#DFG: Canceling the Noise

Is there any level of suspension that you would advise Tom to accept?


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tims4wins

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Ferm Sheller said:
If/when the Pats are fully exonerated, Kraft should announce that he's making a large contribution to the National Science Foundation or other worthy scientific organization.  Really come out smelling like a rose.
Awesome. Then everyone could accuse him of paying off the scientists. Cheating again!
 

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Ferm Sheller said:
If/when the Pats are fully exonerated, Kraft should announce that he's making a large contribution to the National Science Foundation or other worthy scientific organization.  Really come out smelling like a rose.
 
"On behalf of Thomas Brady, William Belichick and the entire Patriots organization..."
 

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Remember how everyone made fun of ABA player Marvin Barnes because he wouldn't get on a plane leaving Louisville at 8:00 and arriving in St. Louis at 7:55 because the only possible explanation was that it was a time machine?  All these people in the media and elsewhere who determined that the only way pressure can drop in a football is through sneaky human manipulation just proved themselves to be basically at the same intellectual level as Barnes.
 

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8slim said:
100% of people thought the world was flat in the 1400s before Columbus discovered the New World.  
 
If it was a "new" world, why were there already people there?
 

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GregHarris said:
He follow that up with a re-tweet about the tired old line about the Colts balls not being under.
 
Gregg Doyel @GreggDoyelStar  ·  18m 18 minutes ago

Million-dollar question. NFL has to tell us about this. RT @afanacct: @GreggDoyelStar then why no drop for Colts footballs?

 
Who gives a shit about the Colts balls?  Stop trying to use the Colts balls as some sort of control group, it makes science facepalm.
 
Because if the Colts balls didn't drop, it may be evidence that they (a) overinflated the balls beyond the legal limit or (b) tampered with the balls.
 

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tims4wins said:
Awesome. Then everyone could accuse him of paying off the scientists. Cheating again!
 
Dummies would think this way, but there's no convincing the dummies anyway.
 

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GregHarris said:
He follow that up with a re-tweet about the tired old line about the Colts balls not being under.
 
Gregg Doyel @GreggDoyelStar  ·  18m 18 minutes ago

Million-dollar question. NFL has to tell us about this. RT @afanacct: @GreggDoyelStar then why no drop for Colts footballs?

 
Who gives a shit about the Colts balls?  Stop trying to use the Colts balls as some sort of control group, it makes science facepalm.
 
This is where we enter the death spiral of speculation. Were the Colts balls over-inflated slightly to the point that when they deflated they still fell within the 12.5-13.5 PSI range. We'll never know because Walt Anderson.... 
 

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GregHarris said:
He follow that up with a re-tweet about the tired old line about the Colts balls not being under.
 
Gregg Doyel @GreggDoyelStar  ·  18m 18 minutes ago

Million-dollar question. NFL has to tell us about this. RT @afanacct: @GreggDoyelStar then why no drop for Colts footballs?

 
Who gives a shit about the Colts balls?  Stop trying to use the Colts balls as some sort of control group, it makes science facepalm.
 
This boy needs some A B Cs...
 
a) Not a $1M question. Probably more along the lines of a $1.50 question, or something that a minimum wage stringer could come up with in 10 min
b) The NFL doesn't "have" to tell you jack. Heck, they haven't told AN OWNER WHO THEY'RE SLANDERING jack.
c) What GregHarris said
 

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Is there going to be a game thread for Goodell's press conference? I would like someplace to write a constant stream of obscenities about him.
 

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BrazilianSoxFan said:
 
Because if the Colts balls didn't drop, it may be evidence that they (a) overinflated the balls beyond the legal limit or (b) tampered with the balls.
 
Or, more likely, that in the time it took them to measure the Patriots balls that they simply returned to the state they were originally inflated in. If you're pressure gauging every ball, and 15 minutes seems to be the magic number, it doesn't really seem to be too unlikely that in the time they spent bringing the balls in, unpacking them, and testing the Patriots balls that the PSI would re-normalize. Also, we don't know that they didn't drop, just that they were still legal.
 

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The question about the Colts' balls is a bad joke at this point, like why don't they make the whole plane out of the black box?
 

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Someone tweet back to Doyel that the Colts tampered with their own balls. It will blow his mind.
 

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BrazilianSoxFan said:
 
Because if the Colts balls didn't drop, it may be evidence that they (a) overinflated the balls beyond the legal limit or (b) tampered with the balls.
 
Or they re-measured them indoors a couple of hours after the game.
 

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I expect wide-eyed, doofus looking face, lots of water drinking, deflection, avoidance, blame the media (which would actually be good this time), etc.  I only hope Howard Stern's idiot shows up again but is more clearly heard this time.
 
Over/under on number of times he's asked if he should resign - 3
 

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Harry Hooper said:
Someone tweet back to Doyel that the Colts tampered with their own balls. It will blow his mind.
 
When this whole thing went down last week my 7 year old was adamant that "the Colts coach sabotaged us".  I am praying to every possible deity that he turns out to be correct.
 

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Not sure why a game thread is needed for this. One of the most powerful shitbags in the United States isn't going to say anything incriminating because a few pesky media members ask him a few tough questions. He'll look like a fool, no doubt, but the owners have already made up their mind about this tool.
 

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8slim said:
 
When this whole thing went down last week my 7 year old was adamant that "the Colts coach sabotaged us".  I am praying to every possible deity that he turns out to be correct.
 
Nah, I like Pagano. Irsay/Grigson make for better villains
 

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I hope every parent whose kid was lectured by an insane, overzealous teacher has taken whatever steps are necessary to punch that teacher in the face.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
Funny clip from Kimmel last night.
 
http://youtu.be/feuNeJewzDo
Happened to be watching this at the time on TV. Absolutely hilarious. Affleck scares me.
 

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8slim said:
100% of people thought the world was flat in the 1400s before Columbus discovered the New World.  
 
Well, not exactly.
 
 
 
Claudius Ptolemy (90–168 AD) lived in Alexandria, the centre of scholarship in the 2nd century. In the Almagest, which remained the standard work of astronomy for 1,400 years, he advanced many arguments for the spherical nature of the Earth. Among them was the observation that when a ship is sailing towards mountains, observers note these seem to rise from the sea, indicating that they were hidden by the curved surface of the sea. He also gives separate arguments that the Earth is curved north-south and that it is curved east-west.[26]
 
 
 
Abu Rayhan Biruni (973-1048) used a new method to accurately compute the Earth's circumference, by which he arrived at a value that was close to modern values for the Earth's circumference.[49] His estimate of 6,339.9 km for the Earth radius was only 16.8 km less than the modern value of 6,356.7 km. In contrast to his predecessors, who measured the Earth's circumference by sighting the Sun simultaneously from two different locations, Biruni developed a new method of using trigonometric calculations based on the angle between a plain and mountain top. This yielded more accurate measurements of the Earth's circumference and made it possible for a single person to measure it from a single location.
 

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ifmanis5 said:
Funny clip from Kimmel last night.
 
http://youtu.be/feuNeJewzDo
Fuck Simmons for saying the Pats will cut Brady over this defaltegate BS then appear in this otherwise funny video for a few frames...
 

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BrazilianSoxFan said:
 
Because if the Colts balls didn't drop, it may be evidence that they (a) overinflated the balls beyond the legal limit or (b) tampered with the balls.
 
The Patriots' footballs were measured (still no confirmation of whether it was by an actual gauge or simply by feel) before the game.  Then at halftime.  Then after the game.
 
The Colts' footballs were measured before the game and after the game.  We have no knowledge that they were measured at halftime, which is when the drop in psi would have registered.  And all we know is that the Colts' footballs were within regulation every time they were inspected.
 
So……. I'm pretty sure that whatever psi the Colts' footballs were at when they were first inspected by Walt Anderson and his crew, it had dropped by halftime, and then perhaps raised again in the warmth of the building after the game was over.  
 
It's possible that if they *were* inspected at halftime, they still would have been within regulations.  Perhaps starting at 13.5, then deflating to 12.5.  All within regs.
 
 
Long story short:  people keep repeating that the Colts' footballs didn't deflate.  And that is simply erroneous.  We do not know that AT ALL.  
 

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Jed Zeppelin said:
 
So what you're saying is if this scandal is any indication, we're actually getting dumber.
 
We've been getting dumber since Eve offered Adam the apple 5,103 years ago
 

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8slim said:
Is there going to be a game thread for Goodell's press conference? I would like someplace to write a constant stream of obscenities about him.
 
I'd rather this be the game thread. I'm at work and the weird malware glitches when I click on a forum index make me nervous. It's been the gamethread for everything else already.
 

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I think Blandino already laid the groundwork for this thing to fizzle out. I wouldn't be surprised to have him take that a step further and hints toward an eventual finding of no wrongdoing. But he won't give anything concrete.
 

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This is going to be a page out of Mark McGwire's "Let's talk about the future..." bullshit book.
 

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simplyeric said:
 
 
I see what you are saying.  Maybe I've inserted too many moving parts.
 
I do think that the refs could do the inspection in a tent on the sideline (one of those pop-up four post things that you see everywhere).  The rain and wind (and sun) are variables that can be excluded, but temp seems iffy.  If you just set everything at X psi in a ~70d room, they'd be playing with a noticeably different ball in a September game in AZ or TX or FL, compared to a December game in Buffalo.  If a tighter ball is generally "more accurate" than a slightly deflated one, you're effectively giving a structural advantage to warm-weather teams (if you believe that, and a non-frivolous case could be made that it's real).  Then again, maybe that balances out (cold weather teams would be more used to the softer ball, even if it theroetically is a less accurate missile).
 
So, have the inflation done at/near game temperature, and eliminate all the other moving parts
Just codify that after the balls are tested/inflated "at game temperature", any other fluctuation is understood as part of the game.  (I mean, it's still football...the refs are suposed to be taking the time to check the balls anyway, and the refs can go outside for a while, and a simple fabric tent would shelter them from wind and rain, while providing pretty close to "game temp" conditions)
By insisting the refs stand out in a blizzard before the game to test 48 balls, you're still making a big deal out of something thsr has never been a big deal before. Outdoor, especially cold weather teams have a disadvantage on offensive numbers? No kidding. Of course they do, and it has very little to do with the pressure of the football. As long as their opponent each Sunday is subjected to the same game time conditions, who cares???

Edit: Just make the testing conditions room temp X minutes before game and be done with it. Everything else is just noise.
 

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