3B coach Carlos Febles fired.
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Okay, so maybe the FO told Cora to STFU and get it through his head that he doesn't run the team?
All good decisions IMO so far.
All good decisions IMO so far.
That must be it. I thought he was good friends with Cora, and wouldn't be let go. But his telling guys to run or not run from third to home wasn't that bad.
Febles fired along with Bush? It's shaping up as the St. Publia's Day Massacre at Fenway.
RedSox.com's Coaches page not updated yet, but more to come?:
RedSox.com's Coaches page not updated yet, but more to come?:
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Alex Cora 13 | Manager |
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Ramón Vázquez 60 | Bench Coach |
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Peter Fatse 62 | Hitting Coach |
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Luis Ortiz 54 | Assistant Hitting Coach |
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Ben Rosenthal 85 | Assistant Hitting Coach |
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Dave Bush 58 | Pitching Coach |
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Kyle Hudson 84 | First Base Coach/Outfield Instructor |
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Carlos Febles 53 | Third Base Coach |
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Kevin Walker 51 | Bullpen Coach |
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Jason Varitek 33 | Game Planning Coordinator/Catching Coach |
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Charlie Madden 90 | Bullpen Catcher |
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Mani Martìnez 88 | Bullpen Catcher |
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Andy Fox 81 | Major League Field Coordinator |
Less than a week after Cora talked about wanting all his coaches back; feels like a warning shot or a reaffirmation of who is in charge (although who exactly….isn’t clear). Seems like the right move, especially with Bush, where a new voice was necessary.
Given how much Cora has been empowered lately, and a new GM/President hasn't been hired or appointed yet, I think it more likely that Cora made these calls.
It's interesting that no one on that list is identified as base-running coach or infield instructor, the two biggest gaps in the Sox system currently.
Yeah, and as others have said, unless we see a chagrined Cora in his next appearance I’m also going with the idea he’s driving the bus.
Ironic that it’s the kind of merciless I’d expect from a GM more than coach.
I think it's a group effort. It's pretty common after a couple of bad years for a manager/head coach to be told that he can stay if he makes changes below. I'm not certain that's exactly how this played out, but the whole group is savvy enough to know that bringing back all the coaches would be a bad idea, both in effectiveness and appearance.
The alternative might be Cora was told he's staying on that one-year contract, so he's staffing up to prove he's worth keeping.
Yeah, on brand for Cora to pass the buck.
Has Cora made any statement after the firings today?
Are managers usually the ones who make these decisions? Granted things are weird in the Sox org right now but why do we think this was Cora’s doing?
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Who else is close enough to their performance every day every game besides the manager? Possibly the general manager, but he's gone.
Yes, managers usually get a lot of autonomy with regards to their coaching staff. Especially incumbent managers.
Might these moves also be smoke signals that the GM/CBO will ultimately be filled via internal promotion? Cora likely being involved in these moves, and just still being here, makes me suspect so. Would, IMO, be a bad idea to bring in an allegedly fairly autonomous external candidate, and force them to accept the manager and coaching staff as constructed, without input.
GM/CBOs are hired quite often with incumbent managers and staffs, including three of the last four in the position in Boston (and the fourth by all accounts was forced to hire someone who wasn't his preferred choice). I think we're all trying to read way too much into what appears to be normal post-season actions by a team that didn't make the playoffs. If they know they don't want to keep guys around, the right thing to do is let them go as soon as possible so they have the best chance to get another job somewhere else. Doesn't mean they have to hire a replacement for Febles or Bush just as quickly. They can do that after the new head is in place.
What’s different though is that Cora less than a week ago stated that HE would be back and his staff, not the Fo saying that. Then this happens
And?
Like I said, three of the last four GM/CBOs the Sox have hired inherited managers. Probably the only reason that we didn't hear Grady Little or John Farrell or Cora himself say he would be back is that no one thought it was in doubt.
This is the way I see it too. I think that both need to be on the same page and should have discussions about the coaching staff.
Pedantic post: I think technically, Bloom promoted Roenicke from bench coach to manager in 2020 when Cora resigned, then re-hired Cora in 2021? (I mean, to the extent the final call on either of those was Bloom's.)
True. But Cora was in place when Bloom was hired (Oct 28, 2019) and there was no talk of firing him or that his job was in danger following the end of the season. It wasn't until the Astros report was released in January that the shit hit the fan and Cora left. Doesn't really change my point that three of the last four GM/CBOs took the job without expectation of being able to immediately hire a new field manager.
Could be that Cora made the statement, and later that week ownership told him things need to be better in 2024 or he’s gone.
Managers in any industry can be buddy-buddy with their subordinates until a fire is lit under their ass.