#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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ifmanis5

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If you're gonna mess with the balls, why not do the kicking balls too? A slight variation on the pressure of those balls would have much more of an effect on the game action I would think.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
If you're gonna mess with the balls, why not do the kicking balls too? A slight variation on the pressure of those balls would have much more of an effect on the game action I would think.
 
The league preps those.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
If you're gonna mess with the balls, why not do the kicking balls too? A slight variation on the pressure of those balls would have much more of an effect on the game action I would think.
 
Really?
 

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Why would a guy say something like that without doing a single iota of research? It's beyond the pale.
Collins worth suggesting that Brady should be more defiant and definitive in his denial. That is what BB & Kraft did and there are plenty of critics who skewered them for that and called them phonies and hypocrites etc. Really a no-win. If you are a Patriot hater, you are going to spin anything that any of them do or don't say to fit your own agenda. F Collinsworth for acting like he now knows something bc of the way Brady answered questions in the interview with Costas
 

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I'm just trying to understand how it is statistically possible that there were zero fumbles with those footballs.
 

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RememberTheGronkans said:


And fuck you Bill Nye. Of course, I already felt that way. But fuck you anyway. 
 
I actually just registered MediotHOF.com just to give Billy and his "science" the recognition he deserves
 

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Chris Carter really really really needs to shut the fuck up. Like stuff a bag of big porn star cocks in his mouth shut up.

Dilfer is giving it to him good though.
 
When the Patriots are exonerated, Chris Carter needs to be fired.
 

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Beaten to it, but Dilfer took Chris Carter to school. 
 
Dilfer: It makes no difference at all
CC: It's a difference of opinion! I respect your opinion....
 

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During the last week leading up to Super Bowl XLIX on Sunday, Brady's reputation continued to be questioned, continued to be torn apart.
"He is all class," Brady Sr. said. "For people to question his integrity ... "
He shook his head.
"The drip, drip, drip way that things have come out," he said, referring to leaks during the investigation. "It's a conniving way to do business. ... There was no sting? B.S. They've never gauged footballs at halftime."
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12266539/super-bowl-xlix-tom-brady-sr-discusses-impact-deflategate-son
 

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Comfortably Lomb said:
So after watching Goodell play shrinking violet over the past few days and basically disappear after the game... what is the over/under on days before he is no longer commissioner?
3800? I'll be surprised if this impacts his tenure.
 

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Wow. Just watched Kraft with Sal Pal on ESPN and went after the NFL and all the leaks. Goodell, your days are numbered.
 

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3800? I'll be surprised if this impacts his tenure.
 
I wouldn't be too sure of that.  He has boxed himself into a bad place.
 
This non-issue has been so badly mishandled that whatever he ultimately does he will enrage a significant percentage of his bosses.  That doesn't bode well for long-term job security. 
 

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"Armen Keteyian has an eye-opening interview with NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent on Showtime’s “60 Minutes Sports” show that airs Tuesday night.
Two things surprised me the most. Vincent admitted it was Colts GM Ryan Grigson who turned in the Patriots for the suspected under-inflated football."
 
Should GM's be making that kind of complaint to the league?
 
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/02/super-bowl-49-patriots-defeat-seahawks/print/
 

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Hoya81 said:
 
"Armen Keteyian has an eye-opening interview with NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent on Showtime’s “60 Minutes Sports” show that airs Tuesday night.
Two things surprised me the most. Vincent admitted it was Colts GM Ryan Grigson who turned in the Patriots for the suspected under-inflated football."
 
Should GM's be making that kind of complaint to the league?
 
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/02/super-bowl-49-patriots-defeat-seahawks/print/
 
 
Should the NFL give credence to a guy who traded a first round pick for Trent Richardson?
 

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Hoya81 said:
 
"Armen Keteyian has an eye-opening interview with NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent on Showtime’s “60 Minutes Sports” show that airs Tuesday night.
Two things surprised me the most. Vincent admitted it was Colts GM Ryan Grigson who turned in the Patriots for the suspected under-inflated football."
 
Should GM's be making that kind of complaint to the league?
 
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/02/02/super-bowl-49-patriots-defeat-seahawks/print/
 
 
Some of us have been making this same point for literally 2 weeks:  that turning this into a "serious violation that will be investigated", Goodell set a precedent that rewards people who amount to nothing more than spiteful tattle-tails.   For, like, the 100,000th time:  he should have said they'd look into it after the season because it was a technical equipment violation that had no bearing on performance.  The end.  Then he should have told Grigson to cut the shit in private.
 

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Sorry I don't have a link or more data, but the Seattle local news just now teased a "new report" that only one of twelve balls measured under 12.5. Sorry if it's a red herring, but hopefully someone can confirm. I wouldn't put it past this local news to report inaccurately, but it seemed worth mentioning here.

EDIT: It's the same source as Rapoport, but slightly more sensationalized. Carry on.
 

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Wade Boggs Hair said:
Sorry I don't have a link or more data, but the Seattle local news just now teased a "new report" that only one of twelve balls measured under 12.5. Sorry if it's a red herring, but hopefully someone can confirm. I wouldn't put it past this local news to report inaccurately, but it seemed worth mentioning here.
 
 
Ian Rapoport reported this yesterday. It's in this thread sometime late yesterday morning...
 
 

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Not sure if this is the right thread for the press conference.
 
- Brady still sounds really sick.
 
- Brady saying again how proud he is of the team for not giving up.
 
- Q: How much longer can you keep doing this?  A: I love doing this.
 
- Q: Talk about 4th quarter.  A:  I made a few stupid throws to put us in the hole ... Coaches put in a lot of work to get us to this point ... We had 2 great weeks of practice ...
 
Edit:
 
- Q: Were you concerned Edelman had a concussion?  A: Yeah he took a big hit ... He ran an in cut and Chancellor gave him a big hit ... We're from the same area of California, for him to work his way up the depth chart speaks to him and his work ethic and upbringing.  Just a phenomenal player who played the biggest game of his life in the biggest game of his career. We had a great time last night talking about it.
 
- Q: When Kearse made that play were you having Tyree flashbacks?  A: I turned away to celebrate because I thought it was knocked away, and then he got up and started running and I was like "What happened?" I was confident the whole game we were going to win, but that play gave me a little bit of doubt... but then the defense made an amazing play.  ... It took us 99 yards of the football field to stop them.
 
Another edit:  Haha this is so strange.  The regional manager of Chevrolet West is speaking and presenting Brady with his truck, and just said something like:
 
"This is the most capable versatile truck on the mid-sized truck market... just like Tom Brady."
 
I feel like the entire world has gone surreal since that magic bullet flubber-style slow-motion heart attack inducing bizarro juggling bouncing miracle catch by Kearse, and it's just continuing.
 
Belichick speaking now. 
 

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Belichick just brought up halftime in KC again:  
 
(paraphrase): "I thought our team played as hard as we could play.  We didn't play well, we didn't coach well, but we competed as hard as we could.  I thought that was a tough night for us ... and I thought in the end that was a key moment for our football team."
 
on Revis: "We tried to sign Aqib ... He ended up going to Denver ... Revis was available ... Sometimes those things just work out."
 

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Since we debated the idea that the NFL purposefully stoked the Deflategate fire to increase Super Bowl ratings...
 
The game did a 49.7 overnight rating, which is a record.  But, that's just 4% higher than last year's blowout, and 3% higher than Ravens-49ers from the year before.  Like I kept saying, Super Bowl ratings are remarkably consistent.  The teams playing and the closeness of the game have a very small impact on the overall audience.  
 
It never made sense that the NFL would risk trashing the reputation of the league (well, trash it *more*) to gain 4% in TV ratings.
 

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Agreed, I mentioned somewhere earlier in this Goliath of a thread that I thought the NFL stood to lose more than it gained. Like a few million others, I'm very interested to see not only the results of the NFL's horribly conducted "investigation", but would love to see some sort of report on the handling of this complete cluster fuck. I'm guessing the latter is a bit much to ask.
 

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dynomite said:
 
- Q: Were you concerned Edelman had a concussion?  A: Yeah he took a big hit ... He ran an in cut and Chancellor gave him a big hit ... We're from the same area of California, for him to work his way up the depth chart speaks to him and his work ethic and upbringing.  Just a phenomenal player who played the biggest game of his life in the biggest game of his career. We had a great time last night talking about it.
 
 
I didn't know Edelman was from CA until this weekend. Place of birth is Redwood City, 7 miles down 101 from San Mateo, where Brady is from. Julian even went to College of San Mateo before Kent State. I'd always thought he was a Midwest guy because of Kent State. Duh. In an interview sometime before the game, I did hear him say, when asked about Ohio, gee, all the cars you see there are American made. Too bad he didn't win a Chevy truck also. 
 

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Kraft should put together a handful of owners who all chip in to investigate the NFL, what the NFL knew, when it knew it, and why it held on to information like it did....
 

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As was mentioned pages ago, Grigson worked for the Rams and Eagles when those teams lost Super Bowls to the Patriots
 

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Would love if the Pats have solid evidence about the Colts piping in crowd noise for years and dropped the dime as a by the way fuck you,
 

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Would love if the Pats have solid evidence about the Colts piping in crowd noise for years and dropped the dime as a by the way fuck you,
 
There's unmistakeable audio evidence from the 2006 AFCCG.  But no one cares because it doesn't fit a lazy, pre-existing narrative.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
Ah that's right I forgot. My bad.
 
I'm guessing that'll be the case with all the balls starting next year.
 

No they won't. The league wants offense and there's more offense when the QBs have balls that they like,


 
Comfortably Lomb said:
So after watching Goodell play shrinking violet over the past few days and basically disappear after the game... what is the over/under on days before he is no longer commissioner?
  

SumnerH said:
3800? I'll be surprised if this impacts his tenure.
Exactly. As long as the league is wildly popular and profitable, the owners will not mess with success.
 
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Peter King's latest MMQB column (I know, I know) contains this section, with one relevant nugget bolded here:
 


A bad look for NFL vice president Troy Vincent
 
Armen Keteyian has an eye-opening interview with NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent on Showtime’s “60 Minutes Sports” show that airs Tuesday night.
Two things surprised me the most. Vincent admitted it was Colts GM Ryan Grigson who turned in the Patriots for the suspected underinflated football. And there was this exchange with Keteyian that, quite frankly, makes Vincent look just terrible, regarding the exhaustive investigation of the Ray Rice case by former FBI director Robert Mueller:
 
Keteyian: “Did you read the Mueller report?”
Vincent: “No sir.”
Keteyian: “You did not?”
Vincent: “No sir.”
Keteyian: “And as the head of game operations in your position, why not?”
Vincent: “The crime had already been committed … There was a ton of public speculation at the time what we did, what we didn’t do. We acknowledge we made a mistake. We didn’t apply the proper discipline. I’m not sure how much we can continue to keep talking about that particular …”
 
Whoa. This is like Sarah Palin not being able to tell Katie Couric what newspaper she read—because she apparently read none. It’s bad enough to not have read the Mueller report. It’s worse to act like you shouldn’t havelike the report was useless, when it clearly was not.
 
So aside from it being a secondhand report, this at least confirms or clarifies one detail in the chain of events - it was Barzini Grigson all along.  Presumably Irsay just knew of it in order to leak news of the reporting later that night.
 

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I have skimmed this thread (with rage) pretty consistently, and I have not seen this in here. If it's a repeat, my apologies.
 
This is an article that was published on the Rolling Stone website last week, then quickly taken down. I think it cuts to the heart of this whole stupidity and why it became the focus of the sports and news media for the past couple weeks:
 
Everything Stupid Is Alive, and Everything Stupid Can Kill You
 
And here's a Deadspin breakdown of the appearance and disappearance of said article.
 

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Lose Remerswaal said:
 

Exactly. As long as the league is wildly popular and profitable, the owners will not mess with success.
It was wildly popular and profitable before Goodell, so its not as though correlation equals causation here. A monkey could hold the title of commish and the league will make money.

Goodell has been at the helm for PR disaster after PR disaster. I don't think replacing him will hurt profitability or popularity. It likely can only help.