Celtics Trade Timelord, Brogdon, and picks for Jrue Holiday

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I get it, but I’m sad. Robert was a true game-changer, but his knee is probably toast. Head yes, heart no.
 

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Hate giving up Timelord in that deal but the Celtics are now EASILY the favorite to win the title.
 

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I will miss you so much rob :(

they still don't really have a point guard lol

top 4 stays healthy they can absolutely win the title tho
 

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Wow I didn't think they would do it. LFG. Can't wait for the season to start.
 

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Trader Brad has shown a ruthlessness I didn’t think he had in him.

we are scary thin at C but I feel relatively confident that Willliams’ knee is a wildcard we just don’t want to manage if we don’t have to
 

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Sad to lose Rob, but definitely understand the move.

I have to imagine we don't think the version of Timelord we saw a couple years ago is coming back consistently.

Kept some of our depth at least....
 

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POR is killing it. They still could move Brogdon for a late first, and who knows what they do with TL.

But Dame goes out and they get 3 firsts, 2 swaps, Ayton, Brogdon, TL
 

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So this offseason we traded Smart, Grant Williams, Brogdon and Timelord (plus picks) for Porzingis and Jrue Holiday?

That is SOLID work by Brad.
 

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I sure hope Jrue either agreed to pick up his option or sign an extension. Jrue is better than Marcus. Porzingis is better than Rob. But it’s hard to operate with four big salaries.
 

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Incredible move. We got the guy we always hoped Smart would be.

Rob is incredibly fragile as fun as he is to watch. He's one more knee injury from the end of his career. Brogdon also is just not that guy anymore.
 

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Not a big fan of this version of the trade, but it was obvious that we would have to give up this package vs the pupu platter of shit we would've needed to keep TL. I hate trading draft picks in general.

What on earth are they going to do for big men? Al and KP cannot possibly be relied on for a full season.
 

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The value of keeping Jrue off Miami or Philly should also be considered. Brogdon might end up there anyway, though lol.
 

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What on earth are they going to do for big men? Al and KP cannot possibly be relied on for a full season.
I‘d assume fewer double big lineups. It is interesting that Brad explained the Smart trade by saying that he needed to balance the roster, using backcourt depth to bolster the frontcourt, only to use frontcourt depth in Williams to acquire a backcourt player in Holiday.
 

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Al is 37, KP has plantar fasciitis, and Holliday can't hit threes in the games that count. So, so risky.

Any reports of the Korndawg being in the best shape of his life?
 

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Al is 37, KP has plantar fasciitis, and Holliday can't hit threes in the games that count. So, so risky.

Any reports of the Korndawg being in the best shape of his life?
Holiday was the clear second option on the Bucks. He’s the FOURTH option on this Celtics team in crunch time. Gonna see a ton of open looks.
 

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Wonder if this survives the physicals…
I've mentioned this before, but there is no objective universal criteria to pass or fail these physicals.

They know Rob has had knee surgery and am 100% sure they expect him to have some degree of cartilage damage.

Failing his physical would be about finding out something much worse than expected, maybe bone on bone or something. Still a possibility, but guys with knee issues are traded all the time and "pass" the physical.
 

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Love it.

Like I said here yesterday.


The reason I’d be willing to do Brogdon/Rob (only if it came down to it), is that you could easily slide Tatum to the 4, and between him, Brissett, and Stevens, there’s your minutes at the 4. A center rotation of KP/Al/Kornet is pretty damn good, IMO. The rotation if you do that package is still amazing.

White
Holiday
Jaylen
Tatum
Porzingis

Al
Pritchard
Hauser
Brissett
Stevens
Kornet
Svi
Walsh
 

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Whos playing center for this team exactly? 40 year old Al Horford and a guy who averages 50 games a season?
I guess the counter is: how many centers do you really need to worry about anymore, especially in the east?
 

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Al is 37, KP has plantar fasciitis, and Holliday can't hit threes in the games that count. So, so risky.

Any reports of the Korndawg being in the best shape of his life?
Kornet played more basketball last year than any previous year. Don‘t know if that is good or bad. I guess we are going to see more of him.
 

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Whos playing center for this team exactly? 40 year old Al Horford and a guy who averages 50 games a season?
I have the same concerns, but trading away the guy that can be counted on for 20 games a year is an OK counterpoint to that theory imho
 

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Whos playing center for this team exactly? 40 year old Al Horford and a guy who averages 50 games a season?
Recall that this team has successfully used players like Marcus Smart and Grant Williams to defend elite big men. They had neither of them and too many bigs for what they do. They prioritized an actual need over a potential one.
 

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I have the same concerns, but trading away the guy that can be counted on for 20 games a year is an OK counterpoint to that theory imho
Yeah if you're gonna trade 2 solid players for 1, it feels a bit less painful when the 2 heading out were major injury risks (and the 1 coming back is much less so). We now have a very clear need before the playoffs - another playoff big, even if KP and Horford stay healthy. No ball handler or wing, the way forward is crystal clear from a player acquisition standpoint.
 

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Wonder how much Brogdon being extremely thin-skinned played into this.
I think the FO was legit annoyed and maybe made them a bit more likely for them to upgrade.

But more importantly, his D was slipped a lot and he isn't that good anymore.

Hes got the 6th MOY and a recent high 3PT% going for him, but he's not that good.
 

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Yeah if you're gonna trade 2 solid players for 1, it feels a bit less painful when the 2 heading out were major injury risks (and the 1 coming back is much less so). We now have a very clear need before the playoffs - another playoff big, even if KP and Horford stay healthy. No ball handler or wing, the way forward is crystal clear from a player acquisition standpoint.
Yeah. The good thing is, bigs always seem to be available at the deadline (although what the Cs would trade is a bit of a mystery).
 

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Even if Porzingis and Horford go down, center will be fine even with Kornet out there if they're also running out White-Holiday-Tatum-Brown. That's a ridiculous lineup.
 

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Fucking finally! Congratulations to you Celtic bastards. It's a wrap. You guys go back and forth with all the minutia but ultimately the window is only so big and JB is not that guy alone to help tatum.

It's here guys. Enjoy it you a holes.
 

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Everybody bitched about the loss of toughness with Marcus and Grant, so this is the replacement. Timelord was my favorite Celtic. Can’t remember anyone in Celtics history like him. Going to have to assume they just have too many worries about his knees. This trade isn’t automatic as I imagine Portland is going to do a deep dive on his knees and probably try to hold the Celts up for more gold after the physical.
Jrue is aging and not a very good offensive player but there certainly seems to be a lot of allure to him.
 

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Aside from a TL replacement, I wonder what the starting 5 is now. White/Jrue/Brown/Tatum/KP? Al, PP, Hauser, Kornet off the bench?

Can't wait to watch him frustrate Dame in a playoff game.
 

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Another thing to keep in mind: Jrue Holiday is a tremendous chemistry guy to add. Moving Smart and picking up Jrue helps that locker room in substantial ways.