Game 7 - Bruins v. Blues

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Badly blown opportunity tonight. That's what hurts; the B's had the talent, but couldn't put it together and lost 3 of 4. The Blues were physical, sometimes dirty, but that wasn't the cause. The B's looked awful all of Game 5 up until the trip on Acciari. And too many mistakes tonight.

I don't see this core being able to do it again. Tampa has a much deeper roster and will be back and will be looking to atone for this year's fiasco. I think this loss will be too difficult for them to recover from that easily.
You and I watched different Game 5s. Go look at SOG and Scoring Chances and reevaluate your diagnosis. Bs carried play all night.
 

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The analytics say the Bruins were better g5-g7. This isn't a debate, "eye test" isn't a real thing. They got jobbed in one game and had no luck tonight.
 

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The talk about the refs, physical play, dirty play is tiring. I was mad after G5 too. But they had 1 game to win the Cup and they just didn't play well enough. Series-wise, they did not play well enough 5v5. They had plenty of chances to score in G5 and G7 and did not get it done. Simple as that.
This is exactly it. The Bruins are a better team but were outplayed most of the series -- and in the game they absolutely had to have they were outclassed.
 

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That was the most frustrating playoff series I’ve ever witnessed.
Agreed, the past two weeks or so was like a root canal followed by a colonoscopy.

No doubt in my mind all three members of the first line were fighting injuries, I lost count of how many times Pasta fanned on a shot. The two weeks off didn't help, fucked with their mojo after they demolished Carolina in the conference finals.

The whole series changed when their assbag coach whined about the penalties in a game where they had 4 penalties called on them vs 5 for the Bruins, the referees changed the way they called the series after that.

I have zero respect for the Blues, they're going to set hockey back 40 years after winning the cup; in a copy cat league, teams will goon it up now vs more skilled opponents, maybe the Hanson Brothers and Olgie Ogelthorpe can be talked out of retirement.

Game 7's are a wild card, good Bennington showed up tonight and that second goal was a back breaker.

1-3 at home in the finals is terrible needless to say, just their shit luck to play a team in the finals that played better on the road than at home, shit luck describes this series perfectly.

What a monumentally frustrating series this was.......oh and thanks Buffalo for trading O'Reilly for a bag of pucks.
 

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Well, at least the country doesn’t care about hockey so it’ll be pretty easy to avoid reminders of this.
 

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This is not the way I wanted this season to end. I can't even bring myself to watch post game interviews and stuff. I really hope this core gets back here again, as there's never been a group of players I've cared about as much as I do these guys, from Bergy, to Z, Tuukka, and Marchand, and Krejci.... they deserve another one. It might be too late for Z, I really think next year is going to be tough, especially with the Cup Hangover, but man, this sucked.

This season was incredible, though. I hate the feeling of it being wiped out by one enthusiastically bad line change. It's dumb how much sports can hurt.
 
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Offensively, throughout the series they were inconsistent in how they attacked Binnington. At home, they seemed very tight and passed the puck too much when they could have shot it too much. In STL, they seemed to be much more aggressive shooting the puck and pounced on the rebounds which turned into goals.

As far as the physical play by STL, they toed the line and went over it a little bit. But tonight, it was not a factor. They just got outplayed.
Apart from Carlo's shorty in G4, which of the road goals came on a rebound? I don't think they did any less passing in the road games, it just worked out better for whatever reason.
 

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On the other hand though, look at the young defense core that they’re building. McAvoy, Carlo, and Grzcelyk are already top 4 guys. Vaakanainen and Lauzon are going to be contributing next season. When those guys are all between 25-28 that could be a great position group. The future isn’t bleak in the least.
Oh, I’m not down on the team, just the quarter of it that would be considered the “senior” core. Those five guys are long in the tooth, one of them is already in steep decline, and the other three skaters are likely to enter decline going forward.

The pointing to Natural Stat Trick as some kind of proof the Bruins played well is a double-edged sword. Boston led 5-on-5 in CF% and raw Corsi/Fenwick, but we’re outchanced 18-17, and the Blues had more HDSCs 10-7. That tells me the Bruins’ shots were largely from the outside and of the variety that your average goalie could be expected to save. Last night’s story was that the Bruins were wasteful in possession, while St. Louis wasn’t.
 

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Last night's game was like a baseball game where you put 15 runners on base but can't get the big hit to drive them in. Meanwhile, your pitcher has allowed nothing - no hits, no walks, nothing, other than a blooper off the Pesky Pole, an inside-the-park homer where your CF slipped and fell, a ball that glances off Mookie's glove and lands in the bullpen, and a moonshot. You finally scrape a run home in the bottom of the 9th to cut it to 4-1, having really outplayed the other team all night but failing again and again to plate RISP, while the other team just makes the most of its chances. Sucks.
 

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Crap. Now all that is left is the Red Sox and they are not looking so good.
 

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Last night's game was like a baseball game where you put 15 runners on base but can't get the big hit to drive them in. Meanwhile, your pitcher has allowed nothing - no hits, no walks, nothing, other than a blooper off the Pesky Pole, an inside-the-park homer where your CF slipped and fell, a ball that glances off Mookie's glove and lands in the bullpen, and a moonshot. You finally scrape a run home in the bottom of the 9th to cut it to 4-1, having really outplayed the other team all night but failing again and again to plate RISP, while the other team just makes the most of its chances. Sucks.

This is about right, except that hockey has this improbable set of circumstances come up quite often. In baseball, it almost never does. Yes, you can run into a great pitcher on a shitty team, but they often lose unless their team generates some offense.

I love hockey, but it is the least rational, least predictable, most variance and luck prone sport. And that part of it sucks. There is no other sport where you can dominate as thoroughly as the Bruins did last night and still lose. Yes, I would have loved it if Rask had similarly stolen the game, but it would still be theft -- and not really indicative of the hockey.
 

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After thinking about the series one thing that I kept coming back to was that in these last few games neither team did a good job of adjusting in game to what their opponent was doing. I’m not sure if it’s just my lack of understanding of the tactics and coaching hockey, but watching the Bruins keep on skating into 3 Blues standing at the blue line or passing into the same areas in games 5/7 is what I’ll remember.
 

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In the cold light of morning, I'm just so bitterly fucking disappointed.

You can't lose 3 out of 4 games at home in a SC Final. It can't and should never happen. They need to change the game day routine up or something. That's a huge fail.

1st line never showed up in the series and that was the biggest reason for the end. No idea what the hell was going on with them, but they deserve the largest part of the blame.

The shithead Rask Sucks Brigade is out in full force and I can even deal. That fucking meathead Dafoomie was crapping all over him last night. Part of me thinks the Bruins should trade him, not because it would help on the ice but because I'd never have to deal with these shitheads again.

I'm depressed and won't be getting over this for a long, long time.
 

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In the cold light of morning, I'm just so bitterly fucking disappointed.

You can't lose 3 out of 4 games at home in a SC Final. It can't and should never happen. They need to change the game day routine up or something. That's a huge fail.
I could one of the issues be that they did change their game day routine in the SCF. All year they had practicing and doing pregame skates at Warrior, but they changed that going into game 2 to get used to the shitty ice surface at the garden. Obviously it didn’t work. How many fanned shots, broken sticks, muffed passes, etc happened last night. They would’ve been better off not altering anything.
 

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Thing is they had that huge push in the early part of the game where they dominated. Then one goal against and they stopped the push, and then Marchand's idiotic brain fart and suddenly they're out of the game completely.
 

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In the cold light of morning, I'm just so bitterly fucking disappointed.

You can't lose 3 out of 4 games at home in a SC Final. It can't and should never happen. They need to change the game day routine up or something. That's a huge fail.

1st line never showed up in the series and that was the biggest reason for the end. No idea what the hell was going on with them, but they deserve the largest part of the blame.

The shithead Rask Sucks Brigade is out in full force and I can even deal. That fucking meathead Dafoomie was crapping all over him last night. Part of me thinks the Bruins should trade him, not because it would help on the ice but because I'd never have to deal with these shitheads again.

I'm depressed and won't be getting over this for a long, long time.
Different games and situations but kind of feels like 2010 Celtics to me, a tough team that came together and damn near won a semi-unexpected title. And, like KG and Pierce, looks like Chara won’t get #2 with Boston, which is too bad.

End of the day, losses happen but a loss like last night where you have blue balls the entire 1st period, a couple costly bad plays, and then get choked out is tough. Crowd never got to cheer.
 

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In the cold light of morning, I'm just so bitterly fucking disappointed.

You can't lose 3 out of 4 games at home in a SC Final. It can't and should never happen. They need to change the game day routine up or something. That's a huge fail.

1st line never showed up in the series and that was the biggest reason for the end. No idea what the hell was going on with them, but they deserve the largest part of the blame.

The shithead Rask Sucks Brigade is out in full force and I can even deal. That fucking meathead Dafoomie was crapping all over him last night. Part of me thinks the Bruins should trade him, not because it would help on the ice but because I'd never have to deal with these shitheads again.

I'm depressed and won't be getting over this for a long, long time.
The Blues went all in on stopping the Bruins top line on 5-on-5 play, and the gamble worked. The 2nd and 3rd lines weren't good enough to take up the slack, and the 4th line was putrid all series.
 

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Thing is they had that huge push in the early part of the game where they dominated. Then one goal against and they stopped the push, and then Marchand's idiotic brain fart and suddenly they're out of the game completely.
It wasn't so much as they stopped the push as St. Louis changed up how they played, keeping four guys behind the play, clogging up the middle and not letting anything get through the middle. So while the Bruins outshot them by a metric shit ton, most of those shots were from the outside and not really dangerous since the Blues did a very good job of clearing people out in front.
 

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It wasn't so much as they stopped the push as St. Louis changed up how they played, keeping four guys behind the play, clogging up the middle and not letting anything get through the middle. So while the Bruins outshot them by a metric shit ton, most of those shots were from the outside and not really dangerous since the Blues did a very good job of clearing people out in front.
This is why that second goal was such a crusher. That allowed the Blues to clog up even more.

God I'm so angry with Marchand for that. He can cry all he wants about the end of the series, but he had better look in the fucking mirror and realize this is on him.

I know it sounds churlish, but I'm convinced Binnington could have been had. He was shit in Game 6, just absolute shit. He was great early last night but there are holes in his game and big ones. The Blues blocked so many shots for him last night.
 

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This is about right, except that hockey has this improbable set of circumstances come up quite often. In baseball, it almost never does. Yes, you can run into a great pitcher on a shitty team, but they often lose unless their team generates some offense.

I love hockey, but it is the least rational, least predictable, most variance and luck prone sport. And that part of it sucks. There is no other sport where you can dominate as thoroughly as the Bruins did last night and still lose. Yes, I would have loved it if Rask had similarly stolen the game, but it would still be theft -- and not really indicative of the hockey.
It’s soccer on ice. So often, the result doesn’t reflect the gameplay, which makes it hard for me to get excited about the sport.

Hockey is a lot more exciting for the casual fan like me to watch, though, with the hits and speed of the game.
 

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Thanks for all the thoughts everyone.

This game was heartbreaking, truly. But ultimately, it is just a game. I’m glad I’m out of town and won’t be around the sports talk garbage.
 

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This is about right, except that hockey has this improbable set of circumstances come up quite often. In baseball, it almost never does. Yes, you can run into a great pitcher on a shitty team, but they often lose unless their team generates some offense.

I love hockey, but it is the least rational, least predictable, most variance and luck prone sport. And that part of it sucks. There is no other sport where you can dominate as thoroughly as the Bruins did last night and still lose. Yes, I would have loved it if Rask had similarly stolen the game, but it would still be theft -- and not really indicative of the hockey.
Boy does this put a bow on things for me, my feeling exactly. The Blues had a whopping 9 shots on goal after two periods and had 2 goals, just infuriating. Been a hockey fan for 50 years, it can be a cruel game to watch. In a sport that requires tremendous skill, it's maddening that sometimes all it takes is a hot goalie and a lucky bounce here and there.

And the soccer comparison is a good one as well.

And the end of the day, with Tampa and Washington getting knocked out, this feels like a gigantic missed opportunity.
 

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Last night's game was like a baseball game where you put 15 runners on base but can't get the big hit to drive them in. Meanwhile, your pitcher has allowed nothing - no hits, no walks, nothing, other than a blooper off the Pesky Pole, an inside-the-park homer where your CF slipped and fell, a ball that glances off Mookie's glove and lands in the bullpen, and a moonshot. You finally scrape a run home in the bottom of the 9th to cut it to 4-1, having really outplayed the other team all night but failing again and again to plate RISP, while the other team just makes the most of its chances. Sucks.
I forget the year, but the Red Sox once played a game in Chicago against the White Sox where they had all of two hits, both solo HR. They won 2-1 and the White Sox had a bunch more baserunners but could never get the big hit.

Last night's game felt like the inverse of that but on a much bigger scale: the team that won made the most of their limited opportunities and the team that filled up the box score came away empty-handed.

And for all the talk about how physical the Blues were, etc., the tone for the series was set early on when the refs decided to just let them play and the Bruins didn't wise up to the fact that they could do the same thing. Yeah, Marchand got called on that bullshit "slash" when he tried to poke the puck out of Binnington's hands, but they're going to call slashes on the goaltender more often than not. The team should have realized they could get chippy too and never did. There are no moral victories in sports, so being the more disciplined team didn't mean shit when the clock hit 00:00 at the end of Game 7. They should have been flattening guys as much as they could, the way they started last night out, all series. If they had, I don't think it would have even made it to 7. It was like when that kid on the Mighty Ducks tried to do his spin-move stuff against the bigger team and got knocked on his ass. Finesse only gets you so far: you need to bridge the gap with some straight-up brute force and they didn't. Not sure if that's on Cassidy or the team itself, but it was the missing element in this series and it was ultimately their biggest undoing. The refs let the Blues get away with everything, pretty much, but so did the Bruins. That is on them. Marchand is usually a pest in these series and he was a non-factor. Not sure if he was hurt or concussed or both, but he picked a bad time to not be his usual, ah, precocious self.
 

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It’s soccer on ice. So often, the result doesn’t reflect the gameplay, which makes it hard for me to get excited about the sport.

Hockey is a lot more exciting for the casual fan like me to watch, though, with the hits and speed of the game.
Soccer is not as extreme though. Where in hockey there is often more than 60 shots on goal, and over 80 attempts, in soccer you often have fewer than 20 shots on goal in half again more time. Also, soccer goalies simply can't cover the net in anything close to the way a hockey goalie can, so a 'hot' goalie is still looking at a space 17-18 feet wider than her/his wingspan and two feet over his/her head.


In any case, Binnington should enjoy his 15 minutes of fame. He is not that good, despite last night.
 

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Yeah maybe it's just me, and maybe it's sour grapes, but I'm getting a strong Andrew Hammond vibe from him. He's got huge flaws in his game. All props to him for playing so well last night, but he was flaming garbage in Games 3 and 6 too. Bruins didn't do enough to expose his obvious flaws.

I wouldn't be shocked if he were back in the AHL by the middle of next year.
 

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Yeah maybe it's just me, and maybe it's sour grapes, but I'm getting a strong Andrew Hammond vibe from him. He's got huge flaws in his game. All props to him for playing so well last night, but he was flaming garbage in Games 3 and 6 too. Bruins didn't do enough to expose his obvious flaws.

I wouldn't be shocked if he were back in the AHL by the middle of next year.
Not sure on his future either but the majority of the Game 3 and 6 damage was PP goals, with the Blues PK compromised by suspension. 5 on 5 for the series he matched or exceeded Rask.
 
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This was incredibly disappointing. The Bruins came out of the gate so strong and then with that shit goal at the end of the first the wind went out of the sails. Fuck.
 

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Yeah maybe it's just me, and maybe it's sour grapes, but I'm getting a strong Andrew Hammond vibe from him. He's got huge flaws in his game. All props to him for playing so well last night, but he was flaming garbage in Games 3 and 6 too. Bruins didn't do enough to expose his obvious flaws.

I wouldn't be shocked if he were back in the AHL by the middle of next year.
I said exactly that last night. He has a tendency to stay too far back in his crease and of course his rebound control is not exactly Vezina level. Those are primarily technique issues and possibly correctable. He's probably going to settle somewhere around Matt Murray territory rather than Hammond, but I don't think he's going to be looked at as the upper tier.

You obviously have to give him huge props for last night. He was nails and single handedly kept them in it. I did notice he came out to the edge of the crease a lot more than he did in game six. That alone probably save a goal or 2.
 

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Soccer is not as extreme though. Where in hockey there is often more than 60 shots on goal, and over 80 attempts, in soccer you often have fewer than 20 shots on goal in half again more time. Also, soccer goalies simply can't cover the net in anything close to the way a hockey goalie can, so a 'hot' goalie is still looking at a space 17-18 feet wider than her/his wingspan and two feet over his/her head.


In any case, Binnington should enjoy his 15 minutes of fame. He is not that good, despite last night.
Last night's game is why you never want to bank your season on one game. Too many fluky things can happen in a Game 7: hot goalie, bad line change, too many men on the ice, or catching a pass off a defender's helmet.

The Blues were a better team than many gave them credit for. Binnington had a good run, which I agree seems unlikely to be sustainable. But this loss felt a lot like the two losses I noted above.
 

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I didn't want to give this story any merit when I first read it before the finals but this was on point.
Sucks because Bergeron is an absolute warrior but you can make a legit argument he was the most ineffective forward for Boston in the playoffs 5V5. Backes had more 5V5 points than Bergeron. I'm sure he is off to get some sort of surgery, dam shame he can't stay healthy come the playoffs for a variety of reasons.
https://www.rotoworld.com/article/hockey-analytics/bruins-battling-bergeron
 

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So I had to drive our family car this morning to get it shipped to Germany. Drove 4 hours from KC to, of course, St. Fucking Louis.

The lady at this vehicle processing center is answering the phone “St Louis VPC, home of the Stanley Cup Champions”. I’ve never wanted to punch a mid 60’s chainsmoker more.

Seriously, kill me.
 

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Thanks for all the thoughts everyone.

This game was heartbreaking, truly. But ultimately, it is just a game. I’m glad I’m out of town and won’t be around the sports talk garbage.
This. First off, terribly sorry for your loss Haunted. Losing a parent sucks, at any age. Second, being out of town has it's positives. I live in Chicago and since the Blackhawks bandwagon lost a wheel or two this year, nobody here cares about hockey, so I haven't heard a word about it other than what I've sought out, which is nice.
 

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So I’m not looking for sympathy here. And I would not get it if I was.

But man did it suck to blow off work in NYC, have to deal with the normal series of issues I could handle by cell on the way up and during the day, go to the Garden to watch that shit show dud cock block of a game and then have to drive back in the middle of the night for four hours.

To console myself, I note that only entitled dickhead fans think their team is supposed to win every title, I got to root for the Bs for four rounds, and the Pats and Sox did just win. I could be a Buffalo fan for goodness sakes.

And...I’m tired, shocked at how awful they played last night, wondering at what, if anything, Cassidy and the veteran leaders could have done to wake them up and sickened by another Dryden Holtby rookie goalie sticking his skates up my ass.
 

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And...I’m tired, shocked at how awful they played last night, wondering at what, if anything, Cassidy and the veteran leaders could have done to wake them up and sickened by another Dryden Holtby rookie goalie sticking his skates up my ass.
The Bruins could have played just as "physical" (e.g., dirty) as the Blues once it was obvious the refs weren't calling it. I'll never understand why they didn't unless they were afraid it was going to be called against them because they weren't the better story. Or maybe they just don't know how to any more without the likes of McQuaid, Hnidy, Thornton, etc. that used to be there to fuck guys up and take the penalties to send a message. Would have loved to have seen Rask channel Thimas and knock some St. Louis skaters on their ass when they started running him.

But, hey, they're one of the favorites to win it next year. Once they get through the mourning process, anger will kick in and hopefully it'll fuel them next season and into the playoffs. Would love a rematch, but the Blues likely don't even make the tournament next season.
 

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I'm not at all convinced that taking head shots or similar play would have helped the Bruins. The league already has eyes on Marchand; hell, the announcers were calling him for a "slew foot" on a simple tripping penalty in Game 6. And I'd rather Rask focus on playing his position than trying to trip or check guys and get himself out of position or possibly hurt. Chara got hurt on a fluke play that had nothing to do with the Blues physicality.

Marchand's brain cramp cost them big time. Once the Blues were up 2-0, they were able to park the bus, especially whenever the Bergeron line was out there. It's a different game altogether if it's 1-0 to start the 2nd.

The Bruins first line wasn't great all playoffs, and was terrible in this entire series. So there's likely a lot more to the story than the Blues being a hard hitting and/or dirty team.