30 for 30: The Four Falls of Buffalo

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Mods feel free to move or delete - I didn't see a good choice of forum for this. This may be my new favorite 30 for 30. Also interesting because was I just getting into sports as a young adult in college when these games actually happened so it's interesting to compare my memories against the documentary.

* Great interview with Bill Belichick about how he defended the Bills in the first of the four Superbowls. Apparently it was the first time someone played with 2 defensive lineman. Belichick got way more press time than Parcels did. History at work.
* Kind of obvious, but Norwood's miss was a 47 yarder. That seems routine nowadays, but it was a long kick back then. He'd never made a kick that long on grass in his career.
* The players and town really had Norwood's back and he was a hero in Buffalo (unlike BB in Boston ... edit: but see the update below - I may have bought too much into the media storyline on BB).
* Not mentioned but I couldn't help but notice - Marv Levy is supposed to be the intellectual coach but his players and staff were so badly unprepared. Thurman Thomas losing his helmet, all the turnovers, the shuffle passes, letting his players party all night and then realizing they were abusing the privilege and then being forced to impose one mid-week, an assistant coach who trash talked "the hogs" at length in the game against Washington, etc.
* The comeback. The Bills came back from 35 to 3 down with less than 2 minutes in the third quarter to beat the Oilers in the playoffs.
* 9 turnovers against the Cowboys in the third game! See also: my point about Levy.
* Interesting bit about Don Beebe stripping Leon Lett on the goal line to prevent a touchdown. He got a bunch of letters, including from Cowboys fans, mostly from dads and coaches who used him as a role model.
* Interesting subtext - Thurman Thomas criticized the play calling quite a bit in interviews. I know Jim Kelly had a lot of freedom to call plays under the no huddle but I don't think Kelly was Thomas' target. Not sure who was

And at the end of it, you really empathize with the the Bills, particularly by the 4th game when they basically gave up after being up at the half. The documentary said the Bills had nothing left to give, too drained after 4 years of fighting to climb the hill. I'd say the reality was that those early 90's Cowboys teams were just way better than everyone else back then.
 
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The emotional part had to be real. Their regular season record vs the NFC was outstanding. They beat all of the best NFC teams on the road. The first loss was a great game by the Giants and an unfortunate miss, but after that they cracked under the pressure of the Super Bowl.
 

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Geez, I gotta see this thing. It sounds so damn compelling.

I hadn't realized the Bills had 9 turnovers in the 3rd SB. Holy hell. Looking at the box score, that figure could have been worse: they fumbled the ball EIGHT times but recovered 3 of them. What an awful performance.
 

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Geez, I gotta see this thing. It sounds so damn compelling.

I hadn't realized the Bills had 9 turnovers in the 3rd SB. Holy hell. Looking at the box score, that figure could have been worse: they fumbled the ball EIGHT times but recovered 3 of them. What an awful performance.
It was actually really well done. You'll probably enjoy it.

* The players and town really had Norwood's back and he was a hero in Buffalo (unlike BB in Boston ...)
The bolded isn't quite true. Like at all. Buckner got a standing ovation on the first day of the 1987 season, he also got a lot of support at the rally after the Sox lost, when he came back to Boston in 1990, he was treated very well too. I know it's the national story line to say that Sox fans were dicks to Buckner for 18 years and only after 2004 did they forgive him. But that's not true at all. Most people realize that Buckner was a hell of a ball player and that it was really McNamara's fault that he was out there in the first place ("I wanted my guys to be on the field celebrating when we won it all," was his excuse despite the fact that Dave Stapleton was the de facto defensive replacement for the entire fucking year, including the playoffs! But I digress ...)

There were a few jerks who made jokes and didn't treat him with respect, but I bet that Scott Norwood has had to deal with that crap too.
 

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Don Beebe stripping Leon Lett on the goal line to prevent a touchdown.
Admittedly this is a memory from a long time ago, but a couple months after that Lett sat for an article for Sports Illustrated for Kids accompanied by a comic-book rehash of the play. It was fully presented as a "Kids, don't celebrate before you've achieved, learn from my mistake" moral lesson. Good on him for owning up (although its probably easier given that his team won).
 

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I really enjoyed this. I did not realize the love Buffalo showed for Norwood immediately after and beyond. Really great to see that.

I wonder if in a weird way it's better that they didn't win one of those four? I mean, had they gone 1-3 this thread doesn't likely exist. Would you rather be say a Bucs fan that had the one SB victory and that's it or a Bills fan that had that incredible run but never made over the mountain top?
 

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I really enjoyed this. I did not realize the love Buffalo showed for Norwood immediately after and beyond. Really great to see that.

I wonder if in a weird way it's better that they didn't win one of those four? I mean, had they gone 1-3 this thread doesn't likely exist. Would you rather be say a Bucs fan that had the one SB victory and that's it or a Bills fan that had that incredible run but never made over the mountain top?
I'm guessing Levy isn't that excited about this thread. Or the 30 for 30 that inspired it. Vikings fans no doubt also wish they had at least one.
 

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I'm guessing Levy isn't that excited about this thread. Or the 30 for 30 that inspired it. Vikings fans no doubt also wish they had at least one.
My all-time favorite postgame moment in a losing team's locker room came after Super Bowl XXV when Lynn Swann, who hadn't lost in four trips, began his postgame interview with Levy by saying that he had to be happy with his team effort, to which Levy responded, "No, we wanted to win."

So yeah, Levy would probably trade one win for the four losses. Although it is interesting that Tom Flores and Jim Plunkett won two Super Bowls and neither are in the Hall of Fame and both Levy and Jim Kelly are. I think of that whenever Francesa goes on and on about how Brady is below Bradshaw and Montana because "it's better not to go to the Super Bowl than to lose one." Which is an absurd statement.