Damar Hamlin is headed home to Buffalo!

worm0082

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“Yes, you won. You won the game of life”

I mean… does anyone believe that actually happened?
 

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By virtue of him being able to recall that much and communicate, I’d say the EMTs won the game.
I do wonder how they replied, though.
“Sooo, about that. It’s still technically 2nd down…”
…….”and we are probably going to get hit with a delay of game penalty of some sort.”

Hoping for more good news regarding speech and motor skills along with shedding that dreaded “critical condition” tag.
 

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“Yes, you won. You won the game of life”

I mean… does anyone believe that actually happened?
Sure. Why not?

Do you doubt that Hamlin came to, realized he was in the hospital, figured out what must have happened, and his first question was who won the game? That eminently makes sense to me. (It also explains why the reports about his neurological condition are so positive, even though they can’t possibly have done much to test that while the man is still intubated in the ICU.)

How do you respond to that if you’re in the room? You’re not going to launch into a full description of everything that happened since he blacked out. So you probably say something trite, such as the response that has been reported.
 

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You don't think the doctors told him that technically the game hasn't been finished yet and honestly, everything from week 18 to the playoffs is really up in the air right now because of what happened to you?

I could definitely see them telling him something like he was lucky to be alive and therefore he won or something like that.
 

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“Yes, you won. You won the game of life”

I mean… does anyone believe that actually happened?
Yes.

This place is so weird sometimes. You don't think a doctor would have said that? It's precisely the kind of cliched thing someone would say in that situation BECAUSE it sounds like a bad movie quote.
 

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Yes.

This place is so weird sometimes. You don't think a doctor would have said that? It's precisely the kind of cliched thing someone would say in that situation BECAUSE it sounds like a bad movie quote.
I don't know, this one definitely trips the believability meter for me. Precisely because Schefter is a tone-deaf robot who is urgently trying to find a functioning empathy/emotion chip. If anything I bet it was delivered in a joking/off-hand way and Schefter presented it like it was the centerpiece of an Oscar-winning speech.
 

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This is amazing. Very happy for Hamlin and his family. At this rate, he’ll be jumping through a table in the parking lot by Sunday.
 

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Really stupid (possibly) question time…

I know it’s still super early in the recovery timeline here but… if Hamlin makes a complete recovery is there a chance he could play again?

If tests show this was just a freak timing/hit issue on his heart and not a result of an underlying heart condition? I’m sure it’s still way too early to answer any of these. It’s crazy that I’m even having this thought 3 days later.
 

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Poor bastard wakes up and immediately has to go on Zoom calls. No rest for the weary.

Kidding aside, what a fucking wonderful story. Kudos to the medical folks who pulled this off from trauma to zoom call. The whole supply chain deserves a huge trophy, but especially those who ran out on the field and got that kid's heart beating and brain oxygenated. Like the dude who pinched Clint's neck, there wasn't time to spare. They could retire now as winners.

So happy to hear that he's at least largely himself upstairs. Anything beyond that is gravy, given what happened.
 
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Amazing development, what a job that medical team is doing. It's only Friday Morning! Stunning. Awesome.
 

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I’m just in complete awe of the fact that he has recovered to this point. He was dead on the field. What a monumental achievement by the paramedics and his medical team.

Like others said above, we live in the damn future, and it’s really easy to lose that context. Events like this snap me back.
 

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Awesome news.

Just for some context, per CARES (our big US registry for cardiac arrest outcomes) in 2021:


(keep in mind that very few of the cardiac arrest patients are extremely fit 24 year olds)

~25% if out-of-hospital cardiac arrests survive to hospital admission

~7.5% survive to hospital discharge with “good” neurologic outcome.

(to see the reason for my scare quotes on “good” - see final figure re: difference between CPC 1 and 2. Both count as “good neurologic” outcome, but CPC 1 is essentially normal, and CPC2 includes things such as having seizures, and arm/leg not working well, or permanent mental/memory changes… which in practice are huge differences, although for research studies get lumped together as “good”. …That said, I am cautiously optimistic for CPC1 in this particular case)



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Thrilled that he's doing well, but if he's taking visitors, breathing on his own, talking, and strong enough to watch a game that was certain to provoke emotion and accelerate his heart rate, why is he still listed in critical condition?
 

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Thrilled that he's doing well, but if he's taking visitors, breathing on his own, talking, and strong enough to watch a game that was certain to provoke emotion and accelerate his heart rate, why is he still listed in critical condition?
Lung damage, heart damage, muscle tissue damage, rib/sternum damage from compressions? There are lots of reasons his vitals might still be abnormal enough for concern even if he's breathing on his own.
 

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Damar Hamlin's go fund me has $8.6mm in it. Let's say this eventually settles at $10mm. Let's call this a "Foundation" at this point. Even if he never plays another down and becomes the head of the foundation, he could invest the proceeds at 6% per year in top quality credit and earn about $600k a year on it. He could pay himself $300k a year, disperse $300k a year and still be sitting on a huge pile of cash to eventually payout. Not a bad living for a 24 year old even if he never wanted to truly work again...


He was also just discharged from the hospital and is being sent back to Buffalo.
 
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Do we know of he was ever formally diagnosed with commotio cordis? Or is that even a diagnosis? All I've seen is that he suffered a cardiac arrest.
 

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Do we know of he was ever formally diagnosed with commotio cordis? Or is that even a diagnosis? All I've seen is that he suffered a cardiac arrest.
Last week, Albert Breer mentioned that commotio cordis is something they end up diagnosing after they’ve ruled essentially everything else out.
 

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Damar Hamlin's go fund me has $8.6mm in it. Let's say this eventually settles at $10mm. Let's call this a "Foundation" at this point. Even if he never plays another down and becomes the head of the foundation, he could invest the proceeds at 6% per year in top quality credit and earn about $600k a year on it. He could pay himself $300k a year, disperse $300k a year and still be sitting on a huge pile of cash to eventually payout. Not a bad living for a 24 year old even if he never wanted to truly work again...


He was also just discharged from the hospital and is being sent back to Buffalo.
Are you allowed to do that with funds received from a GFM?
 

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Strahan felt the need to say Skip Bayless made “inhumane” comments many days after the fact. Seems insane to me but ok.
View: https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1612138330564530176?s=46&t=CYged0I4So0VTFH3IxzmfA
To me, this is a case of who tweeted It, the timing of the tweet and his response to it. In a vacuum, what Skip tweeted was fine. If someone like Rich Eisen tweeted that then he gets the benefit of the doubt. I am also pretty sure that he would have apologized and went on his way.
Skip is a complete shithead. He deserves no benefit of the doubt at all. His subsequent handling of the tweet snd the response to it confirms that
 

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No idea. Also not sure how many people have raised $10mm for toy drives.
My hunch is that, when healthy, he’ll probably start a true private foundation (if it’s not already set up) with this money that expands the reach of his initial effort. There are governance restrictions and self-dealing issues to navigate that are intended to prevent abuse like paying yourself or family members a $500K salary for doing nothing. He would also have to distribute at least 5% of his net assets every year. This is also a big enough story that I bet he has a ton of future fundraising potential.
 

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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35393227/how-bills-bengals-led-way-damar-hamlin-collapsed
An hour after Bills safety Damar Hamlin collapsed on the field and about 35 minutes after he was rushed to a Cincinnati hospital, a small knot of people gathered amid a chaotic scene outside the locker rooms beneath Paycor Stadium.

Bills coach Sean McDermott, Bengals coach Zac Taylor, referee Shawn Smith and a few team executives and staffers stood anxiously in a semicircle with NFL chief football administrator Dawn Aponte. Passing Aponte's cellphone back and forth, they spoke with NFL executives at the league's command center in Manhattan.
It was 9:55 p.m. ET and the stadium's scoreboard read: "THE GAME IS TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED. PLEASE STAND BY FOR FURTHER INFORMATION." League officials still had not decided the game's fate. But for both teams' coaches and players, there was never a doubt: They would not play another down that Monday night.

"The Lord himself could come down, and we were not going to play again," a high-ranking official from one of the teams told ESPN on the condition of his and the team's anonymity. "She [Aponte] was getting pressure. She was not getting consistent and direct messaging that she deserved to receive."

Aponte appeared caught between two teams who didn't want to play and league officials inside the command center, led by NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent, who left open that possibility for nearly an hour, the official said. "Whatever crazy nonsense she was getting," the official added, "man, she held it. She held it strong."

While NFL officials insisted that they never intended to restart the Bills-Bengals game, the accounts of coaches, players, union officials and team executives tell another story: Postponing the game was a ground-up decision.

"The league did not cancel the game," the team official said. "The Bills and the Bengals canceled the game."

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said Monday that the league would have no further comment. Last week, McCarthy answered some questions about why ESPN's "Monday Night Football" broadcast initially reported that the teams would resume play after a five-minute warmup. He said at the time Vincent and other league officials would not comment.
That final decision might have belonged to Goodell, but the first instinct not to play came on the field in Cincinnati.

"The ambulance left the field ... and it was crystal clear from everyone's perspective that we could not play," the top team official said. Aponte was speaking nonstop to NFL executives in New York and coaches and officials at the game. "The only chaos was coming ... from the command center."

The NFL's senior-most executive inside the command center was Vincent, who oversaw staff on the field and others in communication with broadcast partners. In a conference call hours after the game was suspended, Vincent adamantly denied reports on ESPN's broadcast that the game would resume after a five-minute warmup.

"And I was the one ... that was communicating with the commissioner," Vincent said. "We never, frankly, it never crossed our mind to talk about warming up to resume play. That's ridiculous. That's insensitive, and that's not a place that we should ever be in."

Last Wednesday, an indignant Vincent sounded near tears during a news conference as he repeated that the league never intended to resume play. Any other suggestion, he said, is "insensitive and frankly it lacked both empathy and compassion for Damar's situation."

Vincent said that he was in constant communications with staff at the stadium.
"My mic was completely open in talking to Shawn [Smith] and at that time I'm the center resource," Vincent said. "At no time in my discussion in that hourlong time frame did we ever even -- myself -- reference [or] give any directives about getting players ready to play."

The team official placed blame for the league's vacillation squarely on Vincent.

"The league screws this s--- up because Troy Vincent screws this stuff up," the official said. "That's the wrong person in the wrong position at the absolute wrong time ... He wants to be the hero, but he will never take accountability. That's him to a T."

In his comments to reporters last week, McDermott said there had been no word from New York on whether the game would be suspended when he and Taylor pulled players off the field and returned to their locker rooms.
More at the link.

like we all thought. It was the teams themselves who told the NFL to pound sand WRT resuming the game
 

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If Hamlin gets Vincent canned, then he really is a legit hero.
Kinda gross how the league was weaponizing Vincent, but par for the course.
Also. For all the shit ESPN gets, it continues to amaze me that they constantly put out stories like this that paint the NFL in such a bad light.

usually networks who have large deals with sports leagues try to not “bite the hand that feeds them”.
 

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Also. For all the shit ESPN gets, it continues to amaze me that they constantly put out stories like this that paint the NFL in such a bad light.

usually networks who have large deals with sports leagues try to not “bite the hand that feeds them”.
ESPN pays the nfl right? Who’s paying whom?
 

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Also. For all the shit ESPN gets, it continues to amaze me that they constantly put out stories like this that paint the NFL in such a bad light.

usually networks who have large deals with sports leagues try to not “bite the hand that feeds them”.
I think it’s almost self defense with this particular case. The NFL has been, and continues to, paint ESPN as incompetent liars (specifically John Parry and Joe Buck)
 

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Yes, the NFL is definitely in its 8ball a night swinging samurai swords with your dick out phase.
 

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Oh look... we don't need to give the NFL the benefit of the doubt.... amazing that we have to be re-taught this lesson here on this board.
 

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Yes, the NFL is definitely in its 8ball a night swinging samurai swords with your dick out phase.
Yah. And PFT says exactly what i am thinking
View: https://twitter.com/profootballtalk/status/1612831425442488320?s=46&t=Wqb35nADRpRQ1t9qHnknDQ

Is it odd that an ESPN writer has reported on the question of whether ESPN or the NFL is telling the truth regarding whether the Bills-Bengals game would resume? It's exactly as odd as it would be if NFL Network were reporting on the story.