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After a surprisingly wonderful 22-23 season, Arsenal find themselves in the very unfamiliar position of actually being quite good. But one great year with a point total in the mid 80s doesn't guarantee further progression (see, for example, Arsenal 07-08, Liverpool 08-09 or 13-14, Tottenham 16-17). Its pretty easy to lose your way if you start doing things like selling your best players to rivals, going entire windows without buying anyone, or hiring Roy Hodgson. Critically, Arteta, Edu, and others seem to understand that they're still not nearly good enough and that going up a further level is not going to just happen organically from within: All the talk is about a big summer window and a substantial push from the club's owners to keep improving the squad.

One simple way to look at things: Man City don't actually have a huge squad but they have around 16-17 truly top level field players that Pep is comfortable rotating among without their level dropping too much. That is what Arsenal need to aspire to doing and right now we have at best 12 such players depending on whether you include Trossard and Jorginho in that group. One might hope that a couple internal candidates (ESR, Kiwior, Vieira, Tomiyasu, Nketiah) will become reliable enough to really get into the Arteta circle of trust or reestablish themselves there but in any case Arsenal are going to have to add a few players externally. Two midfielders (with Xhaka leaving), at least one defender, and perhaps one attacker have been rumored.

A big push for Declan Rice is first on the agenda by all accounts. I imagine the success or failure of that move will set other dominos in motion in terms of how the club approaches the rest of the summer. Lots of noise suggests that it should be resolved one way or another in the next couple weeks.
 
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Anyway...on the football matters. I thought about Rice quite a bit after a fairly underwhelming performance last night. On one level we would be buying a 50-60m talent level player for 90-100m and that’s not great on its face. But I do think there are a few underlying considerations that make it more sensible than it first appears.

We can’t afford to miss on this transfer and I think Rice has a very high floor. Barring some kind of catastrophic injury, he would be a very good player for us in domestic football for a long time, just because the PL has become such a fast paced demanding game in midfield and he is perfectly suited for it while having at least a decent technical level.

Given our history, the way we play, and the fact that we still have some relatively small technical players, other sides and pundits and everybody will always be wondering whether they can just kick us off the park. Especially with Xhaka leaving, we need this profile of player in the team who can match anybody physically in that midfield zone and will square up to anybody.

From a squad building perspective, he is really an ideal player in that he is 24 and as an English player unlikely to start twerking for Real Madrid or Barcelona so you can see him not only coming in immediately at a high level but also being a cornerstone of the side for 6-7 years, on the same cycle as the rest of our young talented players in the 21-24 age bracket.

There is a good chance Rice captains England once Kane retires and I think that does matter on the margins in terms of how you are treated by the media and referees.

He’s not a 100m talent who is going to come in and transform us on the pitch, he just doesn’t have enough talent with the ball at his feet for that. But I think he could still be worth 90-100m to us if that makes sense.
 
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On the topic of Declan Rice, here is a video that I thought was well done on his potential role here as a 6 and an 8. The premise is at the 8 he provides something different than what Xhaka (can) provide(d) in that he can carry the ball at his feet better than Xhaka.

View: https://youtu.be/MORzyerY6Qs

It won't happen, but I'd love 'Ricado' + 1 other midfield signing. İlkay Gündoğan on a free would be tremendous: you could start him as 1 of the 8s with Rice as a 6 & Caicedo at RB. This would solve some of our depth issues as White can move back to CB when he's not at RB. Tomiyasu can go LB when he plays to spell Zinchenko.

Other times you could plug Caicedo at 6 & Rice at 8 & rotate Ødegaard/Gündoğan for the other 8.

But Gündoğan is likely Barça bound or will re-up with Man City. The wages will be stupid-high anyway, so maybe we'll be put off for other targets + raises for Ø, Saliba, Reiss Nelson (where it's suggested an extension is close).

And Caicedo may be choosing Chelsea but there is that Ecuadorian article about him strongly preferring UCL. But as we all know, money talks.

I'll shut up for now about more transfer talk because this time of season always drives me mad. ;)

There is a good chance Rice captains England once Kane retires and I think that does matter on the margins in terms of how you are treated by the media and referees.
I completely agree & this is why at the end of the day I come around to really wanting this transfer.
 

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As we think about the number and shape of holes to fill, I'll point out that there's a chain of events in British courts that could affect Partey's availability/desirability for next year, too.
 

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As we think about the number and shape of holes to fill, I'll point out that there's a chain of events in British courts that could affect Partey's availability/desirability for next year, too.
Also his age and recent injury history might drive their desire to bring in 2 midfielders, as I've often heard. But also the reasons you mention.
 

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Saliba extends!:

View: https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1667479412063850497?s=46&t=Cw3TKWMsijHD6aQf1rSGsA


EXCL: Arsenal have reached agreement with William Saliba over new 4yr contract. 22yo had 12mnths on existing deal but fresh terms will tie him down until at least 2027, amid strong interest from PL + abroad. Now on to paperwork stage.

Edit: and apparently will be switching to kit number 2, as expected.
Huge news! As with Saka, I don’t love the four year deal but that’s a minor detail. The big picture is that we’ll have this entire young core together for 3-4 more seasons at the very least. Now we just need to add to it aggressively this summer.

Edu has killed it over the last year in terms of contract renewals.
 

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A deal for Declan Rice seems 95% done according to a number of media reports, something like £90m plus £10-15m in add ons. He is with England for Euro qualifying matches Friday and next Monday so if everything goes smoothly I would expect to hear some reliable sources confirming that a deal is concluded later this week and then a medical/signing/announcement mid-late next week.

That's a lot of cheddar but he is a really good player who will hopefully be a bedrock of the side for 7-8 years.

Rice signed and Saliba extended would be a great start to the window, probably the two biggest priorities we have. It will be interesting to see what the club does afterward. I'm still not really sure that I believe we'll spend 75m on Caicedo after splashing out this much on Rice, but the finances of the game have just gone crazy so you never know.
 

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FWIW, my thoughts on Havertz here.

Right now, I'm disappointed, especially because I can see using this fee (whatever is agreed upon) to fund our rivals for a particular Ecuadorian player. Unless I missed it, I haven't seen any concrete/Tier 1 reports that Caicedo will be a target for us this summer anyway.

Tactically, it seems Havertz is best at 2nd striker. But as we currently play, we don't have a target man for him to be playing off of. I've seen speculation he could thrive as the left-channel #8, replacing Xhaka. If Arteta is keen on him in this role, then I have the belief he can succeed.

But if this has legs and moves quickly, I am disappointed that we are helping Chelsea raise funds early this window.
 

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FWIW, my thoughts on Havertz here.

Right now, I'm disappointed, especially because I can see using this fee (whatever is agreed upon) to fund our rivals for a particular Ecuadorian player. Unless I missed it, I haven't seen any concrete/Tier 1 reports that Caicedo will be a target for us this summer anyway.

Tactically, it seems Havertz is best at 2nd striker. But as we currently play, we don't have a target man for him to be playing off of. I've seen speculation he could thrive as the left-channel #8, replacing Xhaka. If Arteta is keen on him in this role, then I have the belief he can succeed.

But if this has legs and moves quickly, I am disappointed that we are helping Chelsea raise funds early this window.
Views on this seem to differ pretty widely but I think he would be largely providing a high level rotation option for both Saka and Odegaard, essentially the player we hoped Vieira would be. This is how he was largely used at Bayer Leverkusen when he had two very successful years, as one can see from his heat maps. A technical player who plays in the right half space or wide and then selectively crashes the box.

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Chelsea has used him a lot as a central striker but I think that is largely just due to their dysfunctional squad. They haven't had a good alternative 9 for years and they have had a surplus of attacking midfielder/winger type players in Mount, Ziyech, Werner, Pulisic and more recently Sterling, Felix, Mudryk, etc.

We can't count on Odegaard and Saka to play 75 PL matches between them again, as they did last year, and we don't really have any good options behind them with Vieira looking like a bust and then ESR, Trossard, and Nelson all being best on the left and never making much of an impression on the right.
 

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Arteta must see something in Havertz. Talksport were saying the new bid is around the £55 million mark and personal terms aren't going to be a problem - just got to agree on the transfer fee.

I didn't see Havertz to Arsenal on any horizon a few months ago.
 

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Latest (substantial) rumours from Romano:

- Havertz personal terms agreed, and a deal hope to be reached with Chelsea after the international break.

- Thomas Partey 'concrete chance' to be leaving this summer.

- Romeo Lavia is on the radar with 'strong interest'.

I still don't fully understand the Havertz interest, but the graph of his Leverkusen days above helps (thanks @Morgan's Magic Snowplow!). As a rotation option, I'm keen. Hefty price tag for a rotation, though.

I've seen tactics suggestions, including a 4-2-4, and a 3-2-4-1, all slotting him on the right side next to Ødegaard, having both of them start. Reckon it matches when Pep Guardiola would have KdB & Bernardo Silva next to each other. Of course, KdB doesn't have a 'weak' foot, & Silva's left foot creates a strong dichotomy. Ø's right foot isn't nearly as strong; would 2 left-footers next to each other matter any?

Partey news is interesting; there were rumours a couple of Italian teams interested. I think he would play very well in Italy, but Italian clubs are notoriously cheap, & we are horrendous at selling our players.

Romeo Lavia news is welcomed with open arms by me. I really like him as a 'budget-Caicedo' and think it would be good business if Caicedo goes for £100MM+ as rumoured. Even if Partey leaves, Jorginho would likely stay, & Lavia can provide good depth at the 6 assuming Rice could also slot there at times (if the plan is to move him up the pitch is accurate).

Edit: apparently Lavia's buy-back clause with Man City is only active until 2024. Not sure how it would all work, & maybe if Arsenal agree a deal with Southampton, the clause gets wiped-out if MC don't have right to first refusal?

Speaking of Rice, things have been very quiet since a £80MM bid was placed. Some rumours of a 2nd bid of £91MM + £10MM in add-ons have gone in, but the big dogs Orny & Romano haven't spoken about that. If the 91+10 is true, I hope that gets it over the line, as WHU have been stating they want 100.
 

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Re: Lavia - I’ve read around Liverpool sites that the buyback clause actually kicks in next summer for £40m. So Southampton have a lot to weigh up for any approach around that number since Lavia could be a key player for immediate promotion. In other words, I think you need to present Soton with a big number and a lot of the cash up front.

Ans then Lavia needs to be open to the move, not have his heart set on a return to City. It’s possible Arteta has a relationship here that he can leverage that, say, Klopp doesn’t.
 

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Latest (substantial) rumours from Romano:

- Havertz personal terms agreed, and a deal hope to be reached with Chelsea after the international break.

- Thomas Partey 'concrete chance' to be leaving this summer.

- Romeo Lavia is on the radar with 'strong interest'.

I still don't fully understand the Havertz interest, but the graph of his Leverkusen days above helps (thanks @Morgan's Magic Snowplow!). As a rotation option, I'm keen. Hefty price tag for a rotation, though.

I've seen tactics suggestions, including a 4-2-4, and a 3-2-4-1, all slotting him on the right side next to Ødegaard, having both of them start. Reckon it matches when Pep Guardiola would have KdB & Bernardo Silva next to each other. Of course, KdB doesn't have a 'weak' foot, & Silva's left foot creates a strong dichotomy. Ø's right foot isn't nearly as strong; would 2 left-footers next to each other matter any?

Partey news is interesting; there were rumours a couple of Italian teams interested. I think he would play very well in Italy, but Italian clubs are notoriously cheap, & we are horrendous at selling our players.

Romeo Lavia news is welcomed with open arms by me. I really like him as a 'budget-Caicedo' and think it would be good business if Caicedo goes for £100MM+ as rumoured. Even if Partey leaves, Jorginho would likely stay, & Lavia can provide good depth at the 6 assuming Rice could also slot there at times (if the plan is to move him up the pitch is accurate).

Edit: apparently Lavia's buy-back clause with Man City is only active until 2024. Not sure how it would all work, & maybe if Arsenal agree a deal with Southampton, the clause gets wiped-out if MC don't have right to first refusal?

Speaking of Rice, things have been very quiet since a £80MM bid was placed. Some rumours of a 2nd bid of £91MM + £10MM in add-ons have gone in, but the big dogs Orny & Romano haven't spoken about that. If the 91+10 is true, I hope that gets it over the line, as WHU have been stating they want 100.
From the West Ham side on Rice the word has been asking price is 120M but could come down if they get 90M or close to it in first two years. Arsenal by most accounts want to go full Pepe and pay little upfront and stretch it out over 5-6 years. Structure more than total will likely decide things
 

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I’ve got no sense of whether the payments on something like Rice are more customarily done over 1-2 years (as West Ham seems to be expecting) or 5-6 years (as I guess Arsenal has proposed) but one of the Arsenal podcasts that I listen to (by a guy who writes for football.london) thought that Arsenal looked stupid proposing that drawn-out of a schedule…so take that for what it’s worth. ‍
 

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I’ve got no sense of whether the payments on something like Rice are more customarily done over 1-2 years (as West Ham seems to be expecting) or 5-6 years (as I guess Arsenal has proposed) but one of the Arsenal podcasts that I listen to (by a guy who writes for football.london) thought that Arsenal looked stupid proposing that drawn-out of a schedule…so take that for what it’s worth. ‍
Usually payments are spread out over the length of the contract. So, if Rice signs a 5 year deal they’d usually amortize the payments over 5 years as well. West Ham is just playing hardball.
 

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Usually payments are spread out over the length of the contract. So, if Rice signs a 5 year deal they’d usually amortize the payments over 5 years as well. West Ham is just playing hardball.
Not really, some clubs will take the fee the whole length, but it's not that common, and usually the bulk of the money is in the first 2 years, 3 at most, this has a nice example in it of how a deal might be structured.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/what-really-goes-on-behind-the-scenes-of-a-big-football-transfer

I think you may be confusing it with how the account for it, which is different than when they pay. Some deals are 5 years (Pepe notoriously was very spread out, they still owe on him), but most are 2-3 years for everything except the add-ons.

Edit- my impression from both the overall # and the leaked structure is that Arsenal either have a cash flow problem or a FFP problem, and it's making it difficult for them to pay money in the 1st two years in a way West Ham would expect, plus they're trying to get a bargin on the overall fee given Chelsea and a few other clubs needing to re-set for FFP.
 

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Not really, some clubs will take the fee the whole length, but it's not that common, and usually the bulk of the money is in the first 2 years, 3 at most, this has a nice example in it of how a deal might be structured.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/what-really-goes-on-behind-the-scenes-of-a-big-football-transfer

I think you may be confusing it with how the account for it, which is different than when they pay. Some deals are 5 years (Pepe notoriously was very spread out, they still owe on him), but most are 2-3 years for everything except the add-ons.

Edit- my impression from both the overall # and the leaked structure is that Arsenal either have a cash flow problem or a FFP problem, and it's making it difficult for them to pay money in the 1st two years in a way West Ham would expect, plus they're trying to get a bargin on the overall fee given Chelsea and a few other clubs needing to re-set for FFP.
I stand corrected - I was confusing the amortization with the actual payments.

FFP problems? That seems … unlikely?

Mind you, £100m+ seems like a huge overpayment in the first place so maybe a bullet dodged?
 

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Agreement in place now for Kai Havertz.
View: https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1671484424137895941?s=46&t=xE9madbrJIPzH2H52ZJNjg


There's some gossip about Jurriën Timber too, which personally I would be over the moon. If it came to fruition, thinking he'd be part of a back-3 with Saliba & Gabriel Magalhães.

Ornstein via the Athletic has also thrown cold water on any potential Caicedo transfer, & warns that Roméo Lavia news has no developments & being closely followed by several other teams.

https://theathletic.com/4615857/2023/06/21/arsenal-transfers-usmnt-newcastle/?source=twitteruk

Lastly it seems the Declan Rice saga is just kicking further into gear...WHU waiting for Man City to come in with a bid, which may depend on Gündoğan's decision to stay or leave. Arsenal expected to bid a 3rd time.

Not to sure how credible Man City links are, but after the Mudryk situation last winter with Chelsea, I'll be nervous.
 

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Per Chris Wheatley's twitter feed, (1) Timber to Arsenal seems pretty darn likely, and (2) Gundogan to Barca will happen today. It's my own pessimism that thinks #2 might be what gets Man City involved in Rice, which is concerning not because Rice wants to go there (apparently he's committed to staying in London) but because Man City will drive the price up even further.
 

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I'm very excited about the Jerrian Timber news. He seems like a great fit as a RCB/RB hybrid who has some experience playing the inverted FB role similar to Zinchenko.

A defensive group of Saliba, Gabriel, White, Zinchenko, Timber, Kiwior, and Tomiyasu provides a ton of coverage and versatility. We may finally have a season where we don't have a defensive crisis at some point that cripples the ability of the team to play the way it wants. Now we just need to find buyers for Tierney (hopefully Newcastle, possibly Villa) and Holding (????).
 

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Not really, some clubs will take the fee the whole length, but it's not that common, and usually the bulk of the money is in the first 2 years, 3 at most, this has a nice example in it of how a deal might be structured.
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/what-really-goes-on-behind-the-scenes-of-a-big-football-transfer

I think you may be confusing it with how the account for it, which is different than when they pay. Some deals are 5 years (Pepe notoriously was very spread out, they still owe on him), but most are 2-3 years for everything except the add-ons.


Edit- my impression from both the overall # and the leaked structure is that Arsenal either have a cash flow problem or a FFP problem, and it's making it difficult for them to pay money in the 1st two years in a way West Ham would expect, plus they're trying to get a bargin on the overall fee given Chelsea and a few other clubs needing to re-set for FFP.
I'm not sure this is true, at least when it comes to big transfers. Other than state owned clubs, not a lot of teams have the cash on hand to just be cutting 40-50m checks to another club each summer. It was reported this past fall that Barcelona still owe money on the Coutinho transfer, nearly five years after it happened in January 2018, and also still owed a very big chunk of the fee for Frenkie De Jong, who had transferred in summer 2019. Man United were recently reported to have over £300m in transfer debt outstanding, which would be impossible if they were paying their transfers off in 2-3 years. The only way that would be possible is if they still owe money from transfers in 2019 (when they splurged big on Maguire, Wan Bissake, Bruno) or beforehand.

I agree that Pepe was probably the far end of the spectrum but I really doubt many clubs - especially ones not owned by states - have ever bought a 90m player and paid for him within two years. If West Ham can get that from a state owned club, then they might as well try. But if Arsenal end up offering to pay a huge fee over four years or something that seems like a standard fee structure for a normal club.
 
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I'm not sure this is true, at least when it comes to big transfers. Other than state owned clubs, not a lot of teams have the cash on hand to just be cutting 40-50m checks to another club each summer. It was reported this past fall that Barcelona still owe money on the Coutinho transfer, nearly five years after it happened in January 2018, and also still owed a very big chunk of the fee for Frenkie De Jong, who had transferred in summer 2019. Man United were recently reported to have over £300m in transfer debt outstanding, which would be impossible if they were paying their transfers off in 2-3 years.

I agree that Pepe was probably the far end of the spectrum but I really doubt many clubs - especially ones not owned by states - have ever bought a 90m player and paid for him within two years. If West Ham can get that from a state owned club, then they might as well try. But if Arsenal end up offering to pay a huge fee over four years or something that seems like a standard fee structure for a normal club.
I think it's somewhere in-between. Also obviously depends on league. In Italy, most of the teams never pay each other anything, it's all a shell game of debts and forgiveness and tax evasion. I think stretching is common, but the question is % and which are add-ons, etc. So with Coutinho, that one is a bit weird. A small amount (10%) is owed, BUT... Liverpool sold the debt years ago, so Barca actually owes a bank, who likely extended the deadline making it into a loan, because they'd rather have interest.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/philippe-coutinho-barcelona-truth-millions-25162568

As a West Ham example, most of their deals are 2-4 years, with the bulk coming first 2 years, I think that's pretty common. So say a 75 +15 bid like the ones Arsenal and CIty allegedly made.
I would expect most of the 75M to be due in the first 2 years, City would likely pay all 75, Arsenal I would expect something like 60 of the 75 in the first 2 years (likely in 3-4 installments) with the remainder stretched over 2 years, and the add-ons factoring in as they happened but in installments over the 2 years.
The rumor on the Arsenal bids has been that they are only very minor front-loading, so more of the money comes in years 3, 4, 5. Teams usually are only willing to accept this if:
1. They are small clubs
2. You overpay on total, since TVoM makes it more even.
 

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I think it's somewhere in-between. Also obviously depends on league. In Italy, most of the teams never pay each other anything, it's all a shell game of debts and forgiveness and tax evasion. I think stretching is common, but the question is % and which are add-ons, etc. So with Coutinho, that one is a bit weird. A small amount (10%) is owed, BUT... Liverpool sold the debt years ago, so Barca actually owes a bank, who likely extended the deadline making it into a loan, because they'd rather have interest.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/philippe-coutinho-barcelona-truth-millions-25162568

As a West Ham example, most of their deals are 2-4 years, with the bulk coming first 2 years, I think that's pretty common. So say a 75 +15 bid like the ones Arsenal and CIty allegedly made.
I would expect most of the 75M to be due in the first 2 years, City would likely pay all 75, Arsenal I would expect something like 60 of the 75 in the first 2 years (likely in 3-4 installments) with the remainder stretched over 2 years, and the add-ons factoring in as they happened but in installments over the 2 years.
The rumor on the Arsenal bids has been that they are only very minor front-loading, so more of the money comes in years 3, 4, 5. Teams usually are only willing to accept this if:
1. They are small clubs
2. You overpay on total, since TVoM makes it more even.
I don't know the details of the two Arsenal offers, I wouldn't be surprised if they lowballed initially with the idea of working their way up.

But overall I really don't see a world in which the vast majority of transfer fees are paid within two years is consistent with the numbers that big clubs actually seem to report in their financial statements for transfer debt. United reportedly had £307m pounds earlier this year, Spurs reportedly owed £252m pounds last time Swiss Ramble looked at their finances, etc. The only way you can get to those kinds of debt numbers is if most of their payments on big deals are structured over a significantly longer time horizon. If United, for example, paid off all their transfers half immediately and half the following summer then in January 2023 they would have owed about £105m (50% of their summer 2022 transfer expenditure) but instead they owed nearly three times that. Even if they were paying all their transfers in a 50% up front, 25% next year, 25% third year structure, they would have owed only like £135m. You only can get to the actual reported transfer debt numbers if those clubs doing a lot of 4-5 year payment structures where the fees are evenly distributed or similar. In the case of United, if hypothetically all their transfers were on a five year schedule with 20% paid immediately and 20% paid each of the next four summers you would end up with an estimated £308 current transfer debt using Transfermarkt's figures. Every deal will be different and United may lean more toward longer debt repayment schedules than some others.
 
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Jurriën Timber has apparently agreed personal terms with Arsenal through 2028, at around €150k per week.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/644518223/jurrien-timber-bereikt-akkoord-met-arsenal

Arsenal & Ajax still need to agree a fee, and Romano reports we have a 2nd bid in worth about €45-48MM.

View: https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1673249251722248192?s=46&t=vbV4y0qW-jtvC0qvYbrvlw


However, Mike Verweij who is apparently Tier 1 for Dutch/Ajax news is stated €55MM will be needed.

View: https://twitter.com/karthikadhaigal/status/1673343930023157761


Apparently also Timber only wants Arsenal, so hopefully we can agree a fee soon & incorporate him into the squad.
 

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I have no idea what to expect from this Rice situation. I can't blame West Ham for trying to maximize their fee but £100m+ honestly feels like too much. If that is really the price then I would be tempted to just turn to Caicedo if he is an option around 75-80m or Lavia around 40m. I like Rice a lot but he isn't some kind of generational player, like the Mbappe of defensive midfielders.

My guess is that City feel roughly the same way - interested enough to throw their hat in the ring, but not likely to engage in some kind of crazy bidding war for a player that doesn't have a natural fit in their side anyway with Rodri only 27 and arguably the best DM in football right now. They are usually pretty disciplined about sticking to valuations and not overpaying, even if it means losing out on a player to another team in the league (ie, Cucurella, Maguire, Fred).
 

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Everything seems to be trending toward Arsenal and West Ham striking a deal for Rice in the next day or two. Havertz is done, as his media stuff has leaked. We are supposedly deep in negotiations over Timber.

So...210m on three players before July? Is this Arsenal we're talking about?
 

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Good news. The fact that both MLS & Nwaneri turned down larger sums to stay means a lot. The club is really trying to rebuild the culture. I was excited for Nwaneri's cameo last season, & hope both of them can continue to build.

In other news, it seems Ajax have verbally agreed a fee with Arsenal for Jurriën Timber to the tune of €42MM + €5MM in add-ons (£40.5MM all-in).

View: https://twitter.com/mikeverweij/status/1674461698705567758


...and Romano is reporting it closer too: View: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1674458258227048459


If true, it brings the total spend to £210.5MM already and we aren't even in July. It's hard to believe that this is Arsenal we are talking about being so aggressive early in the transfer window.

Rumours still persist of Roméo Lavia, but I reckon the likes of Xhaka (essentially already gone) + potential Partey move would have to surface first to fund any Lavia (or anyone else) transfer.
 

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Just to add a little bit regarding MLS & Nwaneri, they have been seen in training today wearing numbers 59 & 63 respectively, which suggests they plan to be registered for cup games.
 
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What do youze think of Havertz? My first reaction is, really?
It's not what we think mate, it's what Arteta thinks and he really likes Havertz.

I'm in the 'really 60+Ms for Havertz?' camp. But i'm intrigued to see if Arteta can get a tune out of him.
 

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Well, Chelsea has a history of not getting the best out of some players. Maybe Havertz is another De Bruyne or Salah.