You must not know any biologists.speedracer said:
My stats knowledge is pretty rusty, but I'm pretty sure no responsible statistician would ever draw any conclusions from any sort of significance test where the sample size of one data set was 4.
If i am remembering correctly during the regular season McNally is left alone with the balls in the refs locker room for like 30 minutes normally....Lots of time to give the Pats a massive competitive advantage.Padaiyappa said:If this investigation was supposed to be thorough, wouldn't there be other videos of McNally disappearing with balls after the ref checks them during other games?
No really, they used a t-test???tedseye said:At the least, with a sample size that low you would switch to "non parametric" methods, which do not presume normal population distributions.
Exponent ' s use of t - testing is pretty laughable, given the absence of any logging of data to support its assertion that the starting pressures were uniformly 12.5. That would be a mean of 12.5 and an SD of 0.0. Say what?
Silverdude2167 said:If i am remembering correctly during the regular season McNally is left alone with the balls in the refs locker room for like 30 minutes normally....Lots of time to give the Pats a massive competitive advantage.
Gillette Stadium security footage is available for 10 days, then overwritten.Padaiyappa said:If this investigation was supposed to be thorough, wouldn't there be other videos of McNally disappearing with balls after the ref checks them during other games?
Hoya81 said:Gillette Stadium security footage is available for 10 days, then overwritten.
Can't we go back to the litigators quarreling with the transactional folks?notfar said:You must not know any biologists.
Helmet Head said:I wonder if the possible suspension is just window dressing to appease the masses because he knows Brady will appeal and have a good chance of winning based on the facts.
dcmissle said:Well yes. This is back in the NFL office, and it leaks like a sieve.
Bob Kraft is a smart and patient man. He is also a decent man, but decency has its limits.
Some day Goodell may need a life preserver from Kraft, and Kraft will let him drown. And when Goodell asks why, Kraft will say, you ran a bad ship.
I think they probably did but I also think the evidence is such that the suspension could get overturnedaxx said:
Do you really think the Patriots didn't intentionally deflate the balls though? I'm OK with Brady taking the fall for it even though I have a hard time believing that BB wasn't in the loop on this.
BB loves to push the limit on the rules... sometimes you push too hard and get burned.
I actually don't think they deflated the balls.axx said:
Do you really think the Patriots didn't intentionally deflate the balls though? I'm OK with Brady taking the fall for it even though I have a hard time believing that BB wasn't in the loop on this.
BB loves to push the limit on the rules... sometimes you push too hard and get burned.
Seems like the lesson to be learned here is to check the ball inflation pregame out on the field after being there long enough to equilibrate.lars10 said:Question that may have been answered somewhere... but is there a minimum for any weather condition or does it change? Given science..if you inflated your balls to the minimum that would mean on a cold day that your balls would go under the minimum... so would that mean that a team has to inflate their balls to the correct pressure above the minimum given game day temperature? Or has the NFL not thought about this at all? Same would be true for balls at the upper end and hot days...
This rule seems like it's almost impossible to comply with.
This thought experiment was brought up many times in the first iteration of this firestorm after the AFCCG.lars10 said:Question that may have been answered somewhere... but is there a minimum for any weather condition or does it change? Given science..if you inflated your balls to the minimum that would mean on a cold day that your balls would go under the minimum... so would that mean that a team has to inflate their balls to the correct pressure above the minimum given game day temperature? Or has the NFL not thought about this at all? Same would be true for balls at the upper end and hot days...
This rule seems like it's almost impossible to comply with.
tedseye said:Seems like the lesson to be learned here is to check the ball inflation pregame out on the field after being there long enough to equilibrate.
When wet-behind-the-ears Colin Kaepernick has more sense on this than all of those people in the League office combined, you have a pretty big problem.Shelterdog said:
Oh I think it's more than that. I think Kraft is lobbying starting now to get Goodell fired. Even if Brady did order the code deflate this is a shitty way for the league to build its business: you have to police the game but emphasizing the gamesmanship and rulebreaking by making investigations this high profile just (and by harshly and publicly punishing people) just reduces the attractiveness of the league and its top players and teams.
The real rule is don't win three or more Super Bowls in the cap eralars10 said:This rule seems like it's almost impossible to comply with.
dcmissle said:When wet-behind-the-ears Colin Kaepernick has more sense on this than all of those people in the League office combined, you have a pretty big problem.
Sadly, the thing on this planet likely to get RG fired the quickest is a long TB suspension that miraculously sticks.
lars10 said:Question that may have been answered somewhere... but is there a minimum for any weather condition or does it change? Given science..if you inflated your balls to the minimum that would mean on a cold day that your balls would go under the minimum... so would that mean that a team has to inflate their balls to the correct pressure above the minimum given game day temperature? Or has the NFL not thought about this at all? Same would be true for balls at the upper end and hot days...
This rule seems like it's almost impossible to comply with.
Take everyone's prediction on the Internet (about how many games they would suspend brady) find the average and give Brady that.Ed Hillel said:lol look at how Goodell extends this shit out for drama. What is he going to decide over the weekend, exactly?
Are you hearing anything about a BB suspension this time?TheoShmeo said:This isn't exactly a thunderbolt after Myers report but I just heard the same thing from someone connected to one one the networks. And it wasn't based on Myers.
Suspension, amount to be determined.
dcmissle said:Are you hearing anything about a BB suspension this time?
Here is the weird aspect of this. Most everyone assumes it's off the table because BB didn't know. But from a strictly legal perspective, it almost certainly would be easier to sustain than a TB suspension.
This has always been part of Goodell's plan to keep the NFL in the news. There's no way that report couldn't have been released a month ago.Ed Hillel said:lol look at how Goodell extends this shit out for drama. What is he going to decide over the weekend, exactly?
Kenny F'ing Powers said:Can't wait for JG to play 8 games, torch the league and go 6-2, then get traded to some schmuck organization for a first round pick and watch him turn back into a pumpkin.
Even when the Pats lose, they win.
I don't think it will happen, because I think he will suspend TB and take a first-round draft pick, and he is not going to want to look like he's trying to kill the team. But I certainly wouldn't take it off the table.Nick Kaufman said:So yeah, I guess Goodell probably does it then.
I think we are about to find out how (if we haven't already) that Kraft's supposed influence with the league is imaginary.dcmissle said:Well yes. This is back in the NFL office, and it leaks like a sieve.
Bob Kraft is a smart and patient man. He is also a decent man, but decency has its limits.
Some day Goodell may need a life preserver from Kraft, and Kraft will let him drown. And when Goodell asks why, Kraft will say, you ran a bad ship.
That was always a pipe dream that made no sense. It has always made more sense that, if anything, Goodell was trying to dispel that reputation. Goodell could have quashed this from Day 1 by issuing a statement that its a technical violation and the Patriots will be fined the proscribed $25k.Eddie Jurak said:I think we are about to find out how (if we haven't already) that Kraft's supposed influence with the league is imaginary.
There is influence, and then there is influence. No owner can dictate a particular matter. For example, whether they wanted to or not, the Steelers could not avoid the Big Ben suspension.Eddie Jurak said:I think we are about to find out how (if we haven't already) that Kraft's supposed influence with the league is imaginary.
dcmissle said:I don't think it will happen, because I think he will suspend TB and take a first-round draft pick, and he is not going to want to look like he's trying to kill the team. But I certainly wouldn't take it off the table.
Nothing short of stripping the SB win would surprise me at this point.
Sage, who has faced off against Exponent witnesses on safety issues in the past, said Toyota's hiring of Exponent was telling.
"The first thing you know is that when Exponent is brought in to help a company, that company is in big trouble," she said.
I'm not sure that's what he had in mind.bougrj1 said:Pete Rose did just get hired by Fox...
When the Patriots were caught spying on the Jets in 2007, the biggest penalties were financial. But there is hardly a monetary fine that will affect Brady.
He is not accused of using steroids or of domestic violence. Substance abusers receive a handful of games. Greg Hardy was suspended for 10 for issues related to domestic violence.
Brady should not receive a lesser punishment than that, and there is a case to be made that he should receive a more severe one. Brady is accused of something that erodes the standards of competition.
There were members of this board that claimed Biscotti did exactly this with the Rice situation.dcmissle said:There is influence, and then there is influence. No owner can dictate a particular matter. For example, whether they wanted to or not, the Steelers could not avoid the Big Ben suspension.
Can owners like Rooney and Kraft take out Goodell over time? I think so.
j44thor said:I'm surprised not more has been made of the NFL hiring Exponent to do the research/analysis. They are well known as the company to hire when you need a biased outcome.
Here is a great article on Exponent from 2010 and the work they typically engage in. This would more probably than not validate that this was always going to be a witch hunt. http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/18/business/la-fi-toyota-exponent18-2010feb18
This quote from the Toyota fiasco years back is rather telling: