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moondog80 said:
Sure he has. Without A-Rod and Bryce Harper and Xander Bogaerts making a gazillion dollars, guys like Jorge Soler sign for a lot less than 3 years and 42 mil. Adam Ottanvio isn't looking at 55 mil in career earnings at the end of this season. The 'cost controlled' system may be unfair, but just because he hasn't been able to crack that doesn't mean his impact hasn't been felt across the board.
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He doesn’t want to crack that. Boras is perfectly happy to funnel a larger and larger slice of the pie to a small number of players, because he has a dominant market position and gets an outsized cut of that money. The median mlb salary is 1.5m and the average career is under 4 years. The median salary was higher a decade ago than it is now. The players have acquiesced to a system where you don’t need to spend money to win because there is such massive performance value in the ridiculously cost-controlled years and let the owners gradually squeeze out the advantage of crazy spending without requiring them to significantly raise the $$ that flow to the massively underpaid younger players. Many players are worse off than if the union had worked to bring up the earnings of the lowest paid rather than maximize the earnings of the highest paid, and Boras is seen as a force driving the union towards the make the rich richer approach. Maybe this should be merged with that other thread, but it seems like there is a contingent within the union that would very much agree with this analysis.
 
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VORP Speed said:
He doesn’t want to crack that. Boras is perfectly happy to funnel a larger and larger slice of the pie to a small number of players, because he has a dominant market position and gets an outsized cut of that money. The median mlb salary is 1.5m and the average career is under 4 years. The median salary was higher a decade ago than it is now. The players have acquiesced to a system where you don’t need to spend money to win because there is such massive performance value in the ridiculously cost-controlled years and let the owners gradually squeeze out the advantage of crazy spending without requiring them to significantly raise the $$ that flow to the massively underpaid younger players. Many players are worse off than if the union had worked to bring up the earnings of the lowest paid rather than maximize the earnings of the highest paid, and Boras is seen as a force driving the union towards the make the rich richer approach. Maybe this should be merged with that other thread, but it seems like there is a contingent within the union that would very much agree with this analysis.
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Yeah, this is well-put. Somebody said this in another thread, but Boras's approach is anchored by the belief that a rising tide will lift all boats. That hasn't really happened. What the rising tide has definitely done is lift Boras's boat, as most of the money gets directed to the top-end of the market, which Boras is focused on. What it has not done - or certainly not to the same extend - is lift the boats of more middle class/lower class players. But Boras doesn't really care about those guys, he doesn't make any money on them.

The whole player pay architecture is pretty messed up for most but the mid to top-end. I don't know how they fix it - but I don't expect Boras to hold the solution.
 
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Snoop Soxy Dogg said:
Yeah, this is well-put. Somebody said this in another thread, but Boras's approach is anchored by the belief that a rising tide will lift all boats. That hasn't really happened. What the rising tide has definitely done is lift Boras's boat, as most of the money gets directed to the top-end of the market, which Boras is focused on. What it has not done - or certainly not to the same extend - is lift the boats of more middle class/lower class players. But Boras doesn't really care about those guys, he doesn't make any money on them.

The whole player pay architecture is pretty messed up for most but the mid to top-end. I don't know how they fix it - but I don't expect Boras to hold the solution.
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Justin Turner will be 39 this year, doesn’t help much in the field, and is a good but far from great hitter, and he is getting paid 13 million this year.

Jordan Hicks has a career ERA+ of 106, career WAR of 1.7, and just signed a deal for $44 million. To fill a role he’s pretty much never done.

Enrique Hernandez hasn’t been a MLB quality player since 2021 and he signed a deal for $4 million. This will put his career earnings over $40 mil.

The non stars are doing just fine.
 
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moondog80 said:
Justin Turner will be 39 this year, doesn’t help much in the field, and is a good but far from great hitter, and he is getting paid 13 million this year.

Jordan Hicks has a career ERA+ of 106, career WAR of 1.7, and just signed a deal for $44 million. To fill a role he’s pretty much never done.

Enrique Hernandez hasn’t been a MLB quality player since 2021 and he signed a deal for $4 million. This will put his career earnings over $40 mil.

The non stars are doing just fine.
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Hicks isn't a great example. There's risk in converting him sure, but he was also the youngest quality pitcher on the market not named Yamamoto. That deal's about getting his age 27-30 seasons.
 
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So we treat the rumored Yankees offer as gospel? If so, why? This board seems pretty dismissive of almost any rumor as being a leak by one side or the other, so I’m curious as to how we know this offer was ironclad and 100% absolutely legit.
 
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