Bubblicious - The Syracuse Basketball Thread

The Filthy One

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It's November, and that means it's time for the annual Syracuse hoops thread. The team tips off on November 6 against...checks schedule...the defending national champs. Ok, then. That will be fun. Last year's team returned all five starters from a team that went to the Sweet Sixteen the year before and then proceeded to play uninspired basketball before getting bounced in the first round of the tournament.

This year's team returns three-ish contributors from last year's squad -- Elijah Hughes, Buddy Boeheim, and Marek Dolezaj -- along with Bourama Sidibe, Jalen Carey, Robert Braswell, and Howard Washington. Add to that group four freshman -- Quincy Gurrier, Brycen Goodine, Joe Girard III, John Bol Ajak, and Jesse Edwards.

I can't tell what to make of this team. Based on what I've read and seen in highlights from their pre-season play, it looks like this team will look to play up-tempo, at least relative to the last few Syracuse teams, most of whom had to resort to rock fights in the mid-50s to win. That would be a welcome change of pace. Additionally, it looks like this team can shoot it a bit, with Hughes, Boehiem, and Girard all considered legit threats from 3 and Goodine, Braswell, Dolezaj, Guerrier, and Carey all willing to put up shots as well.

Here's my guess at a rotation:

Starters:
G - Jalen Carey
G - Buddy Boeheim
F - Elijah Hughes
F - Quincy Guerrier
C - Bourama Sidibe

Key Reserves:
G - Joe Girard III
G - Brycen Goodine
F - Marek Dolezaj
C - Jesse Edwards

Likely getting few minutes:
Washington. Ajak.

Wildcard:
Robert Braswell. Long like Hakim Warrick, seems to find the ball and make plays like Josh Pace or C.J. Fair. Plus he has a jump shot. He just seems like a Boeheim player. I think he could get sneaky minutes, especially as the season wears on.

Most important player: Carey. Point guard sets the pace, and I get the sense they want Carey to push it. I think if Carey has a big year, Syracuse will be tough. If Carey flops, maybe Goodine ends up the point guard, but that likely means bad things have happened.
 

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18 wins, a couple of good wins, but a lot of.....ugh.

Though it always seems like the teams you least expect to be good at SU turn out to be nice surprises, so who knows.
 

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Good recap FiltyOne

Cuse hoops! I've been hardcore fan for 40years. Older sibling attended starting in '79, then I decided to foolishly bundle up and head to the Hill (graduated in '89). I attended many, many games. Was in the Carrier Dome when fans were throwing oranges at the backboard with Ewing at the line, JAP baiting was controversial and sprinting to the Carrier Dome to get in line for season tickets seemed like a clever idea.

Cuse is best when:
1. no one discusses them in the preseason
2. they have 3pt shooting

I expect Carey will be loose with the ball which will lead to Joe Girard stepping in after the first month. Braswell can shoot, so he should be in Boeheim's 8 man rotation (that's Jimmy's limit).

Hughes is the legit star of this group surrounded by a bunch of role players, so this team will go as Hughes goes. Playing overseas in Italy this Summer along with a tough Virgina game should help them get ready for their usually soft out of conference schedule.

That's all I have, need some time to see what Jimmy is up to before I can comment further:drunk:
 

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Good recap FiltyOne

Cuse hoops! I've been hardcore fan for 40years. Older sibling attended starting in '79, then I decided to foolishly bundle up and head to the Hill (graduated in '89). I attended many, many games. Was in the Carrier Dome when fans were throwing oranges at the backboard with Ewing at the line, JAP baiting was controversial and sprinting to the Carrier Dome to get in line for season tickets seemed like a clever idea.

Cuse is best when:
1. no one discusses them in the preseason
2. they have 3pt shooting

I expect Carey will be loose with the ball which will lead to Joe Girard stepping in after the first month. Braswell can shoot, so he should be in Boeheim's 8 man rotation (that's Jimmy's limit).

Hughes is the legit star of this group surrounded by a bunch of role players, so this team will go as Hughes goes. Playing overseas in Italy this Summer along with a tough Virgina game should help them get ready for their usually soft out of conference schedule.

That's all I have, need some time to see what Jimmy is up to before I can comment further:drunk:
I've always preferred it when SU would play fast. Get the ball and gogogogo. Even if it doesn't result in a quick shot, I want them to push the pace as often as possible. It would be lovely if they could knock down 3's at a high rate this year. I would really like it for JB to ditch the high ball screen offense that seems to never produce good looks.
 

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I know Virginia's defense is really good. But I've seen literally three shots by SU that weren't forced, deep chucks, off-balance heaves, rushed shots, balls thrown up with a defender draped all over them. It's just been awful to watch. 27 points scored through 31 minutes played.
 

The Filthy One

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I know Virginia's defense is really good. But I've seen literally three shots by SU that weren't forced, deep chucks, off-balance heaves, rushed shots, balls thrown up with a defender draped all over them. It's just been awful to watch. 27 points scored through 31 minutes played.
I’m starting to buy into the “Boeheim can’t coach offense” narrative. Also, I missed the first half. Why did Carey sit almost the entire game?
 

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I’m starting to buy into the “Boeheim can’t coach offense” narrative. Also, I missed the first half. Why did Carey sit almost the entire game?
Because he sucked. Just like everyone else on the team on the offensive end.

They gave up 48 points (48!) and got crushed. That's how bad they were on offense. This was the worst offensive performance I've ever seen by a Syracuse team by FAR, and I've been watching them since the early 80s. Even the baskets they somehow managed to make were mostly lucky shots off bad shot selections. They were lucky to score 34.
 

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I do believe that all Syracuse teams are allergic to offense.

I am so MF sick of the hero ball one man offense. Pass the ball. Work inside. Play the post game. Instead, one dribble and a contested 3. Awful offense.
 

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The game has passed Boeheim by in that Bowden at Florida State way. The program is stale and sliding into irrelevancy. Recruiting has gone down, development has stalled out, and the guy who should be coaching the team is racking up McDonald's All Americans at Washington.

It's gonna be an ugly 5 years for Syracuse basketball, and it could be much, much longer than 5 years. The frustrating thing is they actually had the succession plan in place to ensure high level continuity, and they allowed Boeheim to blow it up. He'll forever be a legend at Syracuse, but he made himself bigger than the program, and Syracuse will be paying that price.
 

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I do believe that all Syracuse teams are allergic to offense.

I am so MF sick of the hero ball one man offense. Pass the ball. Work inside. Play the post game. Instead, one dribble and a contested 3. Awful offense.
Who is the last legit post scorer SU has had? Christmas? His senior year he was a force on the block but since then, I can't remember a single guy. I know the game has changed, blah blah blah blah freaking blah. But SU runs the same frigging stupid high ball screen action where the ball handler gets double teamed and can't find anyone, then has to dribble out of it and reset and absolutely NOTHING productive happens. I don't mind pick and roll offense, but the guy setting the screen has to be an offensive threat for it to work. When it's Sidibe or Dolezaj or last year Chukwu setting the screen, those guys have basically no offensive skills and so the high pick and roll accomplishes nothing. So you end up with Hughes just chucking, or other guys flailing into the lane.

They have no quality penetrators, so can't really play the drive-and-dish game effectively. They can't free anyone up with screening action. They have no post players so can't go inside-out or get easy buckets at the rim. And to top it off, they don't run. They had on a couple of occasions last night a 3-on-2 and they slowed it down to get into a half court offense. Against freaking VIRGINIA, the best half court defensive team in the country. I was pulling my hair out watching this crap.

Oh and they suck at free throws too so when they manage to get to the line, they shoot 60%. It's infuriating.
 

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The game has passed Boeheim by in that Bowden at Florida State way. The program is stale and sliding into irrelevancy. Recruiting has gone down, development has stalled out, and the guy who should be coaching the team is racking up McDonald's All Americans at Washington.

It's gonna be an ugly 5 years for Syracuse basketball, and it could be much, much longer than 5 years. The frustrating thing is they actually had the succession plan in place to ensure high level continuity, and they allowed Boeheim to blow it up. He'll forever be a legend at Syracuse, but he made himself bigger than the program, and Syracuse will be paying that price.
A-MEN. I wanted JB - who I have loved - to retire on schedule and give the program to Hopkins, as the plan had laid out. But JB just couldn't get out and the entire program is suffering big-time. Oh they'll win 16-18 games this year and maybe get a nice surprise win along the way that will give people hope. But long long long long long gone are the days of SU being an elite team.

Oh and the football team sucks again.

Wonderful days for SU sports. At least field hockey and men's cross country are good.
 

The Filthy One

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I'm surprised Boeheim didn't play more people. The group he had out there was awful and he seemed very reluctant to go to the bench (other than to play Girard). The only thing I can think of is that he had no confidence in any of the freshman being able to play defense yet.

The zone is again a blessing and a curse in games like this. On the one hand, it allowed them to limit UVA to 48 points. But on the other hand, I think it likely forced Boeheim's hand in terms of personnel. I think he normally counts on 8-10 cupcake games early in the year to let new players learn the zone. Without that, he basically played returning players and Girard, despite the fact that none of those players could do anything on offense.