ALCS game thread- TOR VS KC

Who do you want to win?


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scottyno

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
 
Because anyone who loves baseball knows that having the tying run at third with no outs and not getting it home is a horrific fail.  The wasn't the doing of the ump - that was the combination of a great pitcher and hitters who couldn't get the ball to the outfield.    And to your point, all evidence points to Davis getting Revere even if that was called a ball.  They could have called Navarro's pitch a ball and he likely still would have fanned.   The better team won. 
It's a lot harder to make contact and get a ball to the outfield when the ump forces you to swing at pitches a foot outside
 

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Because you weren't "bummed out." You built a soapbox to rail a single pitch call that you said may have affected the entire game. 
 
And I'll be a prick if I want to be.
Fair enough. I will too

The ump thing does get me fired up...wish it was more meritocratic (is that a word?) and that technology was leveraged more effectively
 

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When the situation is only a failure if you strike out and the ump makes it so you have to swing at everything, then yes, those two terrible calls had an enormous impact in the result of the game.
 

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Max Power said:
When the situation is only a failure if you strike out and the ump makes it so you have to swing at everything, then yes, those two terrible calls had an enormous impact in the result of the game.
 
Do me a favor: Go back and see the chart for every at-bat during the game where the umpire made a poor strike-ball call. Then note the runners on base and the outs, and the count and calculated the probability that each and every one of those poor calls could have led to a different outcome in the game and report back.
 

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mikeford said:
what an awful world series.
 
Why? A great young pitching staff vs the team with the best record in the American League.
 
Sounds decent to me
 

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Haha - If either Boston or MFY had left the tying run at 3rd with no outs more than tears would be flowing. Heads would be rolling.  I'm glad I could watch somebody do that without having any skin in the game. So now does Gibbons keep his job?
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
Do me a favor: Go back and see the chart for every at-bat during the game where the umpire made a poor strike-ball call. Then note the runners on base and the outs, and the count and calculated the probability that each and every one of those poor calls could have led to a different outcome in the game and report back.
You have to admit...

1) it was among the more egregious miscalls you would see in any game (ie, it wasn't even close)

2) the odds of a call that bad with a runner on third and less than two outs is pretty damn small
 

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I thought it was a huge missed call by the ump. Yeah, the Royals were better and Davis is great but we seriously need robot umps. Those calls in the 9th were brutal just because it takes so much away from the game itself. It obviously changed both at bats and that's not what you want when you've just had 3 hours of great baseball in an elimination game.
 

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strek1 said:
Haha - If either Boston or MFY had left the tying run at 3rd with no outs more than tears would be flowing. Heads would be rolling.  I'm glad I could watch somebody do that without having any skin in the game. So now does Gibbons keep his job?
 
Why would Gibbons lose his job?  His team just had their best season in 22 years.
 

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twibnotes said:
You have to admit...

1) it was among the more egregious miscalls you would see in any game (ie, it wasn't even close)

2) the odds of a call that bad with a runner on third and less than two outs is pretty damn small
 
1) Nope. It just seems that way because it was the ninth inning ... and the team you favored didn't win.
2) How exactly are you calculating these "odds"?
 
And with that, I'm done on the topic
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
Why? A great young pitching staff vs the team with the best record in the American League.
 
Sounds decent to me
 
 
Mets own the first half of games with their starters and scoring in the early innings while the Royals are excellent in late innings and the Mets have a weak pen. These games should be action packed
 
 
 
And who could forget that the 2 teams that seemed like they traded half of their rosters to each other in the 80s/90s, including major stars like Cone,Saberhagen, Coleman

They've traded so much, even Jose Bautista was involved in one of them

  http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/trade-partners.cgi?franch_ID_1=NYM&franch_ID_2=KCR

The battle of the 1985 and 1986 Champions.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
1) Nope. It just seems that way because it was the ninth inning ... and the team you favored didn't win.
2) How exactly are you calculating these "odds"?
 
And with that, I'm done on the topic
The MLB app showed the pitch as being much further away than a typical miscall.

So my basic premise is that there are a small number of calls so egregiously bad...odds that another one occurred with a guy on 3rd and less than two outs are pretty damn small.

And by the way, I had no rooting interest
 

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shawnrbu said:
 
Why would Gibbons lose his job?  His team just had their best season in 22 years.
They did but with the talent he's had before this year they have been underachieving. I had heard it might be a Mattingly  like "World Series or bust" proposition.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
1) Nope. It just seems that way because it was the ninth inning ... and the team you favored didn't win.
2) How exactly are you calculating these "odds"?
 
And with that, I'm done on the topic
1) Yes on the 9th. No on team favored. As a neutral, that just sucked. As did the Navarro call.
 

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How can they not have Erin in there getting wet?
 It's probably in her contract. She's not an up and comer anymore. They are afraid to put her in a sexual harrassment situation.  :lol:
 

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twibnotes said:
You have to admit...

1) it was among the more egregious miscalls you would see in any game (ie, it wasn't even close)

2) the odds of a call that bad with a runner on third and less than two outs is pretty damn small
 
Look, I get that you need heros and goats and that is one way of watching sports.  On the other hand, the Royals scored the go ahead run the inning before via smart base-running and timely hitting against a tough reliever.  Some of us come from the school of thought that it takes nine (or seven for youth level ball) innings to win a ballgame and that a run scored or prevented early is as important as one scored late.  There were runs allowed and prevented in this game that meant as much, or more than, that single pitch call.  There were shitty Toronto ABs against Ventura early too.  Also, as E5 says, if we went back throughout the game, its likely that the ump made just as poor calls then and perhaps on KC just as much if not more than Toronto.
 
I know it doesn't compare to MLB and the stakes of this game but I help coach a (winning just in case you care) a high school travel team and after a game like that we would absolutely tell our guys that while that pitch call was bad, the loss was on us because we couldn't get a run home from third with nobody out.  Shitty umpiring is a given but not executing in at-bats early or late in the game is going to cost you against good teams.
 
KC was the better team and they deserved to win.  The umpiring was not the difference here - talent and execution was the difference.
 

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Looking at an absolutely fucking insane Jays fan. Moron. Killing me with his insanity. Genuinely wondering if this guy is clinically insane.
 

 
Goes to show that MLB, the NBA, and NHL don't want any team coming from Canada to make the playoffs, unless it's to be the prison bitch of the U.S. franchises.
 

To the fans of the Mets and Royals, you can take all the MLB trophies and shove them up all your asses.

Nice to know that the changes the 3 leagues above made to keep the Canadian teams getting weak, stupid players pays off for the corporate profits of the U.S. franchises, and leaving teams like the Jays, and Toronto's sports bars, in financial debt.

To me, the 2015 MLB season is over, with the Commissioner's Trophy vacated.

> = (

FOX didn't like having the maple leaf, in the Jays logo, on their network, and yapped to the Royals and officiating crew to screw Toronto over, like Vince McMahon raped Bret Hart in the Montreal Screwjob from 1997's WWF.
 
Maybe Canada's franchises should start acting like heels and injuring the players on U.S. teams, just for wearing jerseys of those teams, to win titles from now on.

I want Canada's 2-decade long+ pro sports title drought in the NHL, NBA, and MLB to end, no matter nothing, and to me, if it means using the tactics of 'beatin' and cheatin', so be it.
 

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Looking at an absolutely fucking insane Jays fan. Moron. Killing me with his insanity. Genuinely wondering if this guy is clinically insane.
 
 
Oy
 

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The Blue Jays went 0-for-12 with runners in scoring position in Game 6.
 

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If you can't score the tying run with a man on 3rd and no outs, you don't deserve to go to the World Series.

I was "watching" B8 and T9 of the Blue Jays game on the big screen in the arena bar through the widows from the bench during my hockey game. Can you get more Canadian than that?
 

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twibnotes said:
All you guys poo pooing that ump gaffe would be going nuts if the sox were in the jays' shoes. It was a bullshit call that may have changed the outcome of the game - how does that not bother you if you love baseball?
I was rooting for the Royals and it bothered me, fwiw.
 

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Those strike calls were brutal, my god. If they were going to fail to get the guy in, fine, but it should be without the umpire shitting himself in the most important moment of the season. Vote Robots.

If that were a Red Sox game I would be nuts until spring.
 

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The umpire blew it. The jays blew it. Both blew it at different times in that inning, it is not one vs the other. Now bring on the world series.

Hopefully with robot umpires. What's Bender up to?
 

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Who's got a GIF of Toronto first base coach, Tim Leiper, chirping at Ventura on his way off the field and then into the dugout?
Have never seen that.
 
0-12 risp for Toronto.
Goins taking a strike before trying to get the bunt down.
0-5 Donalsdon and 0-4 TuLo
And my favorite, Bautista throwing to second!
 

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E5 Yaz said:
 
There's a great section in this story about the KC third base coach having prepped the team to be on the lookout for just this exact situation
 
http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/10/24/royals-blue-jays-alcs-clinch-pennant
 
Reading it makes you think about a certain hoodied NFL coach's level of prep
That was a great read. Thank you for the link. 
KC had the 2nd most outs at home this year, after Detroit.  They have great baserunners and are very aggressive.  When they played us in Boston this year JBJ threw someone out at home and in the same inning, I remember Jirshele running on him again.  And the throw was off the line and the runner scored easily.  They say don't run on Bautista but I say Oh, yes you do.  Based on the circumstances and the right opportunity availed itself last night.  Goins set up exactly where he needed to, as the cutoff to home.  Cain ran hard all the way.  I was amazed that he was going but he was sent when Jirschele saw Bautista release the ball.  And Tulo's throw was up the line.  Brilliant!
 

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BestGameEvah said:
And Tulo's throw was up the line.  Brilliant!
And it bounced about four times. Tulo either was so completely shocked that Cain was running that his mind caused an arm cramp or he just had a bad grip on the ball. He's generally the best SS nowadays at throwing from any body position.
 

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E5 Yaz said:
The Blue Jays went 0-for-12 with runners in scoring position in Game 6.
Elias:
 
"Blue Jays batters went 0-for-12 in those at-bats, tying the major-league record for the largest 0-for with runners in scoring position in a postseason game in which a team was eliminated."
 
Also, this may be slicing things a bit too thin, but ....
 
"It marked the first time in postseason history that a team had been eliminated by losing a game by a one-run margin after putting the potential tying run on third base with none out in the final inning."