Fred in Lynn said:I loved Ryan's response to Burke's comments, which went something like "you could have just said you weren't selecting me."
scotian1 said:Could anyone be worse without the puck or a bigger defensive liability than Kessel and I like the guy.
Not according to Poile:soxfan121 said:
I didn't like Ryan's response, which was to say that Burke's comments about his intensity were "gutless". The comments, agree or disagree, are the opposite of gutless. I'd have loved it if he just said Burke is an asshole, which both adequately addresses the grievance about the quote and is demonstrably true.
That said, Burnside's piece does portray Burke as "the heavy" and I have no doubt that Burnside cleared every single one of those quotes with Burke before posting the story (which was fascinating, btw). Burke is the grumpy old man of USA Hockey. The bit about having a nightmare about Seth Jones costing the team a medal is more dickish than the many dickish things he said about Ryan. And it was an attempt to undermine Poile specifically, showing what Burke's role was and how far he was willing to go in order to 'skate that wing' for the process/team.
I believe the thought process was that they could have one big defensive liability with intensity problems and goal scoring ability - Kessel gets a check+ in every category on the "goal scoring winger" job description, whereas Ryan only gets a check.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-olympics-bobby-ryan-20140103,0,2692863.story#ixzz2pMA8y9RnPoile said USA Hockey welcomed Burnside and Allen’s presence in an effort to popularize the game and was “happy to have them part of our team, if you will.” Poile also said Team USA executives believed they had the right to prevent publication of objectionable comments -- as with their control over material in HBO’s "24/7" series -- and that Burke had included Ryan’s name on Burke’s suggested final roster.“Unfortunately the comments were a little harsh,” Poile said. “The problem that we had with a communication breakdown that happened there was we thought this was similar to a '24/7' situation where we had editorial review on what was going to be said. It caught all of us off-guard. And again, that’s on us.”
Fred in Lynn said:They certainly do not like to play Yandle while a man or more down, and that goes back to when he came up to the NHL. The implication, and perhaps the reality, is that he, along with Ryan, are bad defensive players. What they both do, however, is score a lot of goals relative to their colleagues at their respective positions, and you seem cavalier in brushing that off. Like I wrote earlier, Poile and rest of the Team USA execs are gambling that superior defensive but inferior offensive players on the bigger surface will help them find more success. They're opting for one wart over another. You seemed surprised that many people here criticized these decisions by Poile, when the response was entirely predictable. It work out for him, but he's taking a gamble.
Fred in Lynn said:I don't know what Corsi QoC is measuring, and I'm skeptical it means anything. Not seeing what has changed in hockey that permits isolation and quantitative measurement of individual performance. Apart from counting goals over a long enough period of time, measuring value of hockey players is still all art to me. Jesus is going to have to make a personal appearance if he wants me to come to him.
No love for Jumbo Joe? 43 helpers and 5th in nhl in scoring...surprised he hasnt really even been mentioned.scotian1 said:Yes, if a player like Stamkos cannot go, his spot can be filled by another and that is true with an player on any team up to a certain date. That being said, the only real surprise for me is the omission of St.Louis but I have no problem with who was chosen. I wonder if Giroux not showing up for the summer camp had any effect on his omission. I didn't think he had a good World Championship last spring on the big ice.
Lupe Whalewatch said:No love for Jumbo Joe? 43 helpers and 5th in nhl in scoring...surprised he hasnt really even been mentioned.
Given how this thread started, it shouldn't be a surprise that I wholeheartedly agree. I know Semin missed a good deal of time with a concussion, but he and Skinner have taken turns lighting it up as of late. I'm shocked that he didn't get selected. Was he offered a KHL deal over the Summer? Is there some bad blood there or something?ForceAtHome said:
- No Semin for Russia. That may be the biggest snub of the tournament.
- Finland's goalie corps have to be the best in the tournament: Rask, Niemi, Lehtonen.
- Finland is taking two WJC-eligible players in Maatta and Barkov. Not a surprise, but very cool. For reference, their teammate Selanne played in his first Olympics in 1992. Maatta wasn't born until '94 and Barkov was a late '95.
1- Chicago (10) : Toews, Sharp, Keith, Kane, Kruger, Hjalmarsson, Oduya, Rozsival, Handzus, Hossakrobe said:Does anyone know of a breakdown of Olympians by NHL team? The Google has failed me.
veritas said:There are already people second guessing Subban, which is crazy to me. He's easily one of their top 6 defenseman and will be even better on the bigger ice.