Cutting The Cord on Cable/Satellite TV Service?

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By biggest issue with Stream: the increments to rewind and fast forward are stupid. Since switching to AppleTV I’ve become addicted to voice control. “Hey Siri, fast forward N seconds/minutes” just works. DirecTV doesn’t support that. You can only rewind and fast forward using the buttons on the remote. And if a timeline exists, I haven’t found it. You can only fast forward and rewind in preset 30 second increments.
 

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Glad to read this because I hated Direct TV Now. I'm glad it's better. I wish it wasn't owned by AT&T though. They seemed to go out of their way just to make their customers miserable.
AT&T spun off all of its Time-Warner holdings to Discover a couple of weeks ago. They are no longer in the entertainment business.

How do you channel surf with DTV Stream?? I am on Roku if it matters.
 

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AT&T spun off all of its Time-Warner holdings to Discover a couple of weeks ago. They are no longer in the entertainment business.

How do you channel surf with DTV Stream?? I am on Roku if it matters.
Thanks, that's really good news.
 

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How do you channel surf with DTV Stream?? I am on Roku if it matters.
I can’t find this documented anywhere, but I saw someone channel surfing on Roku on a YouTube video review of the service. I have Apple TV. On Apple TV, it’s left and right arrow on the default Apple remote, or Channel Up/Down if you’re using a bigger remote with those buttons.
 

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So our current Xfinity cable/internet deal is about to expire and bump up in price so its looking likely we will be moving service to Verizon (mobile as well) and going internet only + YTTV. Ultimately it probably wont be a huge savings, but enough to ditch cable.
Currently we have 900mps internet, which seems fine. Thinking about just doing 500mps plan to save a few more bucks but curious if anybody has any experience to know if this will be enough for our family of 4 with 2 teenagers who game/stream fairly frequently? Also, this may be a dumb question, but I see with YTTV we get 6 accounts. Is it safe to assume we get regular YouTube content Ad Free with each account as well? Don't see it mentioned anywhere. This would be a huge selling point for YTTV.
 

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So our current Xfinity cable/internet deal is about to expire and bump up in price so its looking likely we will be moving service to Verizon (mobile as well) and going internet only + YTTV. Ultimately it probably wont be a huge savings, but enough to ditch cable.
Currently we have 900mps internet, which seems fine. Thinking about just doing 500mps plan to save a few more bucks but curious if anybody has any experience to know if this will be enough for our family of 4 with 2 teenagers who game/stream fairly frequently? Also, this may be a dumb question, but I see with YTTV we get 6 accounts. Is it safe to assume we get regular YouTube content Ad Free with each account as well? Don't see it mentioned anywhere. This would be a huge selling point for YTTV.
YTTV does not include YT Premium.

Edit: It might have a 3 month free trail though
 

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So our current Xfinity cable/internet deal is about to expire and bump up in price so its looking likely we will be moving service to Verizon (mobile as well) and going internet only + YTTV. Ultimately it probably wont be a huge savings, but enough to ditch cable.
Currently we have 900mps internet, which seems fine. Thinking about just doing 500mps plan to save a few more bucks but curious if anybody has any experience to know if this will be enough for our family of 4 with 2 teenagers who game/stream fairly frequently? Also, this may be a dumb question, but I see with YTTV we get 6 accounts. Is it safe to assume we get regular YouTube content Ad Free with each account as well? Don't see it mentioned anywhere. This would be a huge selling point for YTTV.
Straight from the net: A download speed of 500Mbps allows you to stream ultra-HD video on 20 devices at the same time, or download a HD movie in 1 minute. If you're using a broadband internet connection with download speeds of 500Mbps, you can comfortably stream ultra-HD quality video on up to 20 devices at the same time

500 is fine. I think mine is 100 and I've never had an issue but it's just 2 of us. Even if we are downloading games.
 

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YTTV does not include YT Premium.

Edit: It might have a 3 month free trail though
Crap. That’s weak. That should totally be a given. Honestly I would probably rather have 4 Premium YT accounts that YTTV. We watch a lot of YT content and the ads suck.
 

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Crap. That’s weak. That should totally be a given. Honestly I would probably rather have 4 Premium YT accounts that YTTV. We watch a lot of YT content and the ads suck.
I was kinda shocked it wasn't - I was going to switch to YTTV a month ago so looked into it myself.
 

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Crap. That’s weak. That should totally be a given. Honestly I would probably rather have 4 Premium YT accounts that YTTV. We watch a lot of YT content and the ads suck.
YouTube Premium or Music Premium is like $18/month for a family account, which covers all your music plus ad free youtube. You could cancel your Spotify or other subscription for it, and we're talking like a two beers at a bar or restaurant a month.
 

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YouTube Premium or Music Premium is like $18/month for a family account, which covers all your music plus ad free youtube. You could cancel your Spotify or other subscription for it, and we're talking like a two beers at a bar or restaurant a month.
I guess I should have done more homework before posting. Is the family plan newish? I recall looking into it a while back and it was only individual for like $12 or something. I agree that's a decent deal if cancelling Spotify (which I admit I would miss).
 

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I guess I should have done more homework before posting. Is the family plan newish? I recall looking into it a while back and it was only individual for like $12 or something. I agree that's a decent deal if cancelling Spotify (which I admit I would miss).
Yep, YT Premium individual is $12 and family is $18. It's a no brainer for the family plan IMO. I don't think you will miss much with Spotify. There are apps that can transfer all your playlists right over.
 

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Straight from the net: A download speed of 500Mbps allows you to stream ultra-HD video on 20 devices at the same time, or download a HD movie in 1 minute. If you're using a broadband internet connection with download speeds of 500Mbps, you can comfortably stream ultra-HD quality video on up to 20 devices at the same time

500 is fine. I think mine is 100 and I've never had an issue but it's just 2 of us. Even if we are downloading games.

Back to this, everything I'm reading seems to say the same thing. However, when I spoke with Xfinity to see if they would negotiate a better deal they say we use almost 1gb /mo so should stick with the Gig plan. Of course they want to sell the bigger plans so I get their motivation. I admit to not having a great grasp on this stuff, but the data usage is different than speed, right? Is there a point where they are correlated and the usage is an indicator of the speed we require?
 

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Back to this, everything I'm reading seems to say the same thing. However, when I spoke with Xfinity to see if they would negotiate a better deal they say we use almost 1gb /mo so should stick with the Gig plan. Of course they want to sell the bigger plans so I get their motivation. I admit to not having a great grasp on this stuff, but the data usage is different than speed, right? Is there a point where they are correlated and the usage is an indicator of the speed we require?
It's the difference between "I drive 65mph on the highway" (speed) and "I drive 10k miles a year" (usage). If you only drive 20mph everywhere, you won't likely put 20k miles on the car. If you don't drive much, even at highway speed, you also won't put many miles on the car.

If you use 1 gigabyte per month (seems very, very, very low - are you sure they didn't say terabyte? that's 1000 gigabytes) in theory your 1 gigabit/second connection can supply that in 8 seconds at peak. (By comparison, I don't stream much netflix, stream a lot of music, and play video games. My monthly usage is around 120 gigabytes/month, it goes from 100-150 depending on the month. It's not counting TV you watch, as far as I know.)

The main reason to check out the higher-speed plans is that they often come without data usage caps, or very high ones. But if you are really only using 1 gigabyte, you're going to be well inside any monthly data usage cap. My Xfinity plan's monthly cap is ~1200 gigabytes (= 1.2 terabytes), more than that I'll start hitting overage charges. So I'm using like 10-12% of the usage cap most months.

This is their 1.2 gigabit/second plan, mostly because that was what had the best promo rate when I renewed it last year. I used to have something like 300 megabit (= 0.3 gigabit / second) before that but the 300 megabit plan was either discontinued or actually more expensive than the 1.2 gigabit plan when I renewed, I forget which.
 

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It's the difference between "I drive 65mph on the highway" (speed) and "I drive 10k miles a year" (usage). If you only drive 20mph everywhere, you won't likely put 20k miles on the car. If you don't drive much, even at highway speed, you also won't put many miles on the car.

If you use 1 gigabyte per month (seems very, very, very low - are you sure they didn't say terabyte? that's 1000 gigabytes) in theory your 1 gigabit/second connection can supply that in 8 seconds at peak. (By comparison, I don't stream much netflix, stream a lot of music, and play video games. My monthly usage is around 120 gigabytes/month, it goes from 100-150 depending on the month. It's not counting TV you watch, as far as I know.)

The main reason to check out the higher-speed plans is that they often come without data usage caps, or very high ones. But if you are really only using 1 gigabyte, you're going to be well inside any monthly data usage cap. My Xfinity plan's monthly cap is ~1200 gigabytes (= 1.2 terabytes), more than that I'll start hitting overage charges. So I'm using like 10-12% of the usage cap most months.

This is their 1.2 gigabit/second plan, mostly because that was what had the best promo rate when I renewed it last year. I used to have something like 300 megabit (= 0.3 gigabit / second) before that but the 300 megabit plan was either discontinued or actually more expensive than the 1.2 gigabit plan when I renewed, I forget which.
Thanks, this is really helpful, but still a lot to unpack and trying to navigate a deal for internet, TV, and mobile is daunting. Was hoping to save money but they know how to structure this stuff just right to push you into spending more in one area to save in another.
BTW, our home data usage is more like 1000gb, not 1gb. Roughly between 850gb - 1025gb last 4 months. I imaging that would increase if we go with YTTV vs cable though
 

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For sure your data usage will go up with YTTV - could easily be another 500GB/month, depending on how many devices, how many hours and what quality (4K/1080p/480p/etc).

I'm pretty sure the pricing (and the data cap) is designed to make the bundles more competitive with the cord-cutter internet-only plans, since you would have to pay extra per-month to increase the data cap.

Even for my simple case of just cable + internet, I had to make a spreadsheet to try to figure out the tradeoffs. Throwing mobile in there probably makes it 2x-3x harder.
 

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I am trying DTV Stream (long story is I am using a universal remote with no number keys, Sofabaton X1, got used to using favorite channels mostly, but it really is clunky with my cable, and thought a streamer like this would fit better for that, DTV is the only option for RSN’s here, I like having YES and SNY) but it‘s only offering New York CBS, so I asked to cancel and they said I should have Connecticut CBS with my zipcode and will add it (entirely for Pats games, I work Sundays, so can’t justify some stupid amount of money for Sunday Ticket). Very curious if they follow through, if it’s not there by September I’ll ditch it and keep cable.