Arsenal 24-25: Third Time Lucky?

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League fixtures are out. My first reaction is that I like this as a change of pace from the last few years. We've got an extremely difficult first third of the season, with five of our toughest away fixtures in the first eleven matches (including three in the first five matches), a manageable second third of the season over the winter with most tough opponents at home, then a very kind run-in other than the trip to Anfield. If we manage to stay within shouting distance of the top by mid November, we should be well positioned for the rest of the year. We were very good in the second half of last year and we'll need to keep that form going because August to mid-November will be brutal.

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A lot of noise about Riccardo Calafiori. I've been burnt so many times in this situation that I'm still somewhat skeptical about players like this actually leaving Italy rather than using us as leverage in negotiations over a transfer to Juventus. But we've been rumored for a while to be in the market for a LB/LCB type player and this would be a pretty exciting addition. Califori has played a lot of LB in the past. My assumption is that Kiwior might leave if he joined.

This would leave us with five top notch defenders to rotate, two pure CBs (Saliba, Gabriel) and three guys who could play fullback or CB (White, Timber, Califiori). Then we'd also have a jack-of-all-trades squad player who can play across the backline (Tomiyasu) and a specialist possession-oriented LB (Zinchenko). That would be a great group and set up well to weather a packed schedule and the likelihood that we won't get the same injury luck with our central defenders that we had last year.

 

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A lot of noise about Riccardo Calafiori. I've been burnt so many times in this situation that I'm still somewhat skeptical about players like this actually leaving Italy rather than using us as leverage in negotiations over a transfer to Juventus. But we've been rumored for a while to be in the market for a LB/LCB type player and this would be a pretty exciting addition. Califori has played a lot of LB in the past. My assumption is that Kiwior might leave if he joined.

This would leave us with five top notch defenders to rotate, two pure CBs (Saliba, Gabriel) and three guys who could play fullback or CB (White, Timber, Califiori). Then we'd also have a jack-of-all-trades squad player who can play across the backline (Tomiyasu) and a specialist possession-oriented LB (Zinchenko). That would be a great group and set up well to weather a packed schedule and the likelihood that we won't get the same injury luck with our central defenders that we had last year.

Do we think it's Kiwior? It seems a bit more like Zinchenko is the one on the outs even if it's not a like for like replacement. Zinchenko and maybe Partey are to me the most likely regular players to be heading out this summer with possibly Jesus if they can pick up a striker.
 

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I just hope it doesn't mean Gabriel wants out.
This is from February, talking about the beginning of last season:
https://arseblog.news/2024/02/gabriel-admits-arteta-told-him-to-reject-saudi-move/

When Gabriel Magalhaes was benched by Mikel Arteta for the first three games of the season, it was odd, to say the least. All the more so when the manager claimed the decision was tactical.
As was reported at the time, the defender, a near ever-present for the Gunners last season, was a target for sides in Saudi Arabia and appeared to have had his head turned by the money on offer.
Arsenal wouldn’t countenance an offer and once the transfer window closed, the defender was restored to the starting lineup. Since then, he’s missed just one league game, renewing the impressive partnership he’s struck up with William Saliba.
Having hinted at it previously, Gabriel has now admitted that his early season mental wobble did indeed result in him being dropped.

“It was tough, obviously at the start. I wanted to play and it was very difficult for me but I understood what the coach had to do,” Gabriel told the Press Association.
“It is difficult for any player to not be in the team but now I’m back in I want to keep on working hard to prove my worth. He [Arteta] spoke to me and obviously explained the reasons behind the decision. Why I should stay – but the most important thing was to remain focused and concentrate – he knew how important I was to the team, so I’m happy to be back and to be able to help the team in every game. I’m happy to be back in the team and hopefully I can help them moving forward.”
 

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Arsenal updates:

-The Califiori deal seems very close and I'm pretty excited about it. He looks like a perfect fit for Arteta's Arsenal. And who doesn't love a composed and cultured Italian defender with long hair and a headband?

-We've seen pretty credible links for ESR (Fulham and Palace), Eddie (Marseille), and Nelson (West Ham) but we'll see what happens. Sales are hard.

-It looks fairly likely that we are pushing to sign Nico Williams but he is waiting to see if Barcelona can come up with the money first. I can see that one rumbling on for a while.

-The squad is now in LA and will play Bournemouth in a couple days. A few more reinforcements (Havertz, Martinelli, Big Gabi) should join afterwards.

-I'm going to the Arsenal-Liverpool match on July 31 with my son. No idea who will be actually playing but it should be a good time.
 

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Arsenal updates:

-The Califiori deal seems very close and I'm pretty excited about it. He looks like a perfect fit for Arteta's Arsenal. And who doesn't love a composed and cultured Italian defender with long hair and a headband?

-I'm going to the Arsenal-Liverpool match on July 31 with my son. No idea who will be actually playing but it should be a good time.
This Liverpool fan is jealous on both counts.

A big day for sell-on clauses. Basel gets 50%? Well done. That fee looks like great value. And with Timber coming back this season, Arsenal suddenly have the best CB depth...in the world?

View: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1814609848597618760
 

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Arsenal updates:

-The Califiori deal seems very close and I'm pretty excited about it. He looks like a perfect fit for Arteta's Arsenal. And who doesn't love a composed and cultured Italian defender with long hair and a headband?

-We've seen pretty credible links for ESR (Fulham and Palace), Eddie (Marseille), and Nelson (West Ham) but we'll see what happens. Sales are hard.

-It looks fairly likely that we are pushing to sign Nico Williams but he is waiting to see if Barcelona can come up with the money first. I can see that one rumbling on for a while.

-The squad is now in LA and will play Bournemouth in a couple days. A few more reinforcements (Havertz, Martinelli, Big Gabi) should join afterwards.

-I'm going to the Arsenal-Liverpool match on July 31 with my son. No idea who will be actually playing but it should be a good time.
Califiori does seem like a great fit for Arteta's style, and who can resist a stylish Italian defender? Hope the deals for ESR, Eddie, and Nelson work out, and fingers crossed Nico Williams chooses Arsenal over Barcelona.
 

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I’m more vested in Merino than Nico - both because I think we need the help in midfield more than up front (Jorginho and Partey as the 6s all season is … risky) and because all accounts are that Barca has just enough levers left to pull to get Nico.
 

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Also, Orny reporting ESR to Fulham close to happening, for up to £35MM, matching our biggest sale (lol).

View: https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1816243258571514031


EXCLUSIVE: Fulham close to reaching agreement with Arsenal to sign Emile Smith Rowe. Talks over move worth up to £35m; would be record recruit for #FFC + match biggest #AFC sale. If deal struck 23yo expected to do medical & finalise terms
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That would be a great sale. I did not think we would get as much as 35m for him given his injury record over the last few years.

Its too bad things didn't work out but the writing has been on the wall for a while. I just don't think he has the physical intensity to play in midfield for Arteta. But I certainly wish him only the best with his career and I hope he kills it at Fulham.
 

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Yeah, I’m debating ESR as a 5.5 M in FPL. That’s probably too cute by half, but it’s tempting.

I loved the Viera goal last night - such a clean, pretty shot. I’d love to have some hope that there’s a capable backup for Odegaard who’s not 17 years old. But then I read from McNichols that Ben White had to chew Vieria’s ass out at halftime for not getting back in transitions, and that hope starts to fade again…
 

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I like ESR but that’s an overpay by Fulham. Great business for Arsenal for FFP purposes.
 

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Solid win today to kick off the season! First match is always scrappy and hard to draw much from but overall we were good, with maybe one bad stretch around 60 minutes

Merino seems close, wouldn’t be surprised to hear it’s done in the next few days.

Next four fixtures are brutal: @Villa, Brighton, @Spurs, @City.
 

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Love beating Emery and Martinez. Good - but somewhat unconvincing - win. Easily could have been 0-2 the other way.
 

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Plenty of chat on Merino in the La Liga thread. Wasn't excited at 1st, but now stoked to see what he has to offer. Wonder how often he'll start. It's a €37MM fee; he's signed for 4 years.

Seems Nketiah is off to likely Crystal Palace for ~£30MM. Nothing official yet, and can always fall through. Would absolutely love to get that for him (duh) & a change of scenery may see him thrive so @candylandriots & @Mr Jums can enjoy him.

Fábio Vieira went back to FC Porto on loan, & was given kit number 10, a bit of an eye-opener which might suggest he's not coming back, &/or it's a loan-with-an-obligation-to-buy.

Old friend Wojciech Szczęsny is retiring from professional football.

Lastly, Ornstein seems to think 'Edu is cooking', so I guess there's still some time to make another buy? Could still use attackers in rotation, especially to replace ESR, Vieira on loan, Gabriel Jesus' injury-prone-ness these days, & now Nketiah likely looking at a departure.
 

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Ramsdale also seems done, per Orny & Romano.

View: https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1828870871655579964


View: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1828868470387147113


Also, Simon Collins (only Tier 3) reporting it's £18MM upfront + another £1MM if Soton stay up, while the remaining £6MM will be incentivised.

Joan García (Espanyol) is deemed the replacement, but that has been the case for awhile, it was just a matter if Rams was gone or not.

Ramsdale had his cringe moments, but I appreciated him and hope he does really well, just not against us. ;)

García seems to be a carbon copy of Raya - very good at pass distribution. Excited to see what he can do. @rguilmar, do you have any wisdom to share on García?
 

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García seems to be a carbon copy of Raya - very good at pass distribution. Excited to see what he can do. @rguilmar, do you have any wisdom to share on García?
It’s a little hard to say as ESPN+ cut down on their Segunda coverage last season. From the games
I saw, Espanyol were defensively dominant so he didn’t have much to do. That being said, I have an uncle who is an Espanyol fan who is pretty upset about losing him. García is kinda good at everything, from shot stopping to distribution. He doesn’t seem to be spectacular at anything, but the things that stand out most are his comfort with crosses in the air and how often he catches a shot instead of punching it (again, that could have been more of a function of Espanyol’s dominance).

As a backup GK, he’s pretty ideal in the sense that he is clearly behind Raya but is solid in net. He won’t win you many games, but won’t cost you any either.
 

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García is kinda good at everything, from shot stopping to distribution. He doesn’t seem to be spectacular at anything, but the things that stand out most are his comfort with crosses in the air and how often he catches a shot instead of punching it (again, that could have been more of a function of Espanyol’s dominance).

As a backup GK, he’s pretty ideal in the sense that he is clearly behind Raya but is solid in net. He won’t win you many games, but won’t cost you any either.
Got it. Thanks as always!
 

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The "important summer signing getting injured before playing a single full game" thing now seems to be an annual tradition:
https://sports.yahoo.com/arsenal-32m-signing-mikel-merino-153700997.html
Mikel Merino broke his shoulder in his first training session.
Positioned as a pivotal part of Arteta’s plans to bolster the midfield, his injury poses a temporary setback. Merino, who had his first training on Thursday, suffered a collision that resulted in a “small fracture.” This incident will see him sidelined for “a few weeks,” complicating Arteta’s strategy for the upcoming fixtures.
If his shoulder is truly broken, it seems like it would be more like a couple months than a couple weeks. We'll see I guess.
 

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Merino will probably be out until after the second international break. Bournemouth October 20th looks like a likely return game. The good thing is that only covers five PL matches, including tomorrow's tilt against Brighton in which he was never likely to feature. The bad thing is that run includes trips to Spurs and City and he would have been a very useful player to have available for those fixtures.

In other news, we signed Sterling on loan, apparently with very favorable conditions. I think this is a pretty solid option given the dearth of top level attacking talent available on the market this summer. He can give us much better coverage than Nelson at RW while also competing with Martinelli/Trossard for LW minutes. And he can cover CF in a pinch if necessary as well.

Perhaps just as importantly, a loan keeps our financial powder dry and an attacking squad spot open next summer, which is shaping up to be a huge one in terms of top level attacking players moving clubs (Wirtz, Williams, Openda, Sesko will very likely move then, quite possibly also a few of Khvaratskhelia, Leao, Rodryo, Isak). I think the long term plan is to go big on another attacker and that plan still seems well on track.

All in all, it was a really successful window that leaves us stronger. A big problem last year was that Arteta's circle of trust simply didn't extend to enough players, so he had to ride some guys way too hard. Compared to last year’s squad in terms of field players, we have replaced six players Arteta didn’t trust and simply didn’t want to use for any fixture that mattered:

Nketiah
Smith-Rowe
Nelson
Vieira
Elneny
Cedric

With four very good players Arteta will be willing to play in any fixture and two ultra talented teenagers that still need to earn trust but who he clearly rates:

Calafiori
Timber (not a new signing, but still an addition to the squad)
Merino
Sterling
Nwaneri
Lewis-Skelly

That’s a huge improvement to our effective squad depth.
 
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It's not great to be going into the NLD without our entire first choice midfield.

I think there's a good chance that Arteta rolls the dice with Nwaneri in Odegaard's position. An away NLD against a very high intensity version of Spurs would be a trial by fire for his full debut at senior level. But Arteta rates him really highly and the alternatives all suck.

If we play both Partey and Jorginho in midfield, we'd have to change a lot tactically. We're not used to playing with a midfield double pivot in possession and I don't think we could press at all with that midfield. People have mentioned putting Zinchenko or Timber into midfield but I just don't see it. Zinny plays midfield for Ukraine but Arteta has never shown any enthusiasm about playing him there for Arsenal and he's a player getting phased out of the side in general, not a guy you're trying to include at any cost. Timber is still recovering from his ACL surgery and the club has been very careful about not overburdening him. I don't see Arteta tossing him into one of the most physically intense and demanding roles on the pitch.

More broadly, Arteta tends to be a manager that tries to change as little as possible when missing a key player. He doesn't do a lot of "this guys shifts there, then this other guy shifts here, then we play this different way, etc etc." The way you change the least is to play Partey at the base of midfield, Havertz as L8 where he has played a lot previously, Jesus up top, and then Nwaneri coming in for Odegaard in his natural right 8 or attacking midfield position.
 

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Huge win for the Arsenal, especially given the injury/suspension circumstances.

Back four was immense.

Lets hope we recover some players for these upcoming Atalanta/City matches. I haven't seen much word on Calafiori's injury or why Zinchenko was missing but just getting them back for depth purposes would be a big lift.
 

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Huge win for the Arsenal, especially given the injury/suspension circumstances.

Back four was immense.

Lets hope we recover some players for these upcoming Atalanta/City matches. I haven't seen much word on Calafiori's injury or why Zinchenko was missing but just getting them back for depth purposes would be a big lift.
Arteta's been pretty vague about Odegaard and Calafiori's injuries, so no idea when either of them will be back. Zinchenko picked up a calf injury in practice, so that could be a while for him too.

But this was a big win and the defense did come up huge. It got pretty chippy there in the first half, but overall Arsenal handled it well. Without the usual creators in midfield it was hard to have offensive flow, and Partey and Jorginho got stretched defensively at times. But big Gabi comes up big with a set piece goal and everything comes out ok in the end.
 

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Well that game was an experience. No desire whatsoever to watch that again, for all sorts of reasons.

Stepping back, I think we are in pretty good shape given the circumstances. We've got three of the hardest away fixtures of the season done in the first five games, we've twice had to play full second halves with 10 men, we've lost two of our first choice midfielders to injury, and we're only two points off the top. We've also played one of the toughest 2-3 CL fixtures on our schedule and gotten a decent point.

We obviously need to stop having guys sent off. As inconsistently applied and generally stupid as the refereeing decisions have been, they've both been instances where we gave the referee a decision to make unnecessarily.

The league schedule softens up a bit now and Arteta's task is to figure out a way to play more expansively without Odegaard and Merino so that we can hopefully get maximum points against Leicester, Southampton, and away to Bournemouth in advance of another tough run in which we'll play Liverpool, Newcastle away, Inter away, and Chelsea away from 10/27-11/10. Hopefully Merino at minimum will be back for that run, both him and Odegaard would be huge.
 

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Of all the f-ing BS that happened in that game Haaland the Orc throwing the ball off of the back of Gabbi's head after the goal, VAR seeing and and not addressing it is the worst. And the fact they saw it, didn't do anything and now they cannot "go back" it is insane.

I have seen enough of Michael Oliver reffing other games to know he has a f-ing agenda against us. He's a good ref when he wants to be and he went out of his way to muck that game up for us.
 

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That's not a red card offense so VAR can't go back on it. It's petty, and funny tbh, and likely indicates that Haaland is frustrated on some level by Gabriel and Saliba. A good thing in the long run.

The open-play offense has been average at best through a tough stretch of games. They need to see the ball go in the net in the coming weeks. I'd like to see Jesus out wide against teams that are likely to play defensively.
 

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Of all the f-ing BS that happened in that game [INSERT QUESTIONABLE DECISION], VAR seeing and and not addressing it is the worst. And the fact they saw it, didn't do anything and now they cannot "go back" it is insane.

I have seen enough of [INSERT REF NAME] reffing other games to know he has a f-ing agenda against us. He's a good ref when he wants to be and he went out of his way to muck that game up for us.
Fixed that for you.
 

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That's not a red card offense so VAR can't go back on it. It's petty, and funny tbh, and likely indicates that Haaland is frustrated on some level by Gabriel and Saliba. A good thing in the long run.

The open-play offense has been average at best through a tough stretch of games. They need to see the ball go in the net in the coming weeks. I'd like to see Jesus out wide against teams that are likely to play defensively.
It'd probably be a tad funnier if Arsenal players weren't getting sent off for touching the ball after the whistle.. Glad he's frustrated, but it's an example in a long line of things that he seems to always get away with.
 

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Of all the f-ing BS that happened in that game Haaland the Orc throwing the ball off of the back of Gabbi's head after the goal, VAR seeing and and not addressing it is the worst. And the fact they saw it, didn't do anything and now they cannot "go back" it is insane.

I have seen enough of Michael Oliver reffing other games to know he has a f-ing agenda against us. He's a good ref when he wants to be and he went out of his way to muck that game up for us.
The fact that Oliver (and other EPL refs) refs games in the UAE and Saudi Arabia where he's paid by City's owners seems like something that should be avoided.. especially in season.

Arsenal getting two reds, for fairly innocuous 'offenses', this short into the season seems odd, but hopefully it's just an outlier... and not something that continues to get called for any team in the EPL.. games are just better when both teams have a full squad.

edit: crazy that Arsenal had two reds all of last season..
 

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That's not a red card offense so VAR can't go back on it. It's petty, and funny tbh, and likely indicates that Haaland is frustrated on some level by Gabriel and Saliba.
tbh I didn't find it funny. Still don't. Proud of Gabby for not responding. I would have.

Literally, on the kick-off following the goal Haaland trucks over Partey.

I also have a hard time believing that Oliver or another ref wouldn't show a red for that in certain situations. Like if that was Xhaka throwing the ball off the back of Kane's head after a goall - all of sudden that would have been violent conduct and the ref would have been sent to the monitor.

Again, this wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game (it was 2-2 and long past when the final whistle should have been sounded) but I think it was completely unsportsmanlike and the league just throwing it's hands up and saying "well we saw it but we also missed it" isn't OK.
 

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tbh I didn't find it funny. Still don't. Proud of Gabby for not responding. I would have.

Literally, on the kick-off following the goal Haaland trucks over Partey.

I also have a hard time believing that Oliver or another ref wouldn't show a red for that in certain situations. Like if that was Xhaka throwing the ball off the back of Kane's head after a goall - all of sudden that would have been violent conduct and the ref would have been sent to the monitor.

Again, this wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game (it was 2-2 and long past when the final whistle should have been sounded) but I think it was completely unsportsmanlike and the league just throwing it's hands up and saying "well we saw it but we also missed it" isn't OK.
Oliver has done 47 Man U games and never given them a red.. in that same time he’s sent off 7 Arsenal players.. maybe he shouldn’t be doing Arsenal games on top of the Newcastle games he’s already not allowed to do.
 

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Michael Oliver was paid £20,000 in 2023 to officiate a match in the UAE. This was paid by the Sheikh Mansour. Sheikh Mansour owns 81% of City Football Group, which owns Manchester City.

Draw your own conclusions.
 

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Michael Oliver was paid £20,000 in 2023 to officiate a match in the UAE. This was paid by the Sheikh Mansour. Sheikh Mansour owns 81% of City Football Group, which owns Manchester City.

Draw your own conclusions.
And it wasn't just Oliver.. there were four other EPL officials - they ref'd one game and were each paid 20k.
 

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That's not a red card offense so VAR can't go back on it. It's petty, and funny tbh, and likely indicates that Haaland is frustrated on some level by Gabriel and Saliba. A good thing in the long run.
Couldn't you argue that its violent conduct?
 

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Great to get three points on a day the football Gods seemed to be against us, conceding two on a deflection and absolute worldie, while the Leicester keeper played absolutely out of his mind to hold us to two for 90+ minutes.

Always beware the hype with youth players but in the case of Ethan Nwaneri I'm all in on the idea that he is a top player in the making whose career will only be derailed by injury. The combination of technique, footballing instincts, and personality to impose himself on the game just isn't something I've seen from a 17-year-old very often. I don't think he'll ever be a physical monster but he seems to have enough quickness to skip away from players when dribbling and enough speed to beat his defender to dangerous spots on the field when running off the ball. His body probably isn't ready to play 90 minutes of PL football at the intensity level we require yet. But the kid is kicking the door down rather than knocking politely and I think Arteta will find ways to get him on the pitch more and more in sub appearances in the PL and in starts in other competitions.

So far he has put on the shirt three times this year:

-Comes on near the end of a very tense away NLD and is our most composed attacking player, helping us greatly to kill the game by keeping the ball smoothly under pressure numerous times.
-Starts in the League Cup for his full debut at senior level and bags a brace, albeit against Bolton.
-Comes on late when we badly need a goal in the PL and immediately takes the ball from the deep wing across the field to force the keeper into a diving save within about 10 seconds, then dribbles three guys to create another chance a few minutes later.

The real challenges are obviously still to come but you don't see this type of 17-year-old very often.
 
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Arteta is keeping his cards close to his vest but there is a pretty good chance we'll go into this match against Liverpool without Saliba, Odegaard, Saka, Calafiori, or Timber. Tomiyasu is also injured and Zinchenko hasn't played for two months so I can't see him starting. We may see Ben White playing CB, Partey playing RB, and either Kiwior or 17-year-old Myles Lewis-Skelly at LB up against Mo Salah.

I'd snap your hand off for a draw if it was offered.
 

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Arteta is keeping his cards close to his vest but there is a pretty good chance we'll go into this match against Liverpool without Saliba, Odegaard, Saka, Calafiori, or Timber. Tomiyasu is also injured and Zinchenko hasn't played for two months so I can't see him starting. We may see Ben White playing CB, Partey playing RB, and either Kiwior or 17-year-old Myles Lewis-Skelly at LB up against Mo Salah.

I'd snap your hand off for a draw if it was offered.
The rash of Arsenal injuries is really disappointing for the league overall. Hopefully they can get fit and make a big second half push for 2nd place...

Regardless of the squad Arteta has available, I do think this will be a big test for Slot. Liverpool couldn't get themselves organized enough to control the midfield against Chelsea - Grav was playing deeper and Szobo was left trying to hold the center by himself. Maresca is from the same tree as Pep & Arteta, 2 of the best at finding ways to win the middle of the pitch, so I expect some smart tactical tweaks that will pose problems for Liverpool.

We also just saw Red Bull carve up 'Pool for 4 big chances midweek, only by the grace of Kelleher's gloves did they emerge with a clean sheet. Even without Saka, Arsenal have much better finishers to call on.
 
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