#DFG: Canceling the Noise
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BB is using the hell out of this to light the fire under the players.
I bet a lot of them feel cheated and frankly angry that media and some fans are taking credit away from the win they worked so hard for all year.
It has to be worth at least a .5 point swing in Pats favor in Vegas.
I bet a lot of them feel cheated and frankly angry that media and some fans are taking credit away from the win they worked so hard for all year.
It has to be worth at least a .5 point swing in Pats favor in Vegas.
Plus having their field communication systems mysteriously malfunction two straight years in the playoffs against the Giants. Look into what Parcells had to say about that.Harry Hooper said:
This is how I've dealt with it since spygate broke. We cheated, big deal, and maybe the team you root for wouldn't be so pathetic if they tried it themselves.Kliq said:
This is football, something that's pretty damn insignificant in the grand scheme of things, so I couldn't give the slightest fraction of a fuck about my team cheating to help them win a game.
They are handed in to the nfl officials, tested, handed to the refs for inspection, then held until almost game time. They are then given to the blue crew(ball boys) to handle for the game. If it's bad weather, they'll keep backup balls back in a room to substitute in if any balls get water logged.riboflav said:
Oh I know Bill DGAF. But he still reportedly had to waste hours talking to the NFL about Spygate before that Super Bowl.LuckyBen said:
It's not some baseless, out-of-thin-air mediastorm the NFL needs to deal with any more, it's a bunch of under inflated footballs. I don't think anyone is going to give a rat's ass about what some PR hairdo has to say during the morning talk-show rounds on ESPN89. It's going to take BB or Kraft out front to present a credible explanation of what happened.singaporesoxfan said:
From the Aaron Rodgers quotes it was stated that the rules were changed after Peyton Manning petitioned the league because the balls were too tough out of the box. Just curious if this was when he was a member of the Colts. Would be a funny little twist to this stupid little 'scandal.'
From the Aaron Rodgers quotes it was stated that the rules were changed after Peyton Manning petitioned the league because the balls were too tough out of the box. Just curious if this was when he was a member of the Colts. Would be a funny little twist to this stupid little 'scandal.'
I think that's the tack the Pats take. I hope its true.pappymojo said:
But I don't know what to think.
#disappointed
well this took a sudden turn.
the twelfth ball must have been the one brady threw for a pick.
the twelfth ball must have been the one brady threw for a pick.
RedOctober3829 said:
And per the rules, they just have to be delivered to the refs, pre-game at between 12.5 PSI and 13.5 PSI. There is no obligation of the team to monitor the inflation of the balls mid game? This is what makes this so hard to pin on a deliberate attempt by the Pats/Ball Boys/whoever, since there are weather impacts (I think I saw on Twitter the weather in that game would have a -0.4 PSI impact going from room temp to game temp). Additionally, you have multiple 300 LB dudes falling on the ball, the ball hitting the ground constantly, and then players spiking them. To our knowledge, the league has no clue what the cumulative impacts of those events are.
If the Pats delivered 11 of 12 balls to the officials at 11 PSI, then shame on them, and they need to be fined. But outside some elaborate scheme, which is unlikely, it seems to be very difficult to get a true expected reading on mid and post-game PSI.
RedOctober3829 said:
If this is the procedure, it's almost inconceivable that the Patriots had anything to do with this. It's also inconceivable that the NFL is dragging their heels on this. I get that they want their ducks in a row to be able to explain EXACTLY what happened but the whole world now thinks the Patriots were responsible. The only way some of that is reversed is if the NFL says our refs screwed up and the Patriots bear no blame.
EDIT: Even then, folks will just assume the NFL is conspiring to cover this up. So, never mind.
Everyone is jumping to conclusions that the Patriots intentionally did this and are just as bad as the people we've made fun of for belittling Spygate. Take a deep breath, relax, and let the facts come out. If it's proven that they doctored the balls after the fact then yes that's completely shady.
I would like for Brady to say that he was so happy when the officials finally got around to inflating the balls at halftime. The first half balls had been approved but felt a little light to him. With the fully inflated balls, he was able to score at will.
I guess I didn't write clearly - totally agree that you need someone high up to front the PR effort. Preferably Kraft. I doubt BB would do it, and it would be a waste of valuable coaching and prep time. PR team preps them. Pretty much standard crisis comms.P'tucket said:
Yeah I wouldn't say as bad, but given we laugh at the media on a regular basis on here with cause and laugh at the NFL investigation procedure with cause, even if you think this is a major issue if true lets at least wait to see what happened rather than rely on innuendo.RedOctober3829 said:
BroodsSexton said:
I think the insinuation is that this level of rigor is what is expected, but over time (some?) refs have taken shortcuts.
Of course, the other possibility is that the balls were deflated post-check, but I'm really hoping we aren't there.
Even if it is true that the Patriots deliberately deflated the balls, is it really that big of an offense? I don't mean how people interpret this but how it really is.
Deflating the ball to improve grip/control/whatever ranks right around scuffing a baseball to get better snap on breaking pitches in my opinion. It's against the rules, sure, but accusations of it aren't generally followed by calls for the heads of the accused, and it's accepted as just something that goes on in the game.
It's not like we snuck over to Indy's sideline and laced their Gatorade container with Ebola.
Deflating the ball to improve grip/control/whatever ranks right around scuffing a baseball to get better snap on breaking pitches in my opinion. It's against the rules, sure, but accusations of it aren't generally followed by calls for the heads of the accused, and it's accepted as just something that goes on in the game.
It's not like we snuck over to Indy's sideline and laced their Gatorade container with Ebola.
I think it's likely that the Pats didn't do this intentionally - most likely everything was done by feel. But they're not doing a good job of conveying why the balls were under inflated IMO.RedOctober3829 said:
I think we have to grudgingly accept that the Patriots cheated and should be required to forfeit their Super Bowl appearance. Also, the Seahawks should forefeit due to half their team being doped up. Green Bay should foreit due to Aaron Rodgers admiting to overinflating balls. Indy should forfeit for piping noise into their stadium. Denver should forfeit for a combination of drugs and salary cap chicanery. Baltimore should forfeit for drugs covering up domestic abuse etc. Dallas should forfeit because of salary cap cheating. Detroit should forfeit due to attempting to injure opposing players. So your clean, above board (ish) Super Bowl XLIX? The Cincinati Bengals vs. The Carolina Panthers. Enjoy.
Again, I find it hypocritical that it's accepted that QBs are allowed to wear a glove to enhance grip but against the rules to adjust PSI.BornToRun said:
It's not bad in terms of outcome of the game, but it would be shady and show bad judgment. Like it wouldn't take any enjoyment away from me out of watching the Super Bowl, but it would make me think a bit less about the judgment of whoever was behind it. Not exactly in line with the no distractions way this team likes to do business.BornToRun said:
I almost wonder if someone tipped off the Colts equipment manager that Belichick was going to cirsumvent the rules.
I personally don't care all that much about this. But on a serious note, while the most likely explanation is probably just poor oversight by the refs on balls that were under inflated, this is an especially bad time for Goodell to admit to the league dropping the ball yet again with a poorly designed/enforced policy.
I personally don't care all that much about this. But on a serious note, while the most likely explanation is probably just poor oversight by the refs on balls that were under inflated, this is an especially bad time for Goodell to admit to the league dropping the ball yet again with a poorly designed/enforced policy.
"Hey, we just got our ass kicked 17-7 at the half. Let's go complain to the league about the footballs."triniSox said:
This is just below asking the home plate umpire to check a pitcher's hat/belt when he's dealing.
You're letting the team that only grudgingly removed convicted abuser Greg Hardy from their roster into the Super Bowl?jose melendez said:
Bengals win by default!
Only way Marvin Lewis and Andy Dalton are getting playoff wins.
Seems like it would be a handicap.
Maybe we can spin this to be "Patriots handily defeat the Colts and they were using flat balls, with less aerodynamics and more difficult to grip."
They are that good.
Also, wouldn't this have been an issue in last year's playoff game where weather was a big issue? It rained all day and was predicted for the game but never actually rained during the game(mercifully for me in attendance).triniSox said:
http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-somebodys-going-down-deflategate
Curran just implied on more than one instance that if it isn't on the officials Kraft would let BB go ....
That would one of the dumbest franchise decisions ever..
The officials are going to be the fall guys and a new rule will be enacted in which all balls are weighed and pressure is taken before the game, at halftime and after the game.
Or Walt Anderson is going to say that the Patriots must have screwed with the balls. And then? Like it or not, the clock may start ticking on arguably the greatest coach in NFL history.
Nothing personal. Just business.
Curran just implied on more than one instance that if it isn't on the officials Kraft would let BB go ....
That would one of the dumbest franchise decisions ever..
The officials are going to be the fall guys and a new rule will be enacted in which all balls are weighed and pressure is taken before the game, at halftime and after the game.
Or Walt Anderson is going to say that the Patriots must have screwed with the balls. And then? Like it or not, the clock may start ticking on arguably the greatest coach in NFL history.
Nothing personal. Just business.
So Rodgers tries to get intentionally over-inflated balls past the officials, no big deal
Pats try to get under-inflated balls past the officials- real big deal.
Not fair, but that's the way it is.
IMO the Pats have to say as far as they know they delivered 12.5 psi balls to the crew.
Beyond that, they have no idea what caused the deflation.
Pats try to get under-inflated balls past the officials- real big deal.
Not fair, but that's the way it is.
IMO the Pats have to say as far as they know they delivered 12.5 psi balls to the crew.
Beyond that, they have no idea what caused the deflation.