Brogdon to Boston for Theis/Nesmith/2023 1st

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He looked rusty during the first quarter after he came in, but was much better during the rest of the game. He'll be a huge asset if he can stay healthy.
 

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I only watched the first half so far, and it's only preseason....but 41 assists on 48 made baskets is something to behold. And from what I saw in the first half, MB had a lot to do with it. Passing wise, they looked like the 86 Celtics.
 

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I only watched the first half so far, and it's only preseason....but 41 assists on 48 made baskets is something to behold. And from what I saw in the first half, MB had a lot to do with it. Passing wise, they looked like the 86 Celtics.
In some ways better, more of these passes finished above the basket. I don’t remember this many alley oops in 86
 

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I’ve long wanted Brogdon on this team. He is just so solid and fits with the Jay’s so well.
 

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I’ve long wanted Brogdon on this team. He is just so solid and fits with the Jay’s so well.
Yeah and it’s not like he’s a “Pritchard-type fit” either…..Brogdon is fully capable of playing at a championship level in a playoffs of Finals series on both ends of the floor.
 

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Yeah and it’s not like he’s a “Pritchard-type fit” either…..Brogdon is fully capable of playing at a championship level in a playoffs of Finals series on both ends of the floor.
When fully healthy MB should be with the closing 5.

Strong with the ball. Expecting plenty of Drive, Draw, and Dish for spot-up 3s all season long
 

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I think of Brogdon similarly to White. Obviously they aren’t identical players but their general fit in the roster.

Both are “elite” role players, on the fringe of the crunch time 5. And both are well rounded players with multiple strengths you can mix and match based on matchups.

If they’re one of your top 2 or 3 guys, your team isn’t very good. If they are in the top 5-7 range, you are a title contender.

Both are massive upgrades on some of the guys other teams will be throwing out there off the bench.
 

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I think of Brogdon similarly to White. Obviously they aren’t identical players but their general fit in the roster.

Both are “elite” role players, on the fringe of the crunch time 5. And both are well rounded players with multiple strengths you can mix and match based on matchups.

If they’re one of your top 2 or 3 guys, your team isn’t very good. If they are in the top 5-7 range, you are a title contender.

Both are massive upgrades on some of the guys other teams will be throwing out there off the bench.
I think that the only reason Brogdon isn't obviously a starting caliber player is because of his health. There's nothing "role player" about him beyond his inability to stay on the floor.
 

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I think that the only reason Brogdon isn't obviously a starting caliber player is because of his health. There's nothing "role player" about him beyond his inability to stay on the floor.
There is definitely nothing “role player” about Brogdon. The last time he didn’t start a game was in the 2017-18 season. If not for injuries he’d have been a borderline All-Star level player. He an upgrade over White for sure imo.
 

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There is definitely nothing “role player” about Brogdon. The last time he didn’t start a game was in the 2017-18 season. If not for injuries he’d have been a borderline All-Star level player. He an upgrade over White for sure imo.
FWIW, DARKO and LEBRON see them as fairly complementary players. Not exactly mirror images, but Brogdon's superiority on offense is similar to White's on defense. I agree that Brogdon is better, but situationally there will be times where White might be on the court instead.
 

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FWIW, DARKO and LEBRON see them as fairly complementary players. Not exactly mirror images, but Brogdon's superiority on offense is similar to White's on defense. I agree that Brogdon is better, but situationally there will be times where White might be on the court instead.
I firmly believe that, after several years of being the highest usage player on mediocre Pacer teams, he'll bounce back defensively as the 3rd option in Boston who won't always have to have the ball in his hands. I'd be shocked if (when healthy) he doesn't end up better in every way than White (who I happen to like a lot).
 

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I think that the only reason Brogdon isn't obviously a starting caliber player is because of his health. There's nothing "role player" about him beyond his inability to stay on the floor.
Who says a role player can’t be a starter?

Perhaps it’s semantics but “elite role player” doesn’t mean non starter to me.

It means he’s not a lead guy. Not Tatum or Jaylen. Smart and Timelord are just elite role players too.

It’s nice to have a bunch of really good players. Guys that if they were asked to be a top 3 guy, that’s a lottery team… but as an “elite role player” on a better team, they are huge assets.
 
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I firmly believe that, after several years of being the highest usage player on mediocre Pacer teams, he'll bounce back defensively as the 3rd option in Boston who won't always have to have the ball in his hands. I'd be shocked if (when healthy) he doesn't end up better in every way than White (who I happen to like a lot).
That's a fair reason for optimism. I hope that you're right. And here's to being able to stay a little healthier because he's not carrying the team on his back too.
 

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I think it's fair to say that Brogdon has fit in as well as anyone could've hoped. His traditional numbers aren't super impressive (14/4/4), but per 100 they are nearly identical to his numbers in Indy (just more efficient). He's 3rd on the team in scoring and is as good a bet as any to look like the Celtics' 3rd best player on any given night (even though both he and the team seem content to bring him off the bench every single game), and while he won't win 6th MOY (the odds have him 3rd behind Westbrook and Poole), he's been absolutely huge for this team.
 

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I think it's fair to say that Brogdon has fit in as well as anyone could've hoped. His traditional numbers aren't super impressive (14/4/4), but per 100 they are nearly identical to his numbers in Indy (just more efficient). He's 3rd on the team in scoring and is as good a bet as any to look like the Celtics' 3rd best player on any given night (even though both he and the team seem content to bring him off the bench every single game), and while he won't win 6th MOY (the odds have him 3rd behind Westbrook and Poole), he's been absolutely huge for this team.
There was a rough stretch there, but that's life in the NBA. He looked very comfortable in his role tonight with Jaylen out.
 

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He should be in the 3P contest over Tatum
Maybe he was invited and declined? Anyone remember the infamous Sheed All-Star game when he was a last second injury replacement and was so pissed off that he had to cancel his vacation plans that he played the game left handed until his coach finally pulled him for good?
 

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Does Brogdon have the wonkiest form of anyone to lead the league in 3PT%? It's not broken: there aren't tons of moving parts or weird angles. It's just very awkward-looking.
 

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Does Brogdon have the wonkiest form of anyone to lead the league in 3PT%? It's not broken: there aren't tons of moving parts or weird angles. It's just very awkward-looking.
It's because he shoots it so far out in front of his face. Most shooters bring the ball to their forehead (or thereabouts). He doesn't even come close. Looks like he's "pushing" it.

A great topic of discussion would be: Who's a great shooter that's had a terrible shooting form? First name that comes to my mind is Jamaal Wilkes.
 

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A lot of the old school guys had weir debut effective shooting forms, decades before AAU and elite basketball camps pounded it out of them. The threw pointer being so big has changed the way defenses play and having a shot you can get off quickly is critical, and it's harder to do that with a wonky-looking shot. In the old days teams would be cool with guys taking deep jumpers, so they hard more time to get their weird shot up. Centers today like Al have weird shots because they generally have a lot more time to load than someone like Brogdan or Tatum.

Tyrese Haliburton has the weirdest but effective shot from a guard I have seen in today's game.
 

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It's because he shoots it so far out in front of his face. Most shooters bring the ball to their forehead (or thereabouts). He doesn't even come close. Looks like he's "pushing" it.

A great topic of discussion would be: Who's a great shooter that's had a terrible shooting form? First name that comes to my mind is Jamaal Wilkes.
Reggie Miller had really awful mechanics, didn't he? I think in his autobiography (why did I ever read that?), he wrote about wanting his elbow to hit in the follow through.
 

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Old timey Celt, Don Nelson had a funky foul shot, a one hander with a push motion and a little hop which seemed out of synch with the shot. FUGLY.

And HoF forward and Havlicek teammate at tOSU Jerry Lucas had an unorthodox shot put style jumper from distance that was launched low and was deadly.
 

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And HoF forward and Havlicek teammate at tOSU Jerry Lucas had an unorthodox shot put style jumper from distance that was launched low and was deadly.
Probably while practicing magic or memorizing the phone book backwards or something similar he did in his spare time, Lucas concluded that the best way for the round ball to go into the round hole was as vertically as possible. So he shot from low to get higher trajectory.
 

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Bumping with the Sixth Man of the Year announcement coming later today. I'll be pretty surprised if MB doesn't win it.
 

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Well-deserved. Has another Celtic won this since Kevin McHale?

EDIT: Bill Walton won it the year after McHale won it twice. Brogdon is the first Celtic since Walton.
 

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Question for the Port Cellar Historical Brain Trust:

I keep seeing graphics referring to Brogdon’s Sixth Man Award that indicate that McHale won it twice, in ‘84 and ‘85. Was McHale not a starter back then? Or has the award evolved in its meaning, the way the old Red Sox 10th Man Award went to the player, usually a starter (read: Dwight Evans) who gave it his all or something?

Thanks in advance, as I haven’t found a good way to look this up.
 

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Question for the Port Cellar Historical Brain Trust:

I keep seeing graphics referring to Brogdon’s Sixth Man Award that indicate that McHale won it twice, in ‘84 and ‘85. Was McHale not a starter back then? Or has the award evolved in its meaning, the way the old Red Sox 10th Man Award went to the player, usually a starter (read: Dwight Evans) who gave it his all or something?

Thanks in advance, as I haven’t found a good way to look this up.
I won't consider myself a brain or a trust... but it is the former. It is designed as essentially "the best bench player".
 

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Question for the Port Cellar Historical Brain Trust:

I keep seeing graphics referring to Brogdon’s Sixth Man Award that indicate that McHale won it twice, in ‘84 and ‘85. Was McHale not a starter back then? Or has the award evolved in its meaning, the way the old Red Sox 10th Man Award went to the player, usually a starter (read: Dwight Evans) who gave it his all or something?

Thanks in advance, as I haven’t found a good way to look this up.
In McHales early days, Cedric Maxwell started opposite Bird and McHale came off the bench.
 

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I won't consider myself a brain or a trust... but it is the former. It is designed as essentially "the best bench player".
That’s what I thought. Oddly enough, I finally found the stats and I guess he didn’t become a starter until the ‘85-‘86 season, and only started a little over 30 games in the seasons before that. Hadn’t realized that before. Thanks!

In McHales early days, Cedric Maxwell started opposite Bird and McHale came off the bench.
Ah. Thank you.

An independent observer could probably figure out my age within a year or two based on this question alone. :D
 

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Question for the Port Cellar Historical Brain Trust:

I keep seeing graphics referring to Brogdon’s Sixth Man Award that indicate that McHale won it twice, in ‘84 and ‘85. Was McHale not a starter back then? Or has the award evolved in its meaning, the way the old Red Sox 10th Man Award went to the player, usually a starter (read: Dwight Evans) who gave it his all or something?

Thanks in advance, as I haven’t found a good way to look this up.
Cedric Maxwell started for the Celtics through 1985 season. McHale became a full time starter in 1986.
 

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McHale won in 83/84 (10 starts) and 84/85 (31 starts) - 85/86 he started 62 and Bill Walton won 6th man that year.