#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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Marbleheader said:
This pretty much sums it up.
12+ wins for a decade will do that. "Parity" they call it.
About right. I'm guessing he told Jastremski that he and his buddy better have the balls the way he likes them next time. So they did. I mean, the idea that he was "generally aware"--doesn't seem way off to me. He gave them an order, and knew it was possible that they'd follow the order by letting air out of the balls. He had no actual knowledge of what they did, and didn't want to know, and wasn't worried about it because no one thought it was a big deal before the AFCCG. So, Wells may have gotten it right.Kenny F said:
The unstated bullshit premise, however, is that this matters at all.
Edit: Lying about McNally was stupid, and may be the reason he withheld his emails/texts--not sure which came first.
Already forgotten: that a shitload of people (including NFL players) can't tell the difference between 12.5 and 11.5 PSI even in indoors.
I find it odd that D'qwell Jackson - the guy who picked the ball and said he didn't notice any issues with it - was not interviewed for this report.
Serious question: since he is one of the few people that actually handled one of the balls in question, wouldn't he be a person of interest to speak with?
Serious question: since he is one of the few people that actually handled one of the balls in question, wouldn't he be a person of interest to speak with?
So which current NFL QB(s) come out in defense of #12?
Aaron Rodgers we turn our lonely eyes to you.
Aaron Rodgers we turn our lonely eyes to you.
My 3 Games to Glory disc arrives today. Not sure if that is great timing or terrible timing.
I would like to see Brady comment soon. I also can't imagine why the Pats don't press a little harder on the lack of evidence. It is just amazing that this entire thing hangs on the old guy maybe not pissing.
I also love the way the texts are all about over-inflating balls because Brady is a bit of a prick. How, if they were not doing it, did these two employees avoid an actually specific, damning text in this process given than they do exchange texts without any apparent fear of the exchanges becoming public? Something along the lines of "there is no video camera in the bathroom so I think we're fine."
The more I think of it the more awful the language of 'probable' seems.
I also love the way the texts are all about over-inflating balls because Brady is a bit of a prick. How, if they were not doing it, did these two employees avoid an actually specific, damning text in this process given than they do exchange texts without any apparent fear of the exchanges becoming public? Something along the lines of "there is no video camera in the bathroom so I think we're fine."
The more I think of it the more awful the language of 'probable' seems.
lexrageorge said:
No he won't.
He'll say (if he says anything at all) that Brady, just like every other QB in the league, lets his equipment guys know how he likes his balls. And that this is a practice that the league not only knows about, but has endorsed through the rule Brady and Manning pushed through 9 years ago. And that, at worst, the guys in charge of implementing Brady's requested preferences fucked up.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
Exactly where I'm at.
Add to this Brady texting/calling Jastermski (since he had no idea who McNally was) after the shit hits the fan to try and figure out what the hell happened since all he did was bitch about the balls being overinflated by the Refs.
My conclusion: this whole investigation is a pile of bullshit and the fact that they spent millions of dollars and spent 103 days to come to the vague conclusion speaks to the joke the NFL office is.
MarcSullivaFan said:
I mean, it's pretty clear Jastremski/McNally deflated balls before (McNally calls himself "the deflator" before the start of the season), but there's a very strong possibility that he deflated footballs from 14-15 psi down to the 12.5-13.5 range.
Before the AFC championship game, he tells the ref's Brady wants the balls at 12.5 psi. Unsure if they comply (they do), he went the extra mile to confirm the balls were softer and let some air out in the bathroom. It resulted in under-inflated balls that even Brady wasn't comfortable playing with (shitty first half numbers, better second half numbers after balls are reinflated).
Anyway, that's my theory. I think they've been doing this for a while, but it's never been an issue because (A) nobody gives a shit and (B) the balls are often over-inflated so it brings them down to an appropriate range. In this game, the ref's actually listened to McNally and the balls were pumped to 12.5 psi (they usually are higher) and McNally doubled the efforts to ensure they were to Tom's liking.
I'm not sure that any of that actually makes Tom guilty of anything, but, whatever.
My guess is that probably more like than not none of these "Brady's legacy is gone" fuckers have ever watched Rashomon.
Yup. Not good for Tom. This is standard in civil litigation. I can think of no reason he wouldn't turn these over or confirm that he had none, other than (1) they showed direct culpability; or (2) they contradicted something he had already said to the league or publicly.DrewDawg said:
~ Brady suspended for 2 games and fined 100K, the main reasoning will be for his lying during the report and press conference. Probably see some major redresses on appeal.
~ Organization fined something menial like 50K and will lose a 4th-5th round pick.
~ Organization fined something menial like 50K and will lose a 4th-5th round pick.
DrewDawg said:
Why would it matter? They had all texts between Tom and the equipment manager by using the equipment managers phone. What other information would they need?
MarcSullivaFan said:
Or the NFLPA told him to tell Wells to get bent, as has already been suggested.
Shannon Sharpe and other players moronic reactions to deflated footballs while staying silent on players beating their wives and girlfriends. Seriously, fuck off.
Roger Goodell: So that's all you have for an update? What happened with that extra interview you were trying to get?Myt1 said:
Paul Weiss: We were successful in negotiating a 4th and final interview with the witness, and we believe that's all we'll need, as he was able to help us close any remaining gaps.
RG: Final? Who do they think they're dealing with? I expect full cooperation with this investigation. The integrity of the league is at stake here! Call him for another interview. If he refuses to show, I'd like it documented in the report.
I was referencing the old Kraft statement to Belichick following Spygate. That last sentence was not intended to be taken seriously. Publicly, Belichick will say nothing that would denigrate Brady in any way.drleather2001 said:
What will get Brady is the fact that he claimed he did not know McNally. He was caught in a lie, and Goodell will not take that lightly. The cover up is always punished more severely than the crime, even if the "crime" itself is total nonsense. But the NFLPA will fight any suspension hard; Brady was one of the named plaintiffs during the labor dispute.
MarcSullivaFan said:
I'm currently in two discovery disputes over cell phone records. They are not handed over willingly, at least not in my cases. Maybe you have experience with really nice lawyers who give you access to stuff, but when I ask for cell phone records it almost always leads to a discovery conference and me berating defense counsel that their objection is absurd.
Then it settles before I get them. A shame, I tell you. Fucking lawyers.
Pxer said:
Brady $250K, team $500K. Loss of multiple draft picks.
I think the NFL is going to cave to public sentiment and inflict a punishment that is as at least as harsh as spygate if not harder.
i dont think this is logical....the report nearly exonerates the team. But logic often avoids Goodell.
Kenny F'ing Powers said:
That's not really how investigations work. Nor should it be. Just as an example, since tjhey "know" Brady and the equp mgr are texting about it, it is not unreasonable to think that maybe, possibly Brady is texting with others about it. They shouldnt be allowed a wild goose chase, but to say they had "no reason" I think ignores reality.
AB in DC said:
It's not even that. We "know" Brady lied because to people who start with the premise that Brady instructed people to break the rules, it's implausible that he didn't know the names of the people he was telling to break the rules.
The initial premise was never proven.
Of course Brady didn't have to hand over his phone. Nobody had to. They didn't have subpoena power.
drleather2001 said:
It isn't. But in civil litigation, when one side refuses to turn over what I think should be turned over, I can ask the judge for a ruling. Or if they destroy the phone, I can ask the judge to instruct the jury that the jury can draw a negative inference from the destruction. Obviously those options aren't available to Wells's people. So they are left with 2 choices: they can say "no problem Tom, that's OK we understand, you have every right not to" or they can draw a negative inference.
The Opportunist Brigade is going to be incredibly annoying over the next few weeks. My advice to myself and others: Screw them and ignore them.
I just read the report quickly.
Here's my question: How does Wells, or anyone else for that matter, get to the conclusion that Brady wanted balls BELOW 12.5? I get that he wanted balls to be deflated, but I see nothing anywhere that suggests reasonably that he wanted balls to be below the prescribed level.
Am I missing something?
I just read the report quickly.
Here's my question: How does Wells, or anyone else for that matter, get to the conclusion that Brady wanted balls BELOW 12.5? I get that he wanted balls to be deflated, but I see nothing anywhere that suggests reasonably that he wanted balls to be below the prescribed level.
Am I missing something?
RedOctober3829 said:
The amazing thing is that even to people on this site who approach this whole thing with a critical eye, the NFL has created this aura that they have the same credibility and power as a fucking court of law simply because they hired a law firm to help them out.
Jesus.
AB in DC said:
Please post more often. You're completely correct, though I think it will be a large fine knocked down to the $25K in the CBA, because De Smith is so ready to fuck with Goodell. The NFLPA has been waiting for a player discipline case it can "win"; it doesn't get any better than the greatest QB in the history of the game fined more than the proscribed punishment.
Goodell, because he's not totally stupid, knows this and passed the buck to Troy Vincent.
@mikefreemanNFL: NFL source says Tom Brady suspension "definitely on the table." http://t.co/VMOp3bp9X2