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It’s likely two-fold:

-Their first three matches were WC, @Freo, @Hawthorn in Tazzy. Those aren’t exactly matches that light the world on fire.
-A win in Launceston gives them more wins than they had in all of 2022. After they were the wooden spoon in 2021 with 4 wins.
 

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I totally get it. Rooting for North is like rooting for Reading (which hasn't been a ton of fun over the last few years.) But I'm excited about the coach, if he can get the team playing his style and they draft well (because no top free agents go to North when they have other options) we might make a run for the top 8 in a couple of seasons.

Oh and it was Jim and Phil Krakouer who got me into rooting for North back in the early 80s. Here's a quick highlight reel. Those guys were great and the team was dynamic if not championship worthy. Youtube Highlights of the Krakouer brothers
 

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Oh, I get it. LDU looks exciting alongside Sheezel, and Clarko should be able to shape them into a good side going forward. I'd just preach patience. A little.

And it could always be worse. You could have barracked the Saints.
 

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Okay, I need to go into way more detail.

So, after South Melbourne moved to Sydney in 1982, the VFL (remember, this used to be a league exclusively made of teams in the state of Victoria once upon a time) started to believe interstate expansion was going to be the key to securing the financial future for their member clubs. One forensic audit from the early 80s had the vast majority of teams as technically insolvent. After moving into NSW with the Swans, the VFL decided to offer a license to clubs in Queensland (as much a rugby league centre as NSW, but with a decent little state footy league) and WA (very pro footy, and a strong state league in the WAFL to boot). After some debate about sending an established but financially troubled Victorian club to Queensland (there were rumours even at this stage that Fitzroy should go to Brisbane), a lucrative joint bid from actor Paul Cronin and venture capitalist Christopher Skase secured a straight expansion to Brisbane as the Bears, while WA would see its expansion club set up in Perth as the West Coast Eagles. After a couple of seasons without teams teetering on financial collapse (but many clubs still in trouble), the VFL entered its final phase in 1989, seeking expansion to SA. The problem is, SA was also a strong state for the sport, and its state league, the SANFL, wanted more lucrative terms before it came to the VFL table. The VFL responded by talking to clubs directly, in particular the two most successful clubs in the SANFL: the Norwood Redlegs and Port Adelaide Magpies. Nothing really moved until 1990, when the VFL signalled their national ambition by renaming itself the AFL. The SANFL still wanted something better financially, so they didn't bite. Then Port Adelaide did. And I'm not exaggerating when I say the SANFL lost its collective mind. The other nine SANFL clubs sued, then organized a separate bid to field a composite team in the 1991 season, which the AFL, eager to get clear of the mess in the SANFL house, accepted, creating the Adelaide Crows.

Port, however, never lost its ambition. The Eagles and Crows were among the healthier clubs, and with some Victorian clubs plus Brisbane still struggling financially in the 1990s, the AFL sought to double up with second teams in WA and SA. Understanding that it might be a bit too much too fast, though, the AFL notified the Magpies of the good news/bad news: they're getting SA's second license, but it won't come until they can merge two existing clubs to create an opening (funny that Fremantle had no such condition in 1995, but my theory is the league knew Fitzroy was on last legs and didn't want a club coming in with that shadow hanging around). Once Fitzroy merged with the Brisbane Bears after the 1996 season, Port got the green light.

As far as the jumpers they wore tonight goes, well, when they entered the AFL in 1997, there was already a team of Magpies, so Port Adelaide, despite a foundation date more than two decades before Collingwood's, gave up their nickname and became the Power. In addition, Collingwood successfully kept the Power from wearing the Prison Bars except for some heritage rounds. These days, though, those don't exist, and Port had petitioned to be allowed to wear them for one Showdown per year. Only this year did Collingwood relent. Port hopes this is the way business goes every year, but who knows.
 

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That's fascinating, I didn't know any of that.

I'm just talking about this (old vs new):
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Separately, it's a travesty that we still don't have the Brisbane Bears. A billion times better than the Lions.

 

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An Aussie shitposter did some actual video essay work on the Bears, up to their merger with Fitzroy.
I watched this and learned quite a lot. I knew the Lions and Bears had merged to become the Brisbane Lions; I didn't realize the Lions were a Melbourne team basically being relocated, along with its 100+ year history, to Brisbane. That's a shame.

I was also surprised how much people get hung up on "koalas aren't technically bears." I guess "koala bear" isn't a thing in Australia.
 

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Round 3 Report

Western Bulldogs 10.7 (67)
Brisbane Lions 7.11 (53)

This was a bit of a "show me" match in a lot of different ways. Brisbane has basically had 3 good quarters to them in their first two matches, and sure do look like a paper tiger after everyone and their mother drooled over their list in the offseason. To date, Chris Fagan hasn't been able to translate that talented list into top form, and now they're in the bottom 6 with a massive match coming up at the Gabba against Collingwood. For the Bulldogs, they looked bad in their first two matches against Melbourne and St. Kilda, but got a big day from a couple of their big players to keep them off the bottom of the ladder. Sadly, the man that had to have a giant day was Jamarra Ugle Hagan, who dealt with some racial abuse in the match vs. the Saints, and responded with a five goal barrage and a celebration that pointed to his bare skin, evoking a similar moment from Nicky Winmar 30 years ago. 6 Dogs had at least 25 disposals, while Wil Ashcroft had a relatively tame match wtih 23 and 2 tackles.

Collingwood 8.15 (63)
Richmond 7.7 (49)

Hard to gather much out of a sloppy, rainy MCG. Collingwood have obviously emerged as favourites behind Nick Daicos' 33 disposals (big brother Josh was pretty good too, with 28 and a goal), and Richmond were without their talisman mid Dusty Martin. As I mentioned earlier, Collingwood have a big test this round, and a win at the Gabba should see the Pies installed as Premier favourites.

Hawthorn 11.14 (80)
North Melbourne 9.7 (61)

A trip to Tasmania + a young list + a Hawthorn side many have already surrendered to their wooden spoon fate = this. Don't get me wrong, Hawthorn are still bad, and no one knows what will happen once the AFL gets the Hawks' investigation report, but having a second home in Launceston may actually help make this team able to punch over its light weight from time to time. Harry Sheezel was still the engine in the back for the Roos, but no Luke Davies Uniacke, as it turns out, made this a bit too much for the youngsters.

GWS 9.10 (64)
Carlton 9.20 (74)

Carlton are damn lucky it was the Giants and not a better side they were going against. Ten more scoring plays but the same number of goals between the sides. Patrick Cripps and Sam Docherty were monsters for the Blues (42! and 39! disposals), but Charlie Curnow misfired a bit (2.3) and only Jesse Motlop and Matthew Owies managed multiple goals for the Blues. On the other side, Tom Green was his usual efficient self (34 disposals, 4 tackles), but Toby Greene was largely absent (just one goal on the day), and the Giants outside of Green/Greene/Coniglio aren't good enough to overcome one of them having a bad day.

St. Kilda 14.8 (92)
Essendon 11.8 (74)

The Saints turned 150 in style, with two different five goal runs powering them to a big win over Essendon. Dan Butler and Jack Higgins kicked four each for the Saints, while only Archie Perkins, Jye Caldwell, and Dylan Shiel provided multiple majors for the Bombers. Both teams have had bright starts to 2023, but the Saints are now top of the ladder with the win.

Port Adelaide 13.8 (86)
Adelaide 18.9 (117)

Welcome home, Izak Rankine!

A close match going into the last term was blown open with a 7.1 fourth for the Crows, keyed by Rankine (four on the night) and Riley Thilthorpe (five on the night), and the Crows took advantage of a Port side that is looking much more mediocre than their first match vs. Brisbane would have us believe. The best part for Adelaide may be that this happened without Shane McAdam (suspension), Patrick Parnell (concussion), and Darcy Fogarty (leg). They're still a couple weeks away from playing outside Adelaide, so here's hoping they can keep Freo down.

Gold Coast 10.13 (73)
Geelong 7.12 (54)

Okay, Cats, we need to talk.

The team was built on its firepower, even if it was in its last days. Danger. Hawkins. Cameron. And while Jeremy continues to do the work (3.3), Dangerfield (1.0) and Hawkins (0.1) aren't, and that is a big problem. To be fair, it's not like the Suns boast many dangerous players, but when one of them puts up a day like Jack Lukosius (5.2), they don't need to be outstanding, just good enough to take advantage of their opportunities. And suddenly, the reigning Premiers are holding up the ladder.

Melbourne 21.8 (134)
Sydney 12.12 (84)

So, Brodie Grundy's gonna be okay without Max Gawn, turns out.

Grundy had 25 hitouts to keep the Dees dominant in the ruck, and hat tricks from Kade Chandler, Jacob van Rooyen, and Bayley Fritsch fired Melbourne to a comfortable, high paced win at the G. Buddy came back from his one match ban and did Buddy things (2.2), but the Swans were a clear second best on the day, derailing their perfect season.

Fremantle 16.12 (108)
West Coast 9.13 (67)

This is more like what the world expected of the two WA teams. Michael Walters' 4.1 paced a Dockers attack that had four other players with multiple goals, while only Oscar Allen (3.3) and Jack Darling (3.2) could say the same for the Eagles. In something of a familiar song for the Eagles, the second half was marred by injuries, as Freo were able to use their interchange bench much more freely (at one point in the fourth, the interchange count in the second half was 37 to 16).

So here's the ladder after Round 3:

St. Kilda 3 0 0 12 150.3
Collingwood 3 0 0 12 149.5
Carlton 2 1 0 10 108.8
Melbourne 2 0 1 8 136.8
Sydney 2 0 1 8 134.5
Essendon 2 0 1 8 129.1
North Melbourne 2 0 1 8 94.4
Richmond 1 1 1 6 109.1
Fremantle 1 0 2 4 112.1
Greater Western Sydney 1 0 2 4 95.1
Adelaide 1 0 2 4 94.3
West Coast 1 0 2 4 90.2
Port Adelaide 1 0 2 4 85.2
Brisbane 1 0 2 4 79.3
Gold Coast 1 0 2 4 78.7
Western Bulldogs 1 0 2 4 66.5
Hawthorn 1 0 2 4 60.1
Geelong 0 0 3 0 83.0
 

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And now Carlton on Friday well it was a fun little start to the season anyway. Time for Clarko to start earning that pay packet and see if he can use the loss to Hawthorn as a reality check to the young Roos. Just want to see progress over the course of the season and for the youngsters to stay healthy and play the majority of the rounds.
 

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Yes, one of the matches is done already. I’m not spoilering the score here.

Thursday, April 6

Brisbane vs. Collingwood, Gabba, 5:35 ET

Friday, April 7

North Melbourne vs. Carlton, Marvel Stadium, 2:20 ET

Saturday, April 8

Adelaide vs. Fremantle, Adelaide Oval, 4/7 11:45 PM ET
Richmond vs. Western Bulldogs, MCG, 2:35 ET
St. Kilda vs. Gold Coast, Marvel, 5:30 ET
Sydney vs. Port Adelaide, SCG, 5:30 ET

Easter Sunday, April 9

Essendon vs. GWS, Marvel, 12:10 ET
West Coast vs. Melbourne, Optus, 3:20 ET

Easter Monday, April 10
Geelong vs. Hawthorn, MCG, 1:20 ET
 

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US TV schedule is a bit limited this week, but does include the Easter Monday match. The Thursday match did air on FS2 though.


Saturday - Sydney vs Port Adelaide - 5:30am EDT - FS1
Monday - Geelong vs Hawthorn - 1:00am EDT - FS2
 

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I just need to point out this Bombers-Giants first half was an ugly display of footy. Essendon’s 3.13 (31), and the only reason it’s not a blowout is because GWS couldn’t kick straight for a mark to save their lives.
 

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I’m just going to put up scores for Round 4. It’s just a little too tough to keep up with these matches to do up recaps.

Brisbane 18.8 (116)
Collingwood 11.17 (83)

North Melbourne 11.18 (84)
Carlton 16.11 (107)

Adelaide 17.9 (111)
Fremantle 10.12 (72)

Richmond 12.12 (84)
Western Bulldogs 12.17 (89)

St. Kilda 17.11 (113)
Gold Coast 8.12 (60)

Sydney 9.10 (64)
Port Adelaide 9.12 (66)

Essendon 11.22 (88)
Greater Western Sydney 11.9 (75)

West Coast 9.9 (63)
Melbourne 19.12 (126)

Geelong 19.13 (127)
Hawthorn 6.9 (45)

I will point out that Geelong were losing at half-time, but had a monster 3rd quarter where they rolled the Hawks 10.5 (65) to no score.
 

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The ending of the Sydney-Port game was wild. After a game that featured huge swings in momentum, Port got the go-ahead points with about 2.5 minutes left, only to have Sydney take a mark inside the 50 with 30 seconds left. So they had a set shot to win as time expired and the kick came up just short of the goal line, caught by a Port player. There was a moment in the chaos when both teams thought they'd won.
 

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Yeah. Adelaide lost their opening match in similar fashion last year vs Freo. Adelaide’s kick was during open play though.

Anyway, welcome to Round 5, Gather Round. All 9 matches will be played in Adelaide!

Thursday, April 13

Adelaide vs. Carlton, Adelaide Oval, 5:40 am ET

Friday, April 14

Fremantle vs. Gold Coast, Norwood Oval, 3:10 am ET
Richmond vs. Sydney, Adelaide Oval, 6:10 am ET

Saturday, April 15

Brisbane vs. North Melbourne, Summit Sports Park at Adelaide Hills, 4/14 11:10 pm ET
Essendon vs. Melbourne, Adelaide Oval, 2:10 am ET
Port Adelaide vs. Western Bulldogs, Adelaide Oval, 5:50 am ET

Sunday, April 16

Geelong vs. West Coast, Adelaide Oval, 4/15 11:10 pm ET
Greater Western Sydney vs. Hawthorn, Norwood Oval, 1:20 am ET
Collingwood vs. St. Kilda, Adelaide Oval, 2:50 am ET
 

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US broadcasts, all on FS2 this week. Seems like FS1 is going all USFL, all the time, so no time for even one game of live footy.

Friday
Richmond vs Sydney - 5:55am - FS2

Saturday
Port Adelaide vs Western Bulldogs - 5:30am - FS2

Sunday
Greater Western Sydney vs Hawthorn - 1:00am - FS2
 

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Adelaide 18.10 (118)
Carlton 9.8 (62)

Right off the opening centre bounce, the Crows stamped their authority on this one. In the middle terms, this was a relatively even match (5.4 to 5.6), but when you start 8.3 in the first 20 to 2.1 and finish 5.3 to 2.1 in the fourth, that’s good enough. As has been typical, it’s not been one Crow dominating the scoresheet: Ben Keays was 3.0, Tex 3.3, but Darcy Fogarty returned from a knee injury to contribute 5.3. Distribution, however, came down to two typically key players. Rory Laird had 30 disposals at 3-quarter time (37 on the night), and captain Jordan Dawson chipped in 32 with 9 tackles. The Blues didn’t have too much to be proud of, with Patrick Cripps in particular being very quiet (19 disposals, but 10 tackles).

Fun fact: Carlton have never won at the Adelaide Oval; all of their wins in Adelaide came at the AAMI.
 
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More Gather around minutiae:
-SA Premier Peter Malinauskas has been on record for making this a more state-wide event, with the only reason there was no match in the Borassa valley being there wasn’t an AFL-level oval there. He engaged in some banter with league CEO Gillon McLachlan about making SA the permanent home of the event, and McLachlan almost took the bait before walking it back. SA does win by the fact that it’s central to both the Victorian clubs and the WA pair (the four in the northeast can suck it up, I guess), it’s about as footy-loving as Victoria, and wouldn’t be either spread out in a huge state/confined to one city (WA) or on the wrong side of the Barassi line (NSW).
-all 9 matches sold out. The laggard? Richmond Sydney at the Oval last night.
 

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Fremantle 15.10 (100)
Gold Coast 13.12 (90)

The Suns were a lot of people’s dark horse side going into the season. While they’ve never made it to a Finals, they were as close as they’ve ever been last season, and a lot of people thought this year’s team might finally open their September footy account.

Yeah, no.

Gold Coast controlled the majority of the match, leading by 23 at half-time (9.7 to 6.2), but in the middle of the 3rd, Freo turned on the jets and left the Suns behind. Caleb Serong led the match with 37 disposals, while Michael Walters was the leader of a trio of Freo players with at least 3 goals. Noah Anderson was one of the few Suns worth Brownlow votes (25 disposals, 2.1 scoring), and now they’re second from bottom.

Richmond 11.12 (78)
Sydney 18.14 (122)

On one hand, Sydney’s form is kinda uneven. They were thrashed two weeks ago by the Dees, gave Port a lifeline when their kick at the siren was touched to prevent the win, then tonight. Only Nick Blakey made it to 30 disposals, but Tom Papley had a monster 6.2 night.

Richmond, on the other hand, may be trash. Their lone win was in Adelaide against a Crows side still finding its way, and in the other four matches, they haven’t been all that close to scoring 100. In fact, only that Adelaide likely ran themselves into the ground to make that comeback did they have the late 4th quarter burst to get the ton. On this night, they distributed (3 with 30+ disposals) but no one could score (Jack Riewoldt had 4 goals, Noah Cumberland 2. No one else had multiples). Oh well, there’s next week…against Melbourne…
 

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In some ways, today's match felt similar for Sydney to last week's against Port. Sydney never trailed, but they would dominate for a stretch, then let Richmond get back in it and make it close, then pull away a bit, then let them back. The only difference this week was Sydney put the hammer down in the fourth term and ran away with it. Maybe something finally clicked for them, or maybe like you say, Richmond is just not that good.
 

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Brisbane 22.20 (152)
North Melbourne 12.5 (77)

This was dead level at quarter time, both sides scoring 5.1. After that, though, Brizzy just wouldn’t let the Roos get going at all. The play that probably best demonstrates the day is Bailey Scott kicking short, too short for the mark, calling for the handball right away, and said handball going directly to Jarrod Berry for about as easy a goal as you’ll ever see.

Essendon 15.14 (104)
Melbourne 11.11 (77)

First off, Essendon’s own club rules lead to some dumb jumpers. The colours for these two teams are close enough that someone has to wear their clash strip, so the Dons did. That jumper? Red with a red sash, because the Bombers jumper must always have a red sash.

Anyway, the first rainy match (the problem with all 9 matches being that close together). Kozzy Pickett scored about midway through the second to put the Dees up 9. Their next goal came at the start of the fourth, and the Dees didn’t get much more until the Dons were up by 7 goals with 10 to play. Sam Draper was a mulleted menace, with 3 goals and 18 hit outs, in a match where the goals were pretty well shared by everyone (8 players with multiples, 5 on the Bombers). Meanwhile, a Demons side without Max Gawn for another month lost Charlie Spargo late in the second quarter.

Port Adelaide 10.10 (70)
Western Bulldogs 8.8 (56)

This one was a slugfest. Only three players scored multiple goals (Cody Weightman was 4.2 for the Dogs, and Todd Marshall 2.1 with Darcy Byrne-Jones 2.0 for Port), and the rain probably didn’t help two of the…how do I put this…lesser teams in front of goal. However, after getting up by 10 early in the fourth, the Dogs just…stopped. They have one match out of five over 70 points, so I sense problems there.
 

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A touch late, but let’s wrap up Gather Round:

Geelong 21.10 (136)
West Coast 13.11 (89)

Well, we knew Jeremy Cameron was the biggest reason the Cats made it across the finish line last week against the Hawks. For this match, at least, he had some scoring help. Tom Hawkins woke from his four-week nap to kickstart the Cats, as three of his four goals came at the beginning of a run where Geelong scored 17 of 19 goals in a span of an hour plus, starting in the first and finally ending in the middle of the third. Make no mistake, Cameron helped (4.1 on the day, same as Hawkins), but Tom’s early exploits got them pointed the right way. That said, I think there’s still cause for concern at Kardinia. West Coast responded with five quick goals midway through the third to keep the margin from looking like Hawthorn’s last week, and Danger is still just okay (2 behinds very early, 23 disposals, 3 tackles). The unsung hero for the Cats, though, might be Mark Blicavs, who had 17 disposals and did a good job filling in as the ruck when Rhys Stanley came out with a knock.

Jake Waterman and Oscar Allen chipped in 4.1 (popular score line in this match) for the Eagles, but boy oh boy do they look hapless.

Greater Western Sydney 10.17 (77)
Hawthorn 11.9 (75)

All you really need to know about this one at Norwood is Harry Himmelberg. At one end, he takes a hanger in a pack to give the Giants a 3 point lead in the last two minutes. Then, with less than a minute left, Jarman Impey launched a shot from 50 meters out that Himmelberg just got his fingertips on, turning a sure goal into a touched behind. Neither side will be very good (GWS will be buoyed a touch by their big 3 of Coniglio, Green and Greene), but it made for a fun, tight match. One Hawk that seemed to always be in the middle of it was Jai Newcombe, with 31 disposals, 6 marks, and 5 tackles.

Collingwood 10.10 (70)
St. Kilda 9.10 (64)

Nothing lasts forever.

Despite a late three-goal charge to draw the Saints within a goal with just under a minute remaining, the Pies did just enough to pull out the win. Nick Daicos is simply a monster (42 disposals on the night), and Bobby Hill bagged 3 goals to lift the Pies, while ex-Crow and Malcolm Blight medalist Brad Crouch got 2 with his 33 disposals for the Saints. But there was some significant ugly, too.

Late in the fourth term, the Saints’ Anthony (no relation to the late Ken) Caminiti was in a grapple with Pies defender Nathan Murphy when he put his forearm through Murphy’s skull. Murphy haas already been ruled out for Collingwood’s ANZAC Day match with a concussion, and Caminiti’s case was referred directly to the Tribunal. At the Tribunal, Caminiti argued that the MRO assessment of the contact as intentional and off-the-ball was wrong, as he was simply looking to make space in anticipation of a kick heading their way, which the Tribunal agreed with. With the change in assessment, Caminiti will miss the next three matches.
 

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I just found this thread. I have a WC Eagles ball somewhere in a closet that I got at the game my uncle took me to in 1989.

Many thanks to all you folks keeping track of this sport, I’ll be following.
 

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Welcome aboard, but the poor Eagles this year…

Round 6 fixtures:

Friday, April 21
Fremantle vs. Western Bulldogs at Optus Stadium, 6:10 am ET

Saturday, April 22
Port Adelaide vs. West Coast at Adelaide Oval, 4/21 11:45 pm ET
Greater Western Sydney vs. Brisbane at Manuka Oval (Canberra), 2:35 am ET
Geelong vs. Sydney at GMHBA Stadium, 5:25 am ET (TSN2 - Tape delay at 1:00 pm ET)

Sunday, April 23
Hawthorn vs. Adelaide at University of Tasmania Stadium (Launceston), 4/22 11:10 pm ET
Carlton vs. St. Kilda at Marvel Stadium, 1:20 am ET
Gold Coast vs. North Melbourne at Heritage Bank Stadium, 2:40 am ET

Monday, April 24
Melbourne vs. Richmond at MCG, 5:25 am ET

Tuesday, April 25 (ANZAC Day)
Collingwood vs. Essendon at MCG, 1:20 am ET (TSN5 live)
 

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US live broadcast schedule:

Friday:
Freemantle vs Western Bulldogs - 6:00am - FS2
Saturday:
Geelong vs Sydney - 5:00am - FS1
Sunday:
Carlton vs St. Kilda - 1:00am - FS2
 

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Fremantle 10.9 (69)
Western Bulldogs 17.16 (118)

Freo showed more fight going after Rory Lobb before the bounce than they did between it and the final siren. This was the first time this season that the Doggies got over 100 points, and they did it running away. I think they have some good players (Bontempelli and his 2.0/31 disposals/10 tackles springs straight to the top), but they needed Carlton gagging straight to the end of last season to make the Finals, and don’t look in great shape. OTOH, Freo lost only Lobb really, and the other half of Carlton’s choke job (only Collingwood’s penchant for insane close wins kept Freo from a Qualifying Final) may be playing their way into a bottom-6 season. Their two wins are against the corpse of their derby rival and a Gold Coast side crushing more hopes than a celebrity getting married out of the blue.
 

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I’ll have more to say later, but Sydney repeated their no-show against Geelong from the Grand Final. 0.3 in the entire second half. Geelong had this won in literally the first term.
 

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I’m just going to list the scores, with a couple of quick notes off the top:
-Adelaide survived the Tazzy trip, but that’s not how you want to go into a big match
-I said it already, but Sydney going down at GMHBA the way they did is shameful
-Carlton are frauds. They’ll miss the 8 and Voss gets the sack. That’s my AFL hot take.

Port Adelaide 16.13 (109)
West Coast 10.9 (69)

Greater Western Sydney 13.9 (87)
Brisbane 16.12 (108)

Geelong 20.10 (130)
Sydney 5.7 (37)

Hawthorn 11.10 (76)
Adelaide 11.13 (79)

Carlton 8.12 (60)
St. Kilda 12.10 (82)

Gold Coast 14.13 (97)
North Melbourne 7.12 (54)

Melbourne 15.6 (96)
Richmond 11.12 (78)

Collingwood 13.12 (90)
Essendon 11.11 (77)

And the ladder after 6 rounds….

St. Kilda 5 1 0 20 142.9
Collingwood 5 1 0 20 119.7
Melbourne 4 2 0 16 129.4
Essendon 4 2 0 16 120.0
Adelaide 4 2 0 16 115.9
Brisbane 4 2 0 16 113.8
Port Adelaide 4 2 0 16 101.6
Carlton 3 2 1 14 92.4
Geelong 3 3 0 12 137.7
Sydney 3 3 0 12 105.7
Western Bulldogs 3 3 0 12 90.3
Greater Western Sydney 2 4 0 8 91.6
Fremantle 2 4 0 8 89.9
Gold Coast 2 4 0 8 85.5
North Melbourne 2 4 0 8 73.9
Richmond 1 4 1 6 90.3
West Coast 1 5 0 4 72.6
Hawthorn 1 5 0 4 64.5
 

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I agree with the CEO it’s got to be the Devils. Glad for Tasmania they deserve the opportunity. Will be interesting to see what they can build as the only club in the area.
 

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Maybe this will keep Hawthorn out of Launceston going forward.

Tassie was the last state without their own team, and yeah, they've been borrowing Hawthorn for a few years now, which worked great when they were winning Premierships. Nowadays, it just gives them a slight advantage when other sides have to travel down there.

The tangent for this is that they'll want to get back to even sooner rather than later. The question is, where? I don't know if you want to rush a second team in Tassie if you don't have to, and the major city in each of the other non-Vic states already has two teams, so the last frontier is probably the ACT. I know a couple of matches each season are played at Manuka Oval in Canberra, so I have to believe that'll be where they settle on 20. If Canberra can't/won't get in, my dark horse would be Ballarat. The Western Bulldogs already play one match a year at Mars Stadium there, so maybe they keep it in Vic if the ACT won't fly.
 

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And on the Wiki page for the Hobart bid, Eddie McGuire’s on record as saying Tassie should only get a team in 2030, and even then under two conditions:

-a roof on the new stadium
-the 20th team joins with them in either Darwin or Perth

This is the same guy that puts up a massive stink every time Port wants to wear their prison bars in a Showdown.

EDIT: I should be fair to Eddie. The Wiki says he wants a 20th team in Perth or "Northern Australia", which is a nebulous concept, but generally accepted as all of the NT and the parts of Queensland and WA north of 26 degrees south. The only other cities in that range that makes any kind of sense is either Alice Springs (cool, put an AFL team in a desert crossroads town) or Cairns. So Darwin is the least ludicrous of those three, and it's still plenty stupid. Canberra or bust.
 
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I'm an extreme greenhorn, but ACT would be awesome (as would NT/Darwin), but I understand the challenges the latter would experience.
 

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Yeah, Darwin’s a cute idea (and they do play a match or two up there), but let’s face it: teams already complain about having to go to Perth, and that’s a huge city. Imagine the Vic/SA teams having to go up there every other year. And spare a thought for the Tassie team.
 

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The Wiki says he wants a 20th team in Perth or "Northern Australia", which is a nebulous concept, but generally accepted as all of the NT and the parts of Queensland and WA north of 26 degrees south. The only other cities in that range that makes any kind of sense is either Alice Springs (cool, put an AFL team in a desert crossroads town) or Cairns. So Darwin is the least ludicrous of those three, and it's still plenty stupid. Canberra or bust.
I'm not as familiar with the challenges of having a team in the FNQ/Cairns. What are some of the things that would make a team unlikely or prohibit proper growth. Honest question! :)
 

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I'm not as familiar with the challenges of having a team in the FNQ/Cairns. What are some of the things that would make a team unlikely or prohibit proper growth. Honest question! :)
A couple of things:

-Travel to Darwin/Cairns. Like i said, Freo and West Coast are already seen to have an advantage when eastern teams have to travel to Perth, and Perth is at least a big city with lots to do. Which leads me to…
-Demographics. When Hobart joins in 2028, they’ll be the smallest AFL city (though it’s extremely close to Geelong, only a difference of about 10k), but will at least be able to draw in fans from all around Tassie. Cairns and Darwin, OTOH, combine to have the population of Hobart or Geelong, with absolutely nothing around to supplement (I wouldn’t be surprised if a decent percentage of Geelong’s membership is in Melbourne). Cairns in particular is isolated and deep in rugby league territory.
 

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I’ll do a quick posting of the last two rounds’ scores in a bit, but as the resident Crows fan, I figured I’d look at what’s happened to them the last three rounds.

At Gather Round, Adelaide thrashed Carlton and scored 118 to do it, along with a dogged, to borrow a term from ice hockey, “forecheck”. Since then, they’ve kept the scores down (opponents’ scores Rounds 6-8 are 76, 59, and 98*) but have been pretty hapless in front of goal themselves (79, 58, 72). Part of that is young key forward Darcy Fogarty. He’s building a reputation as Adelaide’s next young sharpshooter, but after 3.1 against Hawthorn in Tasmania, he’s totalled 0.1, including a full shutout yesterday at Kardinia. In fact, about the only forward that’s been consistently threatening 1-8 has been Tex, but that probably speaks to the youth throughout the side. So there’s a few youngsters that need to get going (gotta be honest, Izak Rankine’s another one that makes me worried).

*98 may not sound like a good defensive number, but in Rounds 4-7 the Cats were at 127, 136, 130, and 132. The Crows did great by that metric.
 
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Okay, way overdue, but here's how Rounds 7 and 8 shook down, and Round 9's fixture list.

Round 7

St. Kilda 11.10 (76)
Port Adelaide 12.11 (83)

Brisbane 17.13 (115)
Fremantle 10.7 (67)

Sydney 16.10 (106)
Greater Western Sydney 17.5 (107)

Western Bulldogs 14.10 (94)
Hawthorn 9.11 (65)

Melbourne 22.7 (139)
North Melbourne 7.7 (49)

West Coast 6.8 (44)
Carlton 23.14 (152)

Essendon 16.8 (104)
Geelong 20.12 (132)

Richmond 6.12 (48)
Gold Coast 11.6 (72)

Adelaide 7.16 (58)
Collingwood 8.11 (59)

Round 8

Carlton 11.8 (74)
Brisbane 15.10 (100)

Richmond 15.14 (104)
West Coast 8.10 (58)

Geelong 14.14 (98)
Adelaide 11.6 (72)

Gold Coast 13.7 (85)
Melbourne 13.12 (90)

Greater Western Sydney 10.11 (71)
Western Bulldogs 13.8 (86)

Fremantle 18.9 (117)
Hawthorn 7.6 (48)

Port Adelaide 12.20 (92)
Essendon 13.9 (87)

Collingwood 11.11 (77)
Sydney 6.12 (48)

North Melbourne 4.10 (34)
St. Kilda 8.16 (64)

Round 9 fixtures

Friday, May 12
Richmond vs. Geelong at MCG, 5:20 am
West Coast vs. Gold Coast at Optus, 6:40 am

Saturday, May 13
Sydney vs. Fremantle at SCG, 5/12 11:45 pm (TSN2 live)
North Melbourne vs Port Adelaide at Blundstone Arena (Hobart, Tas.), 12:10 am
Hawthorn vs. Melbourne at MCG, 2:35 am
Brisbane vs. Essendon at the Gabba, 5:25 am (TSN5 live)
Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs at Marvel, 5:30 am

Sunday, May 14
Adelaide vs. St. Kilda at Adelaide Oval, 5/13 11:10 pm
Collingwood vs. Greater Western Sydney at MCG, 2:40 am
 

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Tell me about Terrible when you get to North. The Roo's were always smoke a mirrors to start the season with two wins but getting punked by Melbourne just makes my blood boil. Then they no showed against St. Kilda. I know it's one of the youngest teams in the league but they have joined the race for the spoon with a vengeance.
 

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(Another) question for any/all:

With the Dreamtime at the 'G/Sir Doug Nicholls Round coming up soon, is there a reason why the Dat'G game always features Essendon and Richmond?

Is it just because those are big teams in the AFL with a big fanbase, and thus, helps attract the eyeballs?

Or they wanted 2 premier teams from Melbourne/Victoria in the initial game (and thus, began a tradition when those 2 teams play Dat'G every year)?

Or maybe even both of those suburbs/regions in Melbourne have a high(er) indigenous population than other Melbourne suburbs & the league felt they were good picks? Maybe all of the above?
 

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I couldn’t find much about the why it had to be these two. The likely answer is probably a bit of a retcon: they played the first match in 2005, before it was a regular part of the Sir Doug Nicholls Rounds, and the challenge cup up for grabs is named for a famous indigenous Richmond player/Essendon coach. If you support an interstate club, just stick to the usual line: the AFL only cares about the Vic clubs and will put them in prestigious matches even when other clubs may deserve some limelight.
 

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Ive been a casual Eagles fan for a while. They had a nice run a few years back but they are terrible now.
They needed their list healthy and a break or two to challenge for finals, and for the second year running, it’s injuries that did them in. Kennedy is gone, Nat may as well be. It’s probably just the point in the cycle they’re at.
Tell me about Terrible when you get to North. The Roo's were always smoke a mirrors to start the season with two wins but getting punked by Melbourne just makes my blood boil. Then they no showed against St. Kilda. I know it's one of the youngest teams in the league but they have joined the race for the spoon with a vengeance.
To be fair, North is a side that received a competitive balance boost from the league for being so bad the last two years. Clarko almost certainly needs more time, and likely more talent than just LDU/Sheezel/Simpkin. Just hope the AFL doesn’t ever get around to that whole Hawthorn investigation to find that Clarko had a hand in the racism.
 

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Okay, let's see how Round 9 went, where we are on the ladder, and what's on tap for the first Sir Doug Nicholls Round (the AFL app is already having fun with it, as Port Adelaide, Melbourne, and Freo have special indigenous art logos.

Richmond 16.6 (102)
Geelong 11.12 (78)

West Coast 6.7 (43)
Gold Coast 16.17 (113)

Sydney 13.8 (86)
Fremantle 16.7 (103)

North Melbourne 10.5 (65)
Port Adelaide 20.15 (135)

Hawthorn 7.7 (49)
Melbourne 15.13 (103)

Brisbane 12.15 (87)
Essendon 6.9 (45)

Carlton 8.11 (59)
Western Bulldogs 11.13 (79)

Adelaide 19.7 (121)
St. Kilda 10.9 (69)

Collingwood 18.12 (120)
Greater Western Sydney 7.13 (55)

Collingwood 8 1 0 32 129.7
Melbourne 7 2 0 28 143.6
Brisbane 7 2 0 28 126.6
Port Adelaide 7 2 0 28 112.1
St. Kilda 6 3 0 24 120.8
Western Bulldogs 6 3 0 24 102.5
Geelong 5 4 0 20 127.5
Adelaide 5 4 0 20 114.4
Carlton 4 4 1 18 103.5
Essendon 4 5 0 16 102.7
Gold Coast 4 5 0 16 101.5
Fremantle 4 5 0 16 98.1
Richmond 3 5 1 14 99.6
Sydney 3 6 0 12 97.7
Greater Western Sydney 3 6 0 12 85.4
North Melbourne 2 7 0 8 62.9
West Coast 1 8 0 4 60.5
Hawthorn 1 8 0 4 60.0


And Round 10, the first of two Sir Douglas Nicholls Rounds

Friday, May 19

Port Adelaide vs. Melbourne at Adelaide Oval, 5:50 AM

Saturday, May 20

North Melbourne vs. Sydney at Marvel Stadium, 5/19 11:45 PM (TSN2 Live)
Western Bulldogs vs. Adelaide at Mars Stadium (Ballarat), 12:10 AM
Fremantle vs. Geelong at Optus Stadium, 2:35 AM
Brisbane vs. Gold Coast at the Gabba, 5:30 AM
Essendon vs. Richmond at the MCG (Dreamtime at the G), 5:40 AM (TSN1 Tape Delay - 12:00 Noon)

Sunday, May 21

Hawthorn vs. West Coast at UTAS Stadium (Launceston, Tas.), 5/20 11:10 PM
Cartlon vs. Collingwood at MCG, 1:20 AM
Greater Western Sydney vs. St. Kilda at GIANTS Stadium, 2:40 AM
 

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US live TV broadcasts (times EDT)

Friday
Port Adelaide vs Melbourne, 5:30am, FS2

Saturday
Western vs Adelaide, 12:00am, FS2
Fremantle vs Geelong, 2:30am, FS1
Essendon vs Richmond, 5:15am, FS2

Sunday
Carlton vs Collingwood, 1:00am, FS2