"Add draft picks as necessary" leaves a lot of room for interpretation.No one says no to that five team trade I posted. It's perfection.
"Add draft picks as necessary" leaves a lot of room for interpretation.No one says no to that five team trade I posted. It's perfection.
If the Knicks can get something valuable for Melo, wouldn't it be in their best interest to? And wouldn't he be interested in being traded to the best team in the East? I'm not entirely sure why Cleveland is trying to get rid of Love in the first place, but it seems like they are.We need to put the brakes on convincing ourselves that a Love trade has a chance of happening. Because of what has been stated previously, the Cavs and Celtics aren';t a particularly good 1-on-1 fit, which means the inclusion of a third team that can give something to Cleveland that can help them immediately. That narrows the options significantly for the sort of teams that can be involved, not to mention the difficulty of pulling off three-team trades.
I agree. I'm not the biggest Love fan in the world, and I do think Melo has been somewhat unfairly maligned by some of the analytics community, but even then, what is Melo giving them that Love isn't, and that they need? Do they really need a 3rd guy who can get off a good shot with 2 seconds left in the shot clock?I just can't see Melo as a better fit for the Cavs than Love.
He may be but there is a high profile egotistical wife involved who is likely calling these relocation shots. Carmelo has already come out and said he's not going to waive his no-trade nor should be to go to Ohio as a 3rd option. He'd be more miserable standing in the weak side corner than Love.If the Knicks can get something valuable for Melo, wouldn't it be in their best interest to? And wouldn't he be interested in being traded to the best team in the East? I'm not entirely sure why Cleveland is trying to get rid of Love in the first place, but it seems like they are.
Right. They'd need a third team who values what Cleveland doesn't need. Hence, the Melo rumors. My point wasn't focused on what Cleveland needs, but on what Love is worth, particularly to the Celtics.Why in the world would Cleveland trade Love for Sully and a couple late first round picks? That makes zero sense
Couldn't agree with this more. This board went through a lot of back and forth pre-KG trade and I'd say the side that advocated collecting assets won the day. There was a lot of sentiment to get Iverson when he became available at one point back then among other vets (all of them in decline). Any time you're giving up valuable assets that you've paid dearly and/or got lucky enough to acquire you have to get be extremely conservative until the right player comes along. Not saying Horford is that player, but he plays D better than Love and you don't win anything without defense. No to Love. Again.Horford is the only rumor that has me excited at all. No to Love and Howard. If we could somehow get him with some amount of confidence he would seriously consider staying I would do it, with the caveat we don't overpay.
But this Celtics team right now needs offense more than it needs defense. They're 4th in defensive efficiency but only 9th in offensive efficiency. And in close games late, it feels like they get worse than 9th. Their #1 need right now is someone who wants the ball at the end of games and can either score, or get the attention of the defense and get the ball to someone else for an open shot. Kevin Love is very good at those things.Couldn't agree with this more. This board went through a lot of back and forth pre-KG trade and I'd say the side that advocated collecting assets won the day. There was a lot of sentiment to get Iverson when he became available at one point back then among other vets (all of them in decline). Any time you're giving up valuable assets that you've paid dearly and/or got lucky enough to acquire you have to get be extremely conservative until the right player comes along. Not saying Horford is that player, but he plays D better than Love and you don't win anything without defense. No to Love. Again.
I would hope my Nuggets would say no first.NY, The Clippers and LaLa Anthony say no.
I'd sign up for that right now, which makes me think KO/Sullinger is probably not enough...I wonder if they's listen on Olynyk/Sullinger for Winslow/filler? KO's been good this year, but Winslow has a lot more upside.
Oh, draft picks would definitely need to be included, I was more musing on the practical player end of the deal. Salary wise Miami's all max/min players, so the players that Boston sends need to be low enough priced to fit within Winslow/random min contract guidelines. Boston is going to be sending out picks in any trade because as of now they have too damned many, and Miami actually could use some picks to help fill out the roster.I'd sign up for that right now, which makes me think KO/Sullinger is probably not enough...
The problem with targeting Winslow is that the whole world knows Ainge offered 4 first for him 6 months ago. The baseline's been set, and I don't think Miami's doing anything unless the offer looks like what they could have gotten in June.I wonder if they's listen on Olynyk/Sullinger for Winslow/filler? KO's been good this year, but Winslow has a lot more upside.
That's a good point. Miami desperately needs depth more than anything else, given how top heavy that roster is with B level stars and how crappy their vet min guys are, so they might like the two guards on smaller deals to help get them by the nights that Wade's hobbling. But if it's an either/or thing on Sullinger/Olynyk it probably has to be KO. However I will say, contra to GMB, that I think Olynyk's raised his stock enough around the league that he might be worth a couple of the picks that Boston was offering to Charlotte anyway.I'd still make that deal if Miami would take two of the picks in the form of Hunter and Rozier. Those two, Sullinger, and the Mavs pick for instance.
Keep in mind that this deal would also need to include additional salary. If Olynyk is going out the door, we'd need to add either Jerebko, which creates a big roster problem since he is our other stretch 4, Evan Turner, or Zeller/Sullinger plus one of the young guys not currently playing. (You could also add a Lee for Noah swap.)Woj says the Bulls are shopping Pau Gasol around. He's expected to decline his player option for next year and become a UFA. I'd be willing to give up KO and a 1st for him even if he's a rental.
I assume they'd prefer a trade that satisfies the salary cap.Isn't offering Sullinger to the Bulls like offering Courtney Lee or Tony Allen to the Celtics?
Why would they want Sullinger?
An offer of Rozier, Zeller, and a first would be what the Bulls would be looking for for Gasol if they would deal with the Celtics.
Exactly, that is what happens when you hammer out what players each side is interested, then you make it work with the cap. If it does then you can move forward or try to.I assume they'd prefer a trade that satisfies the salary cap.
One last swing at a big contract from some poor sap team that whiffs on options A through Y. Maybe Brooklyn.Ainge would need to know why the Bulls are so sure he is ready to decline the option. Is it to get out of Chicago or Hoiberg? Or does Gasol have his heart set on playing somewhere specific?
Not only would they not consider it, they'd hang up the phone and laughing would commence.This is NOT a rumor, but this seems like the most logical thread for posting it. If the Celtics offered OKC Brooklyn's number 1s in 2016 and 2018 plus Crowder (plus whatever filler needed for salary matching) for Durant, would they consider it? Let's Russ be the man and provides him a flow of young talent...
You get Early Bird Rights with Gasol, so the max offer to retain would be roughly $52m over 4 years. With the cap explosion, that's actually a disadvantage.There is going to be a ridiculously huge amount of money floating around this free agency period. Pau is opting out because he's a good bet to get $20M/year on a short term deal.
Me too. He's not getting us over the Cavs hump (at least not by himself) and don't just splurge for the sake of it.Trading real assets for a 35 year-old rental would put me in a bad mood.
http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/source-celtics-favorites-acquire-hawks-horford-if-availableSALT LAKE CITY – The Atlanta Hawks have not made a decision on whether they will trade Al Horford but a league source tells CSNNE.com that the Boston Celtics have emerged as one of the favorites to land him if the Hawks decide to part ways with the veteran forward.
Horford, a four-time All-Star, is in the final year of a five-year, $60 million deal that pays him $12 million for this final season.
No. Early Bird Rights only apply if you're over the cap, which Boston isn't (EDIT: for the 2017 season).You get Early Bird Rights with Gasol, so the max offer to retain would be roughly $52m over 4 years. With the cap explosion, that's actually a disadvantage.
What a scoop. If he's available, the Celtics are one of the favorites.
I hear that they are also one of a large number of teams to be considered that favorites to land Steph Curry if he's available.What a scoop. If he's available, the Celtics are one of the favorites.
I'm about ready for this to be over.
But he's a Celtics "Insider." You can't get any more exalted than that.Blakely is as bad as any local writer out there.