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This whole "rant" happened yesterday on a local SF radio station but the outrage (rightfully deserved) is still going on today
 
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/november/knbr-host-damon-bruce-tells-women-to-get-off-his-sports-lawn.html
Some quotes from this rant via @hangingsliders
 
“I am re-masculating sports.”

“I plant a flag back in sports for the boys.”

“Sports has lost its way because women are giving directions.”

“I’m willing to share my sandbox as long as you realize you’re in MY sandbox.”

“Ultra-feminine opinions interjected into the world of sports.”

“If sports injuries are too gruesome for you, go write a restaurant column.”

“Everyone’s coming to my view of Incognito. . . . That Jonathan Martin can’t handle a professional locker room environment.”

“I know how professional sports works.”

“I see these tweets by LOLKNBR and @hangingsliders. That’s Wendy Thurm. I like Wendy Thurm. I’ve had her on my show. She’s very smart. She knows baseball. I enjoy her contributions to the sport she covers.”

“But very few small handful of women who are very good at this at all.”

“Message for all the women, all the guidance counselors, the sensitive males . . . all of this world of sports, especially the world of football, has a setting. It’s set to men. Women, ladies, sensitive guys, you can observe, be offended, report on it all. But we’re not changing it for you.”

“It’s a man’s world. Guys can get away with locker room talk.”

“Ladies, don’t think you’re re-writing the rule book for us. Don’t think we’re going to your sensitivity training.”

“It’s unfair in the world of men. You’ll learn that early.”

“Sports are set to the dial of men. And I’m not going to allow it to be changed.”

“That’s why guys like Richie Incognito exist. Jonathan Martin is distracting in the locker room more than Incognito.”

“You are all high and overly sensitive.”
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I really dont know why Damon Bruce thinks this is an ok thing to do AT ALL, and I will be very upset if he is not fired becuase of this..
 
 

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This whole "rant" happened yesterday on a local SF radio station but the outrage (rightfully deserved) is still going on today

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/november/knbr-host-damon-bruce-tells-women-to-get-off-his-sports-lawn.html
Some quotes from this rant via @hangingsliders
https://twitter.com/search?q=Damon%20Bruce&src=typd

I really dont know why Damon Bruce thinks this is an ok thing to do AT ALL, and I will be very upset if he is not fired becuase of this..


This sounds like Kenny Powers giving his opinion on the Martin incident on Sports Sesh.
 

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soxhop411 said:
This whole "rant" happened yesterday on a local SF radio station but the outrage (rightfully deserved) is still going on today
 
 
I really dont know why Damon Bruce thinks this is an ok thing to do AT ALL, and I will be very upset if he is not fired becuase of this..
 
 
I don't agree with him, but I don't get why we need to fire people just because we don't like their opinions.  I am actually in favor of idiots saving idiotic things, because it lets us identify the idiots.  
 

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I don't agree with him, but I don't get why we need to fire people just because we don't like their opinions.  I am actually in favor of idiots saving idiotic things, because it lets us identify the idiots.  
 
I can't tell if you're serious?  Isn't that the nature of his job--the level of interest his opinions generate?  You now have a large swath of people communicating to a big business a pronounced lack of interest in his work.
 
You want more noise in the media?  Why do we need to identify the idiots we know are there?
 

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Someone's ratings must be terrible, so he needed to say something outrageous.
 

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I don't agree with him, but I don't get why we need to fire people just because we don't like their opinions.  I am actually in favor of idiots saving idiotic things, because it lets us identify the idiots.  
 
The media business is fundamentally about putting out a product that draws interest.  If he's able to increase his audience by pushing the outrage button, then more power to him.  But in order to do that you have to have a significant core audience who (1) agrees with your message and (2) is entertained by the fact that you are trolling those who do not agree.
 
My guess is that he's committing professional self-immolation.  Whether it takes days, weeks or months, he's not long for the business if all he does is spew nonsense.
 

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I don't agree with him, but I don't get why we need to fire people just because we don't like their opinions.  I am actually in favor of idiots saving idiotic things, because it lets us identify the idiots.  
 
He is an employee of a company, and said these things in his role as an employee, they don't have to fire him, but it is what would happen to 90% of employees if they said offensive things under the umbrella of representing their employer.
 

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soxhop411 said:
This whole "rant" happened yesterday on a local SF radio station but the outrage (rightfully deserved) is still going on today
 
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/november/knbr-host-damon-bruce-tells-women-to-get-off-his-sports-lawn.html
Some quotes from this rant via @hangingsliders
https://twitter.com/search?q=Damon%20Bruce&src=typd
 
I really dont know why Damon Bruce thinks this is an ok thing to do AT ALL, and I will be very upset if he is not fired becuase of this..
 
 
He's entitled to any opinion he wants. There is NOTHING in those comments to justify termination. He's expressing an opinion I do not agree with in many places but he doesn't use slurs, threaten, or use prohibited language. This isn't Airstrip One. 
 
Go read Voltaire, corsibot 2.2
 

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For context, Larry Krueger was fired from the same station for saying this:
 
Last week, Krueger ranted about the Giants’ struggles during his postgame radio show. San Francisco has too many “brain-dead Caribbean hitters hacking at slop nightly,” according to Krueger, and Alou’s “mind has turned to Cream of Wheat.”
 
 
I'd argue that what Bruce said is at least on par with what Krueger said.  Of course, in Krueger's case, the Giants complained to the station, which is their flagship radio station, so he was doomed. 
 

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I've never heard of this boob prior to this rant, so more power to him?
 
Or, how about this? Less power to him. Never heard of him before. He sounds like a douche now. I doubt my life will be in any way dimished if I never hear of him again.
 

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In a world where CHB still has people who actually read him, it should be plainly obvious that newspaper writers' (and talkshow hosts, and whatever other nonsense is out there now) sole goal is to get people to be aware of them and read them. Period. Full stop.
 
And for anyone who says this is worse than anything CHB has done, I would posit the Carl Everett slander. 
But Carl Everett was an easier target than "females in sports," so nothing was done about that, while something will probably be done about this.
 
And, even ignoring the previous two sentences (for anyone who doesn't care about that, since it was just a side point anyway), 
The fact remains there is now a thread here about him which wouldn't otherwise have been here, a dozen people who are now aware of him who had no idea who he was before, and a link to his Twitter account.
 

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He's entitled to any opinion he wants. There is NOTHING in those comments to justify termination. He's expressing an opinion I do not agree with in many places but he doesn't use slurs, threaten, or use prohibited language. This isn't Airstrip One. 
 
Words don't justify termination.  Sponsors pulling ads justifies termination.  All the "media exists to incite people" platitudes stop before the clause: "to a certain point".  When you're toxic the value equation flips.  I think AR is right, he lit himself on fire.  What he thought was great timing is going to turn out to be the opposite for this dude's fortunes.
 

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I just find it tiring when people spew toxic shit and then play the victim when it's not well-received (like this fellow is doing on twitter right now). If you're going to play the blowhard, own up to it. Don't be all "woe is me, I'm so misunderstood" and claim everyone is just piling on when you're the one who made your damn bed. It's the same stunt Tim Brando pulled when he couldn't stop shitting on his keyboard on Twitter about Jason Collins. Spew, then complain that everyone else is spewing when you get the exact response you should have expected.
 

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He's entitled to any opinion he wants. There is NOTHING in those comments to justify termination. He's expressing an opinion I do not agree with in many places but he doesn't use slurs, threaten, or use prohibited language. This isn't Airstrip One. 
 
 
Opinions, yes. He is not entitled to employment.  Would it be OK if he talked about the 49ers and insisted that neded more homeruns foul shots. I guess it comes back to "at some point." At some point, ignorance -- about sports, about the world -- justifies termination. I think he reached that point. YMMV.  (Anyone know if he's married?)
 
I just find it tiring when people spew toxic shit and then play the victim when it's not well-received (like this fellow is doing on twitter right now). If you're going to play the blowhard, own up to it.
 
 
This.  "Ooh its just the PC police." "Ooooh, I'm just expressing my opinion and people want to silence me."  No, asshole, people are challenging your opinions.  And if you can't/won't back up your opinions, then you will be criticized, just like you criticized a large swath of the population.  He's a frat-boy wannabe tough-guy bully. And when challenged, he has nothing except the 45-year old (?) loser version of "I'm rubber you're glue."
 
"He was successful in his field, but my God he was an asshole," is not something I want in my obituary.

 
I don't agree with him, but I don't get why we need to fire people just because we don't like their opinions.  I am actually in favor of idiots saving idiotic things, because it lets us identify the idiots.
 
 
This is a variant on the old saw, "Sunshine is the best disinfectant." Put this guy on 24/7 for 3 days, and by Day 4 he'll be gone forever.  Fire him, and he becomes a martyred rallying cry for people who are threatened by the fact that "sensitive people" are allowed to live and enjoy the same things as "tough guy manly men."  Then again, if he's on 24/7 he may not have time to rub himself silly while watching Steven Seagall and Chuck Norris movies. (Again, though, "at some point . . . .")
 
 
And anyone who mentions the First Amendment with regards to this asshat should be required to take a remedial civics class.
 

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Go read Voltaire, corsibot 2.2
 
What happens if you've read these, like, boring-ass arguments about the indivisibility of free expression and just happen to think they're wrong? This guy has to form relationships with female co-workers. Women have a right to listen to KNBR if they want to without being insulted. A more subjective addendum is that these opinions are cliched and not worth paying someone for -- I guess most of sports talk radio would be subject to that criticism, but that's no reason to demand the continued employment of any one particular numbnuts. 
 
ETA: Presumably if he'd come on the air and dropped n-bombs most people would be okay with his being fired. If you would be okay with his being fired under those circumstances, then not wanting him fired for this suggests that his remarks here -- along with any other comments you wouldn't fire him for -- constitute acceptable discourse. I don't think they do.
 

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This sounds like Kenny Powers giving his opinion on the Martin incident on Sports Sesh.
 
You half subscriber piece of shit. I'll fuck your mother and shit in your mouth.
 

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What happens if you've read these, like, boring-ass arguments about the indivisibility of free expression and just happen to think they're wrong? This guy has to form relationships with female co-workers. Women have a right to listen to KNBR if they want to without being insulted. A more subjective addendum is that these opinions are cliched and not worth paying someone for -- I guess most of sports talk radio would be subject to that criticism, but that's no reason to demand the continued employment of any one particular numbnuts. 
 
It's not a reason to demand said employee's termination either.  This guy's relationships with female co-workers are his own problem.  Right now he's getting paid to host "The Damon Bruce Show", he's not anchoring the news, he's doing a talk show.  If women, or anybody else do not want to be offended by what Damon Bruce says on The Damon Bruce show they shouldn't listen to the Damon Bruce show.  
 
Really this comes down to what the higher ups at KNBR consider to be good publicity.  I'm probably in the minority here, but I think Bruce raised some good points in his rant that were vastly overshadowed by the more antagonizing parts of it.  If this attention means more listeners/clicks/sponsors/$$$ for KNBR then no, you most definitely do NOT fire Bruce because he offended women, a miniscule demographic of the sports talk radio listener landscape. 
 
Now on the other hand, if sponsors pull out from KNBR and distance themselves from The Damon Bruce show, then you ax the Damon Bruce Show.  I have no idea if Damon Bruce is going to survive this or not because I have no idea what his audience is like and I have no idea how much weight his opinion holds in the Bay Area sports media scene.  
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with a radio host trying to grab attention either.  There are a LOT of sports talk radio shows in this country.  A whole lot.  Trying to stand out isn't an inherently bad thing to do, and sometimes just doing a good show isn't enough to build the sort of audience that can lead to big ratings and a comfortable living.  Generally, the best radio stunts are ones that are well thought out, well executed, and leave an impression on the audience.  Bruce definitely left an impression with his rant,though I didn't find his words to be particularly well thought out, which is why I'm not seeing a whole lot of fellow media members rushing to his defense.
 

ETA: Presumably if he'd come on the air and dropped n-bombs most people would be okay with his being fired. If you would be okay with his being fired under those circumstances, then not wanting him fired for this suggests that his remarks here -- along with any other comments you wouldn't fire him for -- constitute acceptable discourse. I don't think they do.
 
 
Don't take this the wrong way, but it doesn't matter if you think they do or not.  You don't employ Damon Bruce and before today you probably didn't know who he was.  What he said wasn't obscene, it wasn't hate speech, it wasn't illegal.  The only people who can determine the fate of Damon Bruce are his bosses, his listeners, and his sponsors, not necessarily in that order.
 

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Judge Mental, would you mind elaborating on what you thought the good points are that he raised? I just see the quotes from the original post and had never heard of this guy before this thread, so what he said could be completely out of context, but those quotes are head-scratchers. It seems to me, and I read a lot of sports copy, that most of the opinion on Incognito and head trauma in football, etc., is coming from a male perspective. It doesn't feel like a pussification of America, if you will, but men thinking out whether they think having their sons play football is worth the risk, and thinking back on times when they were bullied as boys or witnessed bullying. Why is he lashing out at women so much? He's a guy with issues, but yes, we're talking about him, so he wins in that regard.
 

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I think his overall point that people who are not necessarily accustomed to the ways and ethos of an NFL locker room have no real business trying to change it on any level is a good one.  I think his point about how Incognito was one day a monster and then the next day a hero (paraphrasing here) is a good one as well even though he didn't explore the other side of that rapid shift at all. 
 
The more he made it about women and female sportscasters was cringe-worthy.  There's nothing wrong with criticizing sportscaster male or female but his ax is grinding hard in those parts and it ended up making his segment come off as clownish. 
 
If you haven't listened to the entire thing I recommend it, it probably won't change your opinion of the guy but it will at least give the printed quotes some context.  Cutting a 9 minute talk show segment into short written quotes is pretty unfair no matter what the subject is
 

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Bruce tweeted this today:
 
Thanks to all who've listened long enough to understand the last 24 hrs do not define me. Your support during the pile-on is appreciated.
 
 
So you said something stupid, doubled-down instead of apologizing, and now you claim that your words "do not define" you?  Did you mean what you said or not?  This guy is as dumb as a post.
 

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I don't listen to Bruce often and didn't even know about this until I clicked on this thread.  That said, he is pretty nondescript as a radio host and the fact that he did anything controversial surprises me.  If this story blows up, I would expect KNBR to cut ties with him quickly.  They are owned by Cumulus and if this has even a whiff of lost advertisers or audience, they will pull the rip cord right quick.  
 
They shouldn't however.  You may not agree with what he said but based on the comments I've seen he didn't say anything that awful.   It doesn't matter though because we simply cannot have people expressing controversial views in public.   
 

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I don't listen to Bruce often and didn't even know about this until I clicked on this thread.  That said, he is pretty nondescript as a radio host and the fact that he did anything controversial surprises me.  If this story blows up, I would expect KNBR to cut ties with him quickly.  They are owned by Cumulus and if this has even a whiff of lost advertisers or audience, they will pull the rip cord right quick.  
 
They shouldn't however.  You may not agree with what he said but based on the comments I've seen he didn't say anything that awful.   It doesn't matter though because we simply cannot have people expressing controversial views in public.   
 
This is where we disagree. I think dismissing women in the field of sports media under the guise of "reclaiming masculinity in sports", and then doubling down on it in the form of a half-assed "apology" (an apology which includes expressing dismay in the form of "I said some of them were OK, didn't I?", as if women in media owe him an apology now) is pretty awful, extraordinarily boneheaded and displays an astounding lack of self-awareness. Do I think he should be fired for it? I dunno; people say worse things on the radio, I suppose, and people certainly say stupid things on the radio on a daily basis. But chalking any punishment that comes his way to "we can't have people expressing controversial views" undersells what he said. It wasn't just "controversial"; it was misogynistic and it was profoundly stupid. As I said before, whatever his fate, he has himself and no one else to blame. He chose his words. His words sucked.
 
And frankly, it's absurd to say "no one can be controversial in public". Controversy fucking drives radio. It drives 24/7 news. Controversy and controversial opinions are everywhere, more than ever. But sometimes, people take the route of spewing ignorance and bigotry, thinking that's the same thing as trying to stir the pot. It's not. Saying that Tom Brady is washed up is stirring the pot. Dismissing women in sports media with misogynistic gusto and then whining when a lot of people don't take kindly to it is not stirring the pot. It's not generating controversy. It's being the kid who curses out loud in the middle of class and then whines to his parents when he gets suspended.
 

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I don't listen to Bruce often and didn't even know about this until I clicked on this thread.  That said, he is pretty nondescript as a radio host and the fact that he did anything controversial surprises me.  If this story blows up, I would expect KNBR to cut ties with him quickly.  They are owned by Cumulus and if this has even a whiff of lost advertisers or audience, they will pull the rip cord right quick.  
 
They shouldn't however.  You may not agree with what he said but based on the comments I've seen he didn't say anything that awful.   It doesn't matter though because we simply cannot have people expressing controversial views in public.   
 
 
In the immortal words of Greg Norman, Damon Bruce's problem isn't the fact that he said something controversial.  His problem is LOFT.  ("Lack of Fucking Talent, mate.")
 
As Tartan says, controversy drives talk radio.  And this entire issue - from his initial rant to the Twitter responses - is part of a planned effort to manufacture a controversy, generate coverage and (hopefully) cause ratings to spike.  If he convinces people like you that this is about political correctness, he'll grow his audience and stay on the air.  If people realize that this is just a last-ditch ploy to avoid becoming irrelevant, he won't. 
 
I'd never heard of this guy before, but after listening to the clip in question my take is that he's just not very good.  This won't change that.
 

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He is an employee of a company, and said these things in his role as an employee, they don't have to fire him, but it is what would happen to 90% of employees if they said offensive things under the umbrella of representing their employer.
Just to be clear; I have no problem with (1) his company firing him if it believes that is in its best interest (2) an Advertiser pulling its ad from his show b/c it does not want to be associated with his nonsense or (3) individuals ceasing to listen to his show.

What I do have a problem with is these organized efforts to get people fired by people who mainly would never even listen to his show.
 

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Saying that Tom Brady is washed up is stirring the pot. Dismissing women in sports media with misogynistic gusto and then whining when a lot of people don't take kindly to it is not stirring the pot. It's not generating controversy. It's being the kid who curses out loud in the middle of class and then whines to his parents when he gets suspended.
 
 
 
Perhaps the analogy would blaming Brady's new and famous wife for turning him into a "pussy."  Its a variant of "players back in the day would never miss a game to watch their chldren get born" (as though that is unambiguously a good thing).  To me, its a whiny cry from wannabes like this bruce guy trying to ingratiate themselves into the macho world that the players inhabit. "Yo dude, way to go, you really set those bitchez straight!!"
 
Older New Yorkers among us might remember old pioneering drunk sportswriter Dick Young of the NY Daily News.  He was a drinking buddy of old pioneering drunk Met GM M. Donald Grant, and had no trouble carrying Grant's water. Mid 1977, Mets are going nowhere, their best player Tom Seaver, is in a contract hassle. Young writes a column that Seaver is only asking for more money because his wife is jealous of Nolan Ryan's wife because Ryan is making buckets of cash.  It was a miracle that Seaver didn't kill Young. Seaver was traded to Cinci.
36 years later and here we are.
 

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This is where we disagree. I think dismissing women in the field of sports media under the guise of "reclaiming masculinity in sports", and then doubling down on it in the form of a half-assed "apology" (an apology which includes expressing dismay in the form of "I said some of them were OK, didn't I?", as if women in media owe him an apology now) is pretty awful, extraordinarily boneheaded and displays an astounding lack of self-awareness. Do I think he should be fired for it? I dunno; people say worse things on the radio, I suppose, and people certainly say stupid things on the radio on a daily basis. But chalking any punishment that comes his way to "we can't have people expressing controversial views" undersells what he said. It wasn't just "controversial"; it was misogynistic and it was profoundly stupid. As I said before, whatever his fate, he has himself and no one else to blame. He chose his words. His words sucked.
 
And frankly, it's absurd to say "no one can be controversial in public". Controversy fucking drives radio. It drives 24/7 news. Controversy and controversial opinions are everywhere, more than ever. But sometimes, people take the route of spewing ignorance and bigotry, thinking that's the same thing as trying to stir the pot. It's not. Saying that Tom Brady is washed up is stirring the pot. Dismissing women in sports media with misogynistic gusto and then whining when a lot of people don't take kindly to it is not stirring the pot. It's not generating controversy. It's being the kid who curses out loud in the middle of class and then whines to his parents when he gets suspended.
 
If the bulk of what Bruce said is what is linked to above, I am not sure he was being misogynistic.  
 
It was sexist in that he thinks most women aren't good at covering men's sports and that they (and the more "sensitive" types whatever that is a euphemism for) have altered the discussion around athletics.  While I don't agree with his viewpoint, its just an offensive opinion from a guy who, from my experience listening to him, possesses an average intellect at best.  However, he clearly didn't say he hates women or that they are inferior overall.  
 
He'll get fired for it though so those who were offended by this will get what they want.  My view is that if you don't like what you are hearing and don't want to engage the person delivering the message, turn the dial.  But squelching someone's voice just because you don't agree with what they are saying strikes me as childish and dangerous.   Frankly, I'd think you'd want those who hold an extreme view speaking up so that you can clearly identify who they are.
 

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But squelching someone's voice just because you don't agree with what they are saying strikes me as childish and dangerous.
Bruce isn't being squelched. Bruce has no inherent right to a radio show and if he's going to be a shithead it's completely cromulent to push for his removal and for the business that employs him to drop him for it. The public has said to a business, "you are employing people whose shit is unacceptable" and the business has gone "yeah, that's not something we're comfortable with promoting." It doesn't even necessarily matter whether they're regular listeners to his show, both because Cumulus has other stations whose brands they don't want damaged by this nut. He is perfectly within his rights to go start a blog (somewhere, Murray Chass just cringed) for all three of his followers who are down with his sexist bullshit.


In brighter news, they might get someone whose voice isn't nails on a chalkboard for the halftime in NBA 2K15.
 

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Getting fired today puts a nice damper in his chances of being in a position to apply his views from a position with hire/fire privileges a decade from now, at least.
 

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Bruce isn't being squelched. Bruce has no inherent right to a radio show and if he's going to be a shithead it's completely cromulent to push for his removal and for the business that employs him to drop him for it. The public has said to a business, "you are employing people whose shit is unacceptable" and the business has gone "yeah, that's not something we're comfortable with promoting." It doesn't even necessarily matter whether they're regular listeners to his show, both because Cumulus has other stations whose brands they don't want damaged by this nut. He is perfectly within his rights to go start a blog (somewhere, Murray Chass just cringed) for all three of his followers who are down with his sexist bullshit.


In brighter news, they might get someone whose voice isn't nails on a chalkboard for the halftime in NBA 2K15.
 
 
I am no Bruce fan and I agree with your main point.  That said, I think him getting fired for what he said is a bit extreme.  I will add, however, that he is an idiot for wading into the morass of the Incognito/Martin issue and then interjecting a sexist angle.  Again, he has always struck me as pretty underwhelming when it comes to sports analysis.
 

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What happens if you've read these, like, boring-ass arguments about the indivisibility of free expression and just happen to think they're wrong? This guy has to form relationships with female co-workers. Women have a right to listen to KNBR if they want to without being insulted. A more subjective addendum is that these opinions are cliched and not worth paying someone for -- I guess most of sports talk radio would be subject to that criticism, but that's no reason to demand the continued employment of any one particular numbnuts. 
 
ETA: Presumably if he'd come on the air and dropped n-bombs most people would be okay with his being fired. If you would be okay with his being fired under those circumstances, then not wanting him fired for this suggests that his remarks here -- along with any other comments you wouldn't fire him for -- constitute acceptable discourse. I don't think they do.
I don't know this guy and never heard of him until I clicked this link. The station can and probably will fire him due to sponsor and listener complaints.
That said the bolded is absolutely untrue.
 

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I think his overall point that people who are not necessarily accustomed to the ways and ethos of an NFL locker room have no real business trying to change it
You're better than this, man. The NFL isn't special, it's a job. Acting like baseline human beings is a very simple expectation.
 

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You're better than this, man. The NFL isn't special, it's a job. Acting like baseline human beings is a very simple expectation.
 
Actually, the NFL is pretty fucking special in a lot of different ways.  That being said, it's pretty naive to think that the "baseline" is the same in the NFL as it is in regular society. 
 

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Actually, the NFL is pretty fucking special in a lot of different ways.  That being said, it's pretty naive to think that the "baseline" is the same in the NFL as it is in regular society. 
 
I dunno man--you see the CBS pregame show? They fucking killed the Dolphins today. I know that doesn't make an NFL locker room the same, but white collar America has its locker rooms too, and shit gets said there that doesn't get said in the office too.
 
That just gave me a thought: Does the NFL locker room extend further past the doors of the locker room than it does in other professions? Like, say, the practice field? Which part is the "office" in the NFL?
 

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I dunno man--you see the CBS pregame show? They fucking killed the Dolphins today. I know that doesn't make an NFL locker room the same, but white collar America has its locker rooms too, and shit gets said there that doesn't get said in the office too.
 
Meanwhile, the FOX pre-game show was ... um ... shall we say ... different?
 

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I especially enjoyed this bit:
 

"This is guy's stuff. This is men's stuff. And I don't expect women to understand men's stuff anymore than they should expect me to be able to relate to labor pains."
 
 

 
Look, ladies: racial invective and rookie-hazing is basically the same thing as giving birth, if it happens in the NFL. And if you can't understand that, it's because you're a girl. So, like, butt out. 
 

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If Rob Neyer was posting in this thread rather than on Twitter and SBNation, he'd have been PM'd by three different mods asking him to take a break.  He made a mistake by initially defending Bruce on Twitter without listening to the tape (and blocking people on Twitter who told him he was being an idiot), and now he just refuses to admit he was wrong to knee-jerk defend a guy because the guy shared a desk with him one time. 
 
http://www.baseballnation.com/hot-corner/2013/11/11/5089986/damon-bruce-knbr-san-francisco-radio-sports-host-women
 

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"This is guy's stuff. This is men's stuff. And I don't expect women to understand men's stuff anymore than they should expect me to be able to relate to labor pains."
 
 
 
 
Those who ignore history . . . .
 

"Women aren't going to understand missile throw-weights or what's happening in Afghanistan or in human rights."

 
 

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If Rob Neyer was posting in this thread rather than on Twitter and SBNation, he'd have been PM'd by three different mods asking him to take a break.  He made a mistake by initially defending Bruce on Twitter without listening to the tape (and blocking people on Twitter who told him he was being an idiot), and now he just refuses to admit he was wrong to knee-jerk defend a guy because the guy shared a desk with him one time. 
 
http://www.baseballnation.com/hot-corner/2013/11/11/5089986/damon-bruce-knbr-san-francisco-radio-sports-host-women
 
Neyer's blind spots are weird, bizarre, and fascinating.
 
He seems generally to be a good guy as well as a good writer, but he goes way off the reservation sometimes. 
 

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Unfortunately, women seem to get a raw deal in what they're given since they seem to be overwhelmingly chosen for those vacuous sideline "reporter" roles where they are there obviously as eye candy and to ask vapid questions of coaches and players that add absolutely nothing to the broadcast. I know they have Tony Siragusa doing that, but I always assumed it was because he had big boobs as well. Double edged sword for those women, they're not going to turn down what is presumably a decent paid role that could be a stepping stone to something else, on the other hand it always feels a bit like they're kind of accepting the shitty crumbs just to be paraded out there in full makeup to look snazzy and talk utter inanity, which is hardly furthering the cause of women given significant roles in analysis or commentary.
 

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Apparently, he was at it again today, saying that only "real men" understand his show.  I think KNBR has wisely stopped offering on-demand versions of his show, so I'm sure the station will work to prevent anyone from hearing exactly what he said other than the handful of people actually listening to his show.  Here's the only quote I saw on Twitter:
 
"There's not a listener out there that doesn't get it. Except for that Wendy Thurm chick. @hangingsliders is a misled woman."
 
https://twitter.com/LOLKNBRHosts/status/414132199655342080
 

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The very phrase "real men" itself implies insecurity about maleness in the subtext that there could be inauthentic men.
 
I sort of disagree.  "Real man" is straight-up code for "masculine man".  The subtext is that there ARE inauthentic men, and it's the gays and the metros on down.  How much of the entire concept of masculinity springs from core insecurities is of course an endless conversation, but I think the phase itself is more on-purpose and accusatory than a defensive tic.