TheoShmeo said:
I know it doesn't...but, even if I did think it, why the hell do you care whether I think that or not?! That's my point.
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I know it doesn't...but, even if I did think it, why the hell do you care whether I think that or not?! That's my point.
What I keep coming back to is this, the NFL already had those texts, because the pertinent ones were the ones that took place between Brady and the team personnel. So since they already have those they're clearly looking for non-pertinent communications that can be quote mined to support the conclusion they were working from. And I can't imagine that any lawyer worth more than minimum wage would ever let his client turn over cell phone records under those "heads I win tails you lose" conditions.Otis Foster said:
(And for the record I've met lawyers not worth the minimum wage. The funniest/saddest was some guy named Columbo, the last time I got stuck serving on a jury. During the lunch break he convinced his client to plead the case out because the police had fooled him by claiming they'd located a witness to the crime, not being from the area where the crime took place he didn't understand that it was physically impossible for his client to have committed a crime in one location and then get arrested five miles away on the other side of a busy downtown district five minutes later. I found out about the gambit the prosecution used from the bailiff, and after exiting the jury room I happened to see the lawyer talking with a couple of people and I couldn't resist going up to him and saying, "Good work, Columbo, we were going to acquit.")
PaulinMyrBch said:
Why is four your magic number for this? Why not go scorched earth over 3 or even 1? Just curious.
https://twitter.com/GregABedard/status/596723705985794048
Mike Paul@miketpaul
@GregABedard Funny how we haven't heard a peep from one current NFL starting QB on this! You want to guess why?
Mike Paul@miketpaul
@GregABedard Funny how we haven't heard a peep from one current NFL starting QB on this! You want to guess why?
Because I can't turn my TV, radio or computer on without hearing some trolling media talking head, clueless news reader, or jealous ex-athlete spew bullshit about a team that I've been following since 1989. We're all fucking sick of this bullshit.Return of the Dewey said:
Bleedred said:
One of the major sticking points I have with the Wells report is the conclusion they reach about how Brady must have known who McNally was, and what his game day responsibilities were, despite Brady's supposed claims to the contrary. McNally is a seasonal employee who only works home games, so Brady would have theoretically had the chance to encounter McNally a maximum of 10-12 times per year (including pre/post-season), and those interactions would have most likely consisted of inadvertent run-ins, either in the tunnel onto the field or on the sideline. In both cases, I think it's "more probable than not" Brady had more important things on his mind than taking time to introduce himself or ask who the portly guy carrying the ball bags onto the field is.
Now Brady may have had a vague idea of McNally's position, particularly if he'd been working at Gillette for years, maybe through a brief introduction following a meaningless preseason game or something like that. But since Wells provides virtually no context for Brady's denial, either through the exact phrasing of the question or a direct quote from Brady himself, it's impossible for the reader to infer for themselves just how strong and complete Brady's denial of knowing McNally was. For example:
"Jim McNally? Oh, that's his name? Yeah, I've seen that guy on the sideline from time-to-time, may have ran into him once or twice before a game this year. Do I know his position? Think JJ once told me he works the ref's locker room or something… No idea what's in his job description beyond that. No offense to those guys, I'm sure they all do great work, but I've never spent half a fucking second wondering about what people outside our locker room are doing on Sundays," is a far less firm denial than, "Jim McNally? Never heard of or seen the guy in my life, so no, I can't tell you what the hell he does."
There are people in my office that I run into at least a few times a month (much more often than Brady would've ever encountered McNally), typically riding the elevator, or grabbing lunch at the cafeteria downstairs. I recognize their faces, know they've been around for a while, but if you ask me their names, or what their job responsibilities are? No fucking clue. So I find it entirely plausible that Brady could "know" McNally by simple recognition, yet still have no idea exactly who he is or what he does.
I'm in the "disproportionately hard" camp as well.
This should really be a fine though, combined with a "clarifying the rules and moving on" statement to show there's no future possible unfair advantage accruing to any team. (Which'd be an admission that the current rules/process does not guarantee a specific PSI range in very cold/hot conditions.)
This should really be a fine though, combined with a "clarifying the rules and moving on" statement to show there's no future possible unfair advantage accruing to any team. (Which'd be an admission that the current rules/process does not guarantee a specific PSI range in very cold/hot conditions.)
Brady can appeal any punishment. Kraft already acknowledged the team has no recourse. If Goodell wants to drop the hammer, it will be on the organization. He can do what he wants and is never required to talk about it again.
lol
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 5m5 minutes ago
Could the NFL suspend Tom Brady indefinitely until he provides his cell phone
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 22s22 seconds ago
Last year, many said the NFL should have suspended Ray Rice until he provided the video. How is the Tom Brady cell phone any different?
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 5m5 minutes ago
Could the NFL suspend Tom Brady indefinitely until he provides his cell phone
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 22s22 seconds ago
Last year, many said the NFL should have suspended Ray Rice until he provided the video. How is the Tom Brady cell phone any different?
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 5m5 minutes ago
Could the NFL suspend Tom Brady indefinitely until he provides his cell phone
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 22s22 seconds ago
Last year, many said the NFL should have suspended Ray Rice until he provided the video. How is the Tom Brady cell phone any different?
Could the NFL suspend Tom Brady indefinitely until he provides his cell phone
ProFootballTalk @ProFootballTalk 22s22 seconds ago
Last year, many said the NFL should have suspended Ray Rice until he provided the video. How is the Tom Brady cell phone any different?
nighthob said:
Well, what if the Jamokes had deleted some or all of their emails? Examining TB's would be a normal way to cross-check w/not PW had all pertinent emails.
4 is my "Union goes ballistic" over/under. My personal ballistic over/under is a small fine.Tito's Pullover said:
I voted no punishment at all, and an announcement that the NFL will instruct officials to test footballs with gauges and record measurements going forward. Kravitz, Paige, and co. rend garments.
The elephant in the room:
The fuckers at the NFL who masterminded this piece of shit show (possibly Grigson, Kensil, etc.) will never be done and Patriots will be perennially in danger of these kinds of "gotcha" bag jobs.
More probable than not they'll be emboldened by DeflateGate won't stop until Pats reputation is completely in tethers, fairly or not.
The fuckers at the NFL who masterminded this piece of shit show (possibly Grigson, Kensil, etc.) will never be done and Patriots will be perennially in danger of these kinds of "gotcha" bag jobs.
More probable than not they'll be emboldened by DeflateGate won't stop until Pats reputation is completely in tethers, fairly or not.
I'd ask to see Brady's phone first. Regardless of the truth of what happened, anyone designing a defense or PR campaign needs to know what skeletons are in the closet, or if there's anything that might look like a skeleton in the closet.
Also, simple messages are best.
Also, simple messages are best.
In some ways you're right that no one should really care. Speaking for myself though, what bothers me isn't that people don't like my team. It is when a flawed or misinformed thought process is used to trash my team. The urge to correct bad logic is what often sucks me in (and yes if you search my history here long enough you'll see I have said some incredibly stupid and uninformed things in the past, and am actually grateful for the efforts people went through to set me straight, as painful as that process can be).
That would be amazing theater. And rather confusing.soxhop411 said:
Yes, we've issued the report and decided you're guilty (at some level more likely than not), but we're still investigating so need everything your phone?
From there, we'll confirm that you're guilty (or the degree thereof) and firm up the precise details of your suspension and any fines.
Would there be another report? Or would it just be for Rog's eyes only?
Just bullshit. But amazing bullshit.
J.McG said:
Maybe so, but it's not like the report tried to put the most nefarious spin on stuff and failed to provide much in the way of alternative interpretations/evidence.
SeoulSoxFan said:
Yup. One of my earliest thoughts back in January was that Goodell should have shut this down as a message to cut the crap with the whining and tattle-tail bullshit. Now he's opened the flood gates.
What makes it even more frustrating is that his practices of sending league-wide or even team-specific memos, and the bringing the hammer down when the memo is subsequently violated, makes sense even if the ultimate discipline is draconian. "You were warned, now I'm going to fuck you for defying me" is hamfisted, but at least its an ethos, Dude. Send a fucking league wide memo prior to the Championship games and institute protocols. Don't do whatever THIS is.
Now he's both arbitrary and capricious.
This is just embarrassing and pathetic. Not just a poor reflection on the NFL, but also our society at the moment.
Goodell is basically angling to give the mob what they want, regardless of proof, and the media is happy to run with his farce of an investigation to get ratings and clicks. Truly makes me sad.
Edit: BTW I think 2 games.
Goodell is basically angling to give the mob what they want, regardless of proof, and the media is happy to run with his farce of an investigation to get ratings and clicks. Truly makes me sad.
Edit: BTW I think 2 games.
I've wondered whether the Pats themselves might soon be pushed into blowing the whistle on certain teams as payback, and whether the tampering charges against the Jets might be an indication of that. I'm guessing they also have plenty of dirt on other teams but have refused to stoop to that level previously for obvious reasons (against principal and only opens themselves up to more whistle blowing when they're already on secret probation).
Now that they've had to get dragged through this nonsense again, I wonder if they are getting tempted to payback the favor to some folks.
That's why as an organization it would be wise to assume that everything they say and do is recorded and reviewed by the NFL that day. Caesar's wife standard. I've told more than one client this on more than one occasion.SeoulSoxFan said:
This does not mean they should pull any punches on the field or with regard to putting together a roster. The more surprises to piss off Harbaugh, the better.
But they probably should task someone with going through every applicable rule and ensure they are in compliance and have procedures in place. And even then, I'm not sure somebody does not try to set them up down the road.
This just demonstrates that the most minute alleged infraction can turn into a BFD, and could really put them behind an 8ball next season if somehow a suspension sticks.
I've already mentally written off next year's first-round pick, and although that certainly can be overcome, I don't know how it does not hurt.
Disclaimer: I am a diehard Pats fan.redsahx said:
That said, if the Patriots stopped doing shit to skirt the rules then they wouldn't have anything to worry about. Say what you want about how big a deal either this or SpyGate were in terms of effect on outcomes, the bottom line is the Pats did something wrong.
Otis Foster said:
Would you be ok with your lawyers having unfettered access to naked pictures of your wife?
There may be things in Brady cellphone that he wants to remain private from everyone, including his own lawyers.
I hope folks are getting ready to be disappointed. The league has always shown that they are more concerned with feeding the frenzied sharks than making the right decision.
What difference does it make? Stop doing shit they can catch you for and the league won't catch you for anything.DrewDawg said:
Not so fast. My name is Pitt, and your ass ain't talkin' its way out of this shit:
"Really, weve moved on, Pagano said when asked about Deflategate today.
Pagano said he thinks the Colts would be doing a disservice to their fans if they were focused on something going on with the Patriots, rather than focusing on how to improve their own team.
Make sure we do our job and we focus on us, Pagano said. Thats what our fans deserve."
I could have gone with, "You have to answer for Santino ..."
"Really, weve moved on, Pagano said when asked about Deflategate today.
Pagano said he thinks the Colts would be doing a disservice to their fans if they were focused on something going on with the Patriots, rather than focusing on how to improve their own team.
Make sure we do our job and we focus on us, Pagano said. Thats what our fans deserve."
I could have gone with, "You have to answer for Santino ..."