-games-premier-league-champions/

How many matches does a player miss after a red card?
If a player is sent off for a professional foul (eg holding an opponent back when they're through on goal) or a second bookable offence they will be handed a one-match ban.

Straight red cards for dissent will result in a two-match ban, while dangerous tackles or violent conduct will result in a three-match ban which can be raised to four or more games in extreme cases.

Incidents of racism will almost certainly result in a ban longer than three games while a red card for spitting triggers an automatic six-match ban.
 

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Ajax’s 38 year old keeper Remko Pasveer just got his first Dutch national team call up. That’s pretty cool.

van Gaal brought in 4 keepers into camp, so we’ll see who gets the back up roles for Qatar. But great for Pasveer to persevere and get recognition.
 

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It read a little like "stop cheering for us unless you're a diehard". Don't they realize that will just make the posers love them more?
<bong hit>so their missing SECOND album, I guess you could say, is this EP of Leonard Cohen covers that they recorded in a swimming pool…fucking cool, yeah?….. the reverb is the tits…. Gordon plays a VIBRAPHONE…. How the fuck do you get a fucking vibraphone…. They pressed like 50 copies… it’s fucking legendary…. I saw one in Brass City Records in Waterbury but it was like 900 bucks…. The zine said they played Suzanne in Austin and they all went apeshit…</bong hit>
 

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It read a little like "stop cheering for us unless you're a diehard". Don't they realize that will just make the posers love them more?
I've heard more people talk about this attitude existing than people who have seen evidence of it. I guess it makes for a good story for the reason that @OCST picks up on below. I don't know, maybe people are talking behind my back or whatever, but it's been nothing but welcoming to me. I've even had people at games ask in astonishment how and why an American would want to support little Union. Maybe I get dispensation since I'm American? I'll ask my German friends next time I'm at a game there.
 

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It felt like a practical joke, but it’s all true. Carlo Ancelotti really was in a Star Trek movie. Playing a scientist. Very briefly.

He appears in the middle of Star Trek: Beyond as a worried-looking scientist loitering in a doorway as his colleagues mill around. If you blink, or the brightness on your TV isn’t turned up to the maximum, you’ll miss him. But he’s definitely there.
 

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I was thinking this morning about which players Union Berlin could have on World Cup squads*, and thought about Sheraldo Becker for a second. He represents Suriname, but also has a Dutch passport. I was under the mistaken impression that Suriname was part of CONCACAF, but not FIFA. Which made me wonder, what would happen if a player represented say, Greenland (not recognized internationally) could he/she also represent Denmark? There might be a handful of other possibilities, but wondered if anyone knew how that would be handled.

* possible WC players: Rønnow, Haraguchi and Pefok
 

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I was thinking this morning about which players Union Berlin could have on World Cup squads*, and thought about Sheraldo Becker for a second. He represents Suriname, but also has a Dutch passport. I was under the mistaken impression that Suriname was part of CONCACAF, but not FIFA. Which made me wonder, what would happen if a player represented say, Greenland (not recognized internationally) could he/she also represent Denmark? There might be a handful of other possibilities, but wondered if anyone knew how that would be handled.

* possible WC players: Rønnow, Haraguchi and Pefok
Players that represent non-FIFA sanctioned countries are naturally doing so in non-FIFA sanctioned events, right? So they would never be officially "capped" to these teams that FIFA doesn't recognize anyway. I can't think of anyone who has made that transition, going from a non-FIFA side to a recognized country, but I am sure it has happened.
 

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Players that represent non-FIFA sanctioned countries are naturally doing so in non-FIFA sanctioned events, right? So they would never be officially "capped" to these teams that FIFA doesn't recognize anyway. I can't think of anyone who has made that transition, going from a non-FIFA side to a recognized country, but I am sure it has happened.
I guess that is right. I did a little more searching and found out for the French Guianese team, which is a member of CONCACAF, and also French Guiana is part of France, according to wiki:
As full citizens of France, indistinguishable from any other French citizen, French Guianans are eligible to play for the France national football team.

Bernard Lama and Florent Malouda are two examples of Guianese players who have played for the France national team. Lama winning the 1998 World Cup, and UEFA Euro 2000. Malouda playing as a runner-up during the 2006 World Cup.
Malouda tried to go the other direction, from France to French Guiana, with undesired results:
Malouda became available to play for his home nation, a non-FIFA association, after a five-year absence from the French squad. In June 2017, he was named to the preliminary French Guiana squad for the 2017 CONCACAF Gold Cup[50] and made his debut against Barbados in a friendly.[51] He was, however, ruled ineligible for the Gold Cup since CONCACAF rules for the tournament use FIFA eligibility guidelines and Malouda remains cap-tied to France.[52] Despite this, on 11 July 2017, Malouda was selected to start French Guiana's Gold Cup match against Honduras, resulting in a forfeit after what was originally a 0–0 draw.[53]
I guess where it might get a little weird is more in the examples that FIFA doesn't recognize the country at all. Like I wonder if someone played for North Cyprus, would that jeopardize their status with Turkey by effectively making some kind of political statement that FIFA wants to try and avoid.
 

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I guess that is right. I did a little more searching and found out for the French Guianese team, which is a member of CONCACAF, and also French Guiana is part of France, according to wiki:


Malouda tried to go the other direction, from France to French Guiana, with undesired results:

I guess where it might get a little weird is more in the examples that FIFA doesn't recognize the country at all. Like I wonder if someone played for North Cyprus, would that jeopardize their status with Turkey by effectively making some kind of political statement that FIFA wants to try and avoid.
There was a story back before Kosovo was recognized as a FIFA country and the status of the Kosovo national team, and how a team of players either from Kosovo, or with family ties to Kosovo, would be fairly competitive. Teams like Switzerland, who had many key players who would be eligible for Kosovo, including Granit Xhaka and Xherdan Shaqiri, were strongly against Kosovo forming a FIFA/UEFA recognized side for that reason.

There was also a "slippery slope" argument in that if FIFA permits some quasi-states and different territories (which it already does, just look at Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Puerto Rico, etc.) it could open the door for like, Catalonia to form their own team and that would hurt the Spanish national team.
 

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Ghana capped 2 new dual nationals this window - Tariq Lamptey (formerly England) and Inaki Williams (formerly Spain). Those are two huge additions for a talent-starved squad, but will it be too late to make a difference in Qatar?
 

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Ghana capped 2 new dual nationals this window - Tariq Lamptey (formerly England) and Inaki Williams (formerly Spain). Those are two huge additions for a talent-starved squad, but will it be too late to make a difference in Qatar?
That's a huge development. As much as significant injuries to the likes of Araujo (Uruguay) and Kounde (France). Did any other bigtime players pick up injuries?
 

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I always joke that there should be two extra teams in the World Cup. Team Unqualified would be a squad of players from nations that didn’t make it (so this year it could contain the likes of Haaland and Salah). Team Rejects would be a squad of players from nations that did qualify for the World Cup but were not selected for their nation’s squad (Trent Alexander Arnold for example).
I would be interested to see how these teams would do against the World Cup nations.
 

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I always joke that there should be two extra teams in the World Cup. Team Unqualified would be a squad of players from nations that didn’t make it (so this year it could contain the likes of Haaland and Salah). Team Rejects would be a squad of players from nations that did qualify for the World Cup but were not selected for their nation’s squad (Trent Alexander Arnold for example).
I would be interested to see how these teams would do against the World Cup nations.
Wow, this is awesome. At a minimum, they should play against each other. That would be super fun. Although with Italy missing, team Unqualified would be a load. Can we workshop a Starting XI for both sides in this match??