Clock hadn’t started.he played against the Knicks last Saturday
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Clock hadn’t started.he played against the Knicks last Saturday
Not true, unless the rules have changed over the last year. The 45-day clock is only applicable when the G-League is in session (which starts a few days later this season compared to last).Because Tacko was recalled from Maine for this game, we've used 1 of the 45 days he's allowed to be on the Celtics roster.
NESN says you are correct and G-League season does not start until 11.8 this year:Not true, unless the rules have changed over the last year. The 45-day clock is only applicable when the G-League is in session (which starts a few days later this season compared to last).
But Tacko stills gets paid 1/177th of rookie scale contract for being added last night, so that's nice for Tacko.
https://2ways10days.com/what-is-the-earning-power-of-a-two-way-contract-for-2018-19-a7fb2bdd2459
Hmmm. Per some Celtics writers tweets last night, that was Day 1.Not true, unless the rules have changed over the last year. The 45-day clock is only applicable when the G-League is in session (which starts a few days later this season compared to last).
But Tacko stills gets paid 1/177th of rookie scale contract for being added last night, so that's nice for Tacko.
https://2ways10days.com/what-is-the-earning-power-of-a-two-way-contract-for-2018-19-a7fb2bdd2459
It was a Forsberg tweet I saw:NESN says you are correct and G-League season does not start until 11.8 this year:
https://nesn.com/2019/08/why-g-leagues-2019-20-start-date-will-benefit-celtics-other-nba-teams/.
Tacko's first game is in Wilmington.
Knew I should never trust writers. When in doubt go the source (as most writers do not do): https://cosmic-s3.imgix.net/3c7a0a50-8e11-11e9-875d-3d44e94ae33f-2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf.It was a Forsberg tweet I saw:
View: https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1190377228951011329
Someone in the comments said it starts when Maine's training camp started, which, according to them, was a few days ago. All the articles say he was "recalled", which makes it sound like Maine's season had started.
yep Drewdawg, Forsberg are correct. I was wrong. Thanks WBCD, it's clearly training camp.Knew I should never trust writers. When in doubt go the source (as most writers do not do): https://cosmic-s3.imgix.net/3c7a0a50-8e11-11e9-875d-3d44e94ae33f-2017-NBA-NBPA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf.
From that: "Notwithstanding the foregoing, if a player provides one or more NBA Days of Service before the first day of any NBADL training camp or after the final game of the player’s team’s NBADL Regular Season, such day(s) willnot count toward the 45-Day Two-Way Service Limit."
So it is training camp and NESN (and BenHogan, among others) are incorrect. Tacko has 44 days left.
two-way contracts not necessarily good for the players. Without two-way contracts, they are eligible to be signed by any team. Also, teams that have two-way contracts are limited who they can sign from GLeague.increase the # of two-way contracts to 4 players.
Players have a choice to sign a two-way or not, right? (ie when Strus was waived he chose to sign a two way with Chicago).two-way contracts not necessarily good for the players. Without two-way contracts, they are eligible to be signed by any team. Also, teams that have two-way contracts are limited who they can sign from GLeague.
Who saw Kendrick Nunn as a potential rookie of the year a month ago? Not me.yep Drewdawg, Forsberg are correct. I was wrong. Thanks WBCD, it's clearly training camp.
Happy that Tacko collected a few more shekels. The compensation for the 2-way player, under $80,000, is way too low IMO.
The NBPA should do a better job for the lower-paid guys, but guys like Chris Paul/Bron could give a rats azz about these guys. It would be nice to see these guys actually try to "spread the wealth". Maybe Jaylen could do something here, after signing a $115MM deal. I'd like to see the two-way min pay up to $250K and increase the # of two-way contracts to 4 players. The extra $1MM/team is worth it to the kids/players and potentially to the teams.
Kendrick Nunn is the poster boy for G'League development this season.
https://www.hothothoops.com/2019/10/31/20942183/kendrick-nunn-miami-heat-listed-top-of-nba-rookie-ladder-tyler-herro-jimmy-butler-bam-adebayo
Yes.If Tacko dressing for the game the other night counts against the 45, why doesn’t the game he played in on Oct 26 count?
This question was originally answers with the clock hadn’t started, but now this seems confused again.
Or was Oct 26 before the start of training camp and the one the other day was after?
The kid with the comically oversized goggles really sells it.I love this picture so much:
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I'm not usually an "awwwwwww cute" guy, but........I love this picture so much:
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They are already afraid to shoot. I noticed this during the preseason but players dribble away from the paint when he’s there.That’s going to be a revolutionary tool once he perfects it. The other team will be afraid to shoot because it’s an automatic turnover. Guys will have to start shooting moon shots when they play the Celts.
Yeah, we talked about it a lot during summer league, but he’s completely in guys’ heads when they get anywhere near the paint. And rightfully so.They are already afraid to shoot. I noticed this during the preseason but players dribble away from the paint when he’s there.
agreed, it’s close. Which is amazingI’ve watched that 10 times. Every Hornet is calling for a goaltend. But I’m not sure it was.
Agreed. I’ve watched as much Tacko as I can get my eyes on and I have yet to see anything that leads me to believe that he can’t at least be a situational player for this team from time to time. His limitations are well known but this guy actually has some basketball skills.I've seen Tacko in person three times at the Garden, the two pre season game and the Pistons game. He moves pretty well in the halfcourt. After a couple of trips up the court Friday, he looked a bit winded. Maker scored a few times once Tacko came in the game, and that kind of big is who Tacko has to prove he can contain - a three point shooter who can run.
However, once he gets his trunk strong enough to hold low post position, and gets in better game shape, he's going to be a low post beast who will command double teams. Defensively, his long arms and decent foot speed can make him a decent p/r defender with time and practice. Obviously, he will be very difficult to shoot over.
This is a fun team this season, and the love Celtics fans have for Tacko makes it more fun. I don't see it as fans wanting to see him as some kind of sideshow. They want to see him swat shots and dunk the basketball over guys who look tiny in comparison. In very few minutes, he's done all that, joyously.
I don't know if he will ever be a rotation guy here some day, but the idea of a shot erasing behemoth paired will all the excellent young wing defenders could make an amazing defensive team.
I saw that too. Its not always easy to tell from the normal, slightly-overhead broadcast angle, but his towering-ness at floor-level is staggering. I think *every* player that's gotten to the NBA has some innate clue how to shoot over or around a 7-footer. But even just standing there, Tacko overloads the circuitry. Chances are pretty good that no one on the other team has ever gone against someone that tall.They are already afraid to shoot. I noticed this during the preseason but players dribble away from the paint when he’s there.
He doesn't see it that way. He knows he's a circus freak and the cheering colosseum wants its bread-and-circus. That's why, when Brad was asked after the game about putting him in, he said "at first, I was embarrassed for him". Both know that Tacko being cheered for, when he hasn't done anything to deserve it with his play... well, he knows why he's being cheered for. And it's to make a spectacle of him. Now maybe they're not laughing at him, but as a bunch of local articles have detailed, he's spent a lot of his life trying to become more than a circus freak, trying to be known for something other than being freakish. The crowd cheering for him before he deserves it for anything other than "being freakishly tall" frankly isn't helping, even if he's good-natured enough to say the right things afterwards.This is a fun team this season, and the love Celtics fans have for Tacko makes it more fun. I don't see it as fans wanting to see him as some kind of sideshow. They want to see him swat shots and dunk the basketball over guys who look tiny in comparison. In very few minutes, he's done all that, joyously.
This.He doesn't see it that way. He knows he's a circus freak and the cheering colosseum wants its bread-and-circus. That's why, when Brad was asked after the game about putting him in, he said "at first, I was embarrassed for him". Both know that Tacko being cheered for, when he hasn't done anything to deserve it with his play... well, he knows why he's being cheered for. And it's to make a spectacle of him. Now maybe they're not laughing at him, but as a bunch of local articles have detailed, he's spent a lot of his life trying to become more than a circus freak, trying to be known for something other than being freakish. The crowd cheering for him before he deserves it for anything other than "being freakishly tall" frankly isn't helping, even if he's good-natured enough to say the right things afterwards.
Read that Jackie Mac article again...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27933993/center-attention-where-tacko-fall-stands-basketball
...and then tell me the cheering at the Garden was something he ought to be proud of, or even just take in good humor. He knows. And it kinda sucks.
I want him to deserve the cheering too. I want to have him contributing on the floor in a way that nobody 7'2"+ has ever done, to be more athletic than Shaq, more court vision than Bol, better shooting than Shawn Bradley. He could get there, he's saying all the right things and he's 24 years old without a history of injuries, which at that height is extraordinary all on its own. But until he's there, the cheering is, frankly, patronizing.
Eh, this is a pretty cynical take on it.He doesn't see it that way. He knows he's a circus freak and the cheering colosseum wants its bread-and-circus. That's why, when Brad was asked after the game about putting him in, he said "at first, I was embarrassed for him". Both know that Tacko being cheered for, when he hasn't done anything to deserve it with his play... well, he knows why he's being cheered for. And it's to make a spectacle of him. Now maybe they're not laughing at him, but as a bunch of local articles have detailed, he's spent a lot of his life trying to become more than a circus freak, trying to be known for something other than being freakish. The crowd cheering for him before he deserves it for anything other than "being freakishly tall" frankly isn't helping, even if he's good-natured enough to say the right things afterwards.
Read that Jackie Mac article again...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27933993/center-attention-where-tacko-fall-stands-basketball
...and then tell me the cheering at the Garden was something he ought to be proud of, or even just take in good humor. He knows.
Agreed. I’ve watched as much Tacko as I can get my eyes on and I have yet to see anything that leads me to believe that he can’t at least be a situational player for this team from time to time. His limitations are well known but this guy actually has some basketball skills.
I agree that the cheering isn't necessarily a good thing, and the MVP chant was ridiculous. I also agree that in the exhibition season, the cheering was because the crowd wanted to see the tall guy. But, since he produces every single time he steps on the court, I've seen a different feeling at the game. In my section Friday, the chatter going into the fourth was in the vein of "When do we get to see Tacko block shots and dunk" instead of "when do we get to see the sideshow freak."He doesn't see it that way. He knows he's a circus freak and the cheering colosseum wants its bread-and-circus. That's why, when Brad was asked after the game about putting him in, he said "at first, I was embarrassed for him". Both know that Tacko being cheered for, when he hasn't done anything to deserve it with his play... well, he knows why he's being cheered for. And it's to make a spectacle of him. Now maybe they're not laughing at him, but as a bunch of local articles have detailed, he's spent a lot of his life trying to become more than a circus freak, trying to be known for something other than being freakish. The crowd cheering for him before he deserves it for anything other than "being freakishly tall" frankly isn't helping, even if he's good-natured enough to say the right things afterwards.
Read that Jackie Mac article again...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27933993/center-attention-where-tacko-fall-stands-basketball
...and then tell me the cheering at the Garden was something he ought to be proud of, or even just take in good humor. He knows. And it kinda sucks.
I want him to deserve the cheering too. I want to have him contributing on the floor in a way that nobody 7'2"+ has ever done, to be more athletic than Shaq, more court vision than Bol, better shooting than Shawn Bradley. He could get there, he's saying all the right things and he's 24 years old without a history of injuries, which at that height is extraordinary all on its own. But until he's there, the cheering is, frankly, patronizing.
I agree with you that this is an issue for him, obviously. But he's never going to be able to change his height. He's freakishly tall. It's a fact, and it will draw attention and, in a basketball setting, cheers because people want to see what that height helps him do in a game. And I think most Celtics fans certainly want to see him succeed, short and long term.He doesn't see it that way. He knows he's a circus freak and the cheering colosseum wants its bread-and-circus. That's why, when Brad was asked after the game about putting him in, he said "at first, I was embarrassed for him". Both know that Tacko being cheered for, when he hasn't done anything to deserve it with his play... well, he knows why he's being cheered for. And it's to make a spectacle of him. Now maybe they're not laughing at him, but as a bunch of local articles have detailed, he's spent a lot of his life trying to become more than a circus freak, trying to be known for something other than being freakish. The crowd cheering for him before he deserves it for anything other than "being freakishly tall" frankly isn't helping, even if he's good-natured enough to say the right things afterwards.
Read that Jackie Mac article again...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27933993/center-attention-where-tacko-fall-stands-basketball
...and then tell me the cheering at the Garden was something he ought to be proud of, or even just take in good humor. He knows. And it kinda sucks.
I want him to deserve the cheering too. I want to have him contributing on the floor in a way that nobody 7'2"+ has ever done, to be more athletic than Shaq, more court vision than Bol, better shooting than Shawn Bradley. He could get there, he's saying all the right things and he's 24 years old without a history of injuries, which at that height is extraordinary all on its own. But until he's there, the cheering is, frankly, patronizing.
And yet 2 games ago Brad was egging the crowd on. As were his teammates. Seems like if this was making it harder on him they wouldn't be doing that.How was my post cynical in any way?
I don't think the crowd was cheering for him sarcastically or anything. They weren't being deliberately mean. But by making him a cult-status player when he's had to run from just being a figure of fascination his whole life, they're not making it any easier for him to relax and just focus on basketball.
I think what Insta is getting at is that it feels icky to take a bright, hard-working kid at the “trying to make it” stage of his career and turn him into a human victory cigar.And yet 2 games ago Brad was egging the crowd on. As were his teammates. Seems like if this was making it harder on him they wouldn't be doing that.
I would think that if this was a big issue, Brad wouldn't be imploring the crowd to cheer louder.I think what Insta is getting at is that it feels icky to take a bright, hard-working kid at the “trying to make it” stage of his career and turn him into a human victory cigar.
(I’m sympathetic to the “kids love him” angle though.)
Fair.I would think that if this was a big issue, Brad wouldn't be imploring the crowd to cheer louder.
I think this is a better article on Tacko's feelings: https://nesn.com/2019/10/tacko-fall-has-mixed-feelings-about-constant-chants-but-appreciates-fans/. In short, he understands both the pros and cons of it. He told Amanda Pflugrad: "It’s very motivating, but at the same time, it does make you feel a little uncomfortable sometimes. I don’t want to take away too much attention from what’s really important. Sometimes I do feel bad for coach Brad. But at the same time it’s a blessing and I’m really thankful that I have so many people cheering me on and rooting for me to be successful.”He doesn't see it that way. He knows he's a circus freak and the cheering colosseum wants its bread-and-circus. That's why, when Brad was asked after the game about putting him in, he said "at first, I was embarrassed for him". Both know that Tacko being cheered for, when he hasn't done anything to deserve it with his play... well, he knows why he's being cheered for. And it's to make a spectacle of him. Now maybe they're not laughing at him, but as a bunch of local articles have detailed, he's spent a lot of his life trying to become more than a circus freak, trying to be known for something other than being freakish. The crowd cheering for him before he deserves it for anything other than "being freakishly tall" frankly isn't helping, even if he's good-natured enough to say the right things afterwards.
Read that Jackie Mac article again...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27933993/center-attention-where-tacko-fall-stands-basketball
...and then tell me the cheering at the Garden was something he ought to be proud of, or even just take in good humor. He knows. And it kinda sucks.
I want him to deserve the cheering too. I want to have him contributing on the floor in a way that nobody 7'2"+ has ever done, to be more athletic than Shaq, more court vision than Bol, better shooting than Shawn Bradley. He could get there, he's saying all the right things and he's 24 years old without a history of injuries, which at that height is extraordinary all on its own. But until he's there, the cheering is, frankly, patronizing.
Meh, I dunno. Celtics fans have a long standing history of cheering loudly for a deep bench player regardless of said freakiness. There was nothing freaky about Terry Duerod or Conner Henry in the 80's, or Scalabrine, or the fans fondness for the Sichting's and Walter's of the team. Whenever there is a "fun" team wearing green the Celtics fans have historically selected a guy that they want to see on the floor at the end of blowouts regardless of freakishness level. Aside from the obvious height, Fall has the charisma to attract a cult following.He doesn't see it that way. He knows he's a circus freak and the cheering colosseum wants its bread-and-circus. That's why, when Brad was asked after the game about putting him in, he said "at first, I was embarrassed for him". Both know that Tacko being cheered for, when he hasn't done anything to deserve it with his play... well, he knows why he's being cheered for. And it's to make a spectacle of him. Now maybe they're not laughing at him, but as a bunch of local articles have detailed, he's spent a lot of his life trying to become more than a circus freak, trying to be known for something other than being freakish. The crowd cheering for him before he deserves it for anything other than "being freakishly tall" frankly isn't helping, even if he's good-natured enough to say the right things afterwards.
Read that Jackie Mac article again...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27933993/center-attention-where-tacko-fall-stands-basketball
...and then tell me the cheering at the Garden was something he ought to be proud of, or even just take in good humor. He knows. And it kinda sucks.
I want him to deserve the cheering too. I want to have him contributing on the floor in a way that nobody 7'2"+ has ever done, to be more athletic than Shaq, more court vision than Bol, better shooting than Shawn Bradley. He could get there, he's saying all the right things and he's 24 years old without a history of injuries, which at that height is extraordinary all on its own. But until he's there, the cheering is, frankly, patronizing.