23-24 Bruins Season Thread

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Honestly, that should be 15-20 games. There’s no difference between that and the Bertuzzi-Moore cheap shot. One resulted in massive injuries and one could have but was fortunate not to.
 

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With Looch gone, the Bs need an honest to goodness heavyweight. 5k should not be the extent of Trouba's downside, no matter how feckless the league is.
 

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With Looch gone, the Bs need an honest to goodness heavyweight. 5k should not be the extent of Trouba's downside, no matter how feckless the league is.
Trouba would not fight Lucic or any other heavyweight. Nobody is afraid of “enforcers” anymore. Having a goon does nothing but take up a roster spot. I’m all for tough guys that can get in on the forecheck and hit hard in order to wear defenseman down over a playoff series, but the notion that having someone who’s only function is to “fight the heavy’s” doesn’t accomplish anything.
 

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Some Bruins and Patrick Kane rumors out there via the 32 Thoughts pod today.

Friedman says it's been a pretty tight lipped process. At this point he reports that the Red Wings may be the front runner. They have cap space, they have DeBrincat, travel is not too bad. He goes on to hedge quite a bit but says he has other teams mentioning Boston having at least "poked around." The theory is the Bruins are still good, always looking to improve and given the lack of draft capital, this would be one way to add.
 

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Some Bruins and Patrick Kane rumors out there via the 32 Thoughts pod today.

Friedman says it's been a pretty tight lipped process. At this point he reports that the Red Wings may be the front runner. They have cap space, they have DeBrincat, travel is not too bad. He goes on to hedge quite a bit but says he has other teams mentioning Boston having at least "poked around." The theory is the Bruins are still good, always looking to improve and given the lack of draft capital, this would be one way to add.
I think Kane would be a plus addition, but I am much more concerned that the defense is ultimately going to fall short.
 

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I think Kane would be a plus addition, but I am much more concerned that the defense is ultimately going to fall short.
The defense is going to go as far as McAvoy, Lindholm, and Carlo take it. There really isn’t any moves that they can realistically make to improve other than Lohrei taking a big step in Providence and getting called up for the playoffs. Every team going into the playoffs would like to add a “big, nasty, top 4 defenseman that can clear the crease and move the puck”, but if any of those guys are actually available, they are going to cost first round picks that the Bruins don’t have, and young roster players/prospects like Lohrei, Poitras, or Lysell.

They are much better off trying to upgrade through getting an upgrade in the top 6 assuming that they can clear the cap to make it happen IMO.
 

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The defense is going to go as far as McAvoy, Lindholm, and Carlo take it. There really isn’t any moves that they can realistically make to improve other than Lohrei taking a big step in Providence and getting called up for the playoffs. Every team going into the playoffs would like to add a “big, nasty, top 4 defenseman that can clear the crease and move the puck”, but if any of those guys are actually available, they are going to cost first round picks that the Bruins don’t have, and young roster players/prospects like Lohrei, Poitras, or Lysell.

They are much better off trying to upgrade through getting an upgrade in the top 6 assuming that they can clear the cap to make it happen IMO.
I agree about top4. Not much they can do there. As you suggest the end, the bigger concern is much more with bottom 2 than top 4. Assuming Forbort is going nowhere, I've yet to see any of Shattenkirk, Mitchell or Lohrei step up as #6, though Lohrie has that potential. I suppose it's easier to improve on the bottom of the D than the top.
 

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I agree about top4. Not much they can do there. As you suggest the end, the bigger concern is much more with bottom 2 than top 4. Assuming Forbort is going nowhere, I've yet to see any of Shattenkirk, Mitchell or Lohrei step up as #6, though Lohrie has that potential. I suppose it's easier to improve on the bottom of the D than the top.
It's kind of hard to overstate how bad Lohrei was and how detrimental he was to the overall defense. They've allowed 29 5x5 goals against this season and 11 came with Lohrei on the ice. And he only played 10 games. By any of the defensive rate stats like shots against, chances against, and expected goals against, he is last among defenseman by a signficant margin. They were winning so it didn't really hurt them but he probably should've been sent down after McAvoy came back. He was so bad I wouldn't consider him for a call up the rest of the way, I'd bring Wotherspoon and Zboril up first.

To me, Mitchell has earned the #6 spot, he's played well. He's been good and reliable since he was called back up. Monty seems to agree as Mitchell has played 3 or 4 straight after previously rotating with Shattenkirk.

Bergeron leaving will hurt the team defense but I'm fine with the personnel on the blue line. 5/6 were here last year and part of an elite defense. Most of them are having similar years as they were last year. McAvoy has been a bit bumpy but he also spent a lot of time with Lohrei. Carlo's seen a spike in shots and chances against that is alarming but it's a little too early to be crazy concerned.
 

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Im curious if Lohrei being on the line with Mac has anything to do with how bad he looked and his metrics showing it. Mac seems like a very offensively minded D, so was Lohrei defending rushes with a winger or center more often than you might expect? He definitely looked bad on his own, but I'm curious if he was paired with a more defensively-minded D partner if he would have had more of a foundation to work from.

I dont generally follow the Providence team, was Lohrei more offensive or defensive in his games there?
 

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Lohrei has an offensive background. He played forward up until high school when he was moved to defense. He hasn't played much in Providence, only 8 games at the end of last season and 8 so far this year. His rep from the USHL and NCAA is offense and puck moving. That skill is evident watching him play.

McAvoy is among the best 3 defensemen in hockey at both ends of the ice and Lohrei struggled badly paired with him. When McAvoy was suspended they tried Lohrei with Carlo, the very definition of defensive defenseman, and Lohrei struggled in that spot as well.

Lohrei's transition and offensive game is NHL ready but his defensive game is nowhere near ready. There is a lot to like based on what we saw in the NHL but he needs to play 25 minutes a night in the AHL in all situations to develop the defensive game. Better positioning, better stick work, better decision making, all of it.
 

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I think Debrusk needs to play with more skilled offensive players to open up his offense. While he's better than "any breathing player can get 20 playing on a line with Bergeron and Marchand," he's not so good that he can get 20 playing on a line with Heinen, etc. On the bright side, he's maintaining the rest of his game, unlike in years past, when his offense would affect the rest of his game.
 

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I think Debrusk needs to play with more skilled offensive players to open up his offense. While he's better than "any breathing player can get 20 playing on a line with Bergeron and Marchand," he's not so good that he can get 20 playing on a line with Heinen, etc. On the bright side, he's maintaining the rest of his game, unlike in years past, when his offense would affect the rest of his game.
I thought Debrusk, Poitras and Heinen were excellent last night. That’s a line I would keep together.

I also like Lauko, Beecher and Frederic.
 

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I thought Debrusk, Poitras and Heinen were excellent last night. That’s a line I would keep together.

I also like Lauko, Beecher and Frederic.
I dont know what the solution is, but I think that both Debrusk and Frederic are wasted (or their skills are substantially under-utilized) in those groupings.
 

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I dont know what the solution is, but I think that both Debrusk and Frederic are wasted (or their skills are substantially under-utilized) in those groupings.
I think the big problem is what to do with Geekie. I read somewhere recently that the team has had very limited practice time over the last month. Hopefully with some additional game and practice time they can start to gel. Lots of new players.
 

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Jake's been about the same no matter where he's played. When he's played with Poitras they've scored 5 goals. When he's played with other players (Coyle and Zacha line) they've scored 7 goals in about 25 more total minutes. He's shooting 6.7% which is about half of what he shot the past 2 years (13.6% and 14.1%). He's also mostly been off PP1. That all impacts production. Theoretically he's been unlucky shooting. Regression to the mean shooting wise and a bump in PP1 mintues should boost his production.

They seem to have settled on JVR - Coyle - Frederic for now, and that trio is up 6-2 when they are on the ice. Freddy has been good and that was essentially the same 3rd line that was awesome last year, with JVR in for Hall. That leaves either Pasta or DeBrusk for Poitras and they chose DeBrusk. There are beneifts to putting Pasta there but that also is going to draw the toughest defensive matchups for Poitras which could be problematic.

IMO they need another winger.
 

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Lysell has 14 points in 18 games in Providence right now. He could be an option later on in the season if he keeps improving.
 

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Bruins' lines at practice today:
DeBrusk-Zacha-Pastrnak
Marchand-Poitras-Heinen
van Riemsdyk-Coyle-Frederic
Lauko-Beecher-Geekie
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Lindholm-McAvoy
Grzelcyk-Carlo
Forbort-Shattenkirk
Mitchell
We’ll see if DeBrusk can score more goals/improve his shooting % with this move to the first line. Spreading the talent around should give the Bruins some matchup advantages. Something needed to change, even if it is temporary.

I like the Marchand and Poitras combo, but would prefer that they have a 2nd center on that line to help - maybe Geekie?

Heinen’s acquitted himself well, but this lineup does demonstrate that they’re still 1 top 9 wing short. Maybe Lysell earns a look now that the defense is healthy (and can cover for the rook’s defensive inexperience/deficiencies).

 

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Marchand and Heinen are both responsible defensively. Heinen can also play center if necessary. If they are protecting a lead late they'll probably just put Marchand back with Coyle for defensive situations anyways. Geekie's not a defensive guy.

I'm not sure if Lysell is ready yet, I haven't watched him play. The production is there but that's never really been the problem. His play away from the puck and in battles was awful in the preseason. Not sure if they feel 18 games is enough to reward him with a call up.
 

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We’ll see if DeBrusk can score more goals/improve his shooting % with this move to the first line. Spreading the talent around should give the Bruins some matchup advantages. Something needed to change, even if it is temporary.

I like the Marchand and Poitras combo, but would prefer that they have a 2nd center on that line to help - maybe Geekie?

Heinen’s acquitted himself well, but this lineup does demonstrate that they’re still 1 top 9 wing short. Maybe Lysell earns a look now that the defense is healthy (and can cover for the rook’s defensive inexperience/deficiencies).

I'd swap Frederic and Heinen. I think I am just considerably higher on Frederic than I am on Heinen. I agree that Heinen has been good. I just think Frederic's ceiling is higher.
 

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I'd swap Frederic and Heinen. I think I am just considerably higher on Frederic than I am on Heinen. I agree that Heinen has been good. I just think Frederic's ceiling is higher.
Frederic and Coyle have something cooking together. In 801 minutes at 5x5 together since the beginning of last season the Bruisn are up 44-21 with those 2 on the ice together. It's an extensive sample size and the underlyings are good too. The actual results are a bit inflated but the underlyings are still excellent.

Those 2 have a good thing going, I'd just leave them alone. Heinen is fine but I think his presence on that line underscores the need for another forward.
 

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Those 2 have a good thing going, I'd just leave them alone. Heinen is fine but I think his presence on that line underscores the need for another forward.
I was going off eyes, not numbers, so I'd have to agree. Especially with the bolded.
 
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I am wondering why it is that the Bruns have one of the most effective penalty kill squads in the NHL but seem to struggle so mightily with the 6-5 game-ending kill. Is it because there are fewer angles for the clear with six skaters? Is it the personnel they use (I can't understand what Pasta is doing out there in those situations)? Is it a failure of coaching to adequately address this situation? Or is it just the vagaries of a small sample size? Whatever it is, it's really starting to be a gut-churning issue.
 

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I am wondering why it is that the Bruns have one of the most effective penalty kill squads in the NHL but seem to struggle so mightily with the 6-5 game-ending kill. Is it because there are fewer angles for the clear with six skaters? Is it the personnel they use (I can't understand what Pasta is doing out there in those situations)? Is it a failure of coaching to adequately address this situation? Or is it just the vagaries of a small sample size? Whatever it is, it's really starting to be a gut-churning issue.
I think it's a handful of things. First, I agree with you on Pasta, I had no clue why he was out there, maybe he got caught on the ice when the goalie pulled(Pasta taking seemingly unnecessarily long shifts is whole other thing)? We've seen so many of these situations the last 2 seasons I think we just feel like its happening a lot, the league PP% is usually around 20% which feels inline with how many they give up. I also think they have philosophy when they can't ice it like normal on the kill that they try to just get it out of the zone a lot, which is leading to failed clears. I would rather have them just hammer it down ice and take a chance at the dot, where I feel like they have better odds than the missed clears. More bodies on the ice creates more muck as well.

So basically outside of the inability to clear the puck I don't think we are giving up more EN goals than we should
 

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I think it's a handful of things. First, I agree with you on Pasta, I had no clue why he was out there, maybe he got caught on the ice when the goalie pulled(Pasta taking seemingly unnecessarily long shifts is whole other thing)? We've seen so many of these situations the last 2 seasons I think we just feel like its happening a lot, the league PP% is usually around 20% which feels inline with how many they give up. I also think they have philosophy when they can't ice it like normal on the kill that they try to just get it out of the zone a lot, which is leading to failed clears. I would rather have them just hammer it down ice and take a chance at the dot, where I feel like they have better odds than the missed clears. More bodies on the ice creates more muck as well.

So basically outside of the inability to clear the puck I don't think we are giving up more EN goals than we should

I could see them not wanting to ice the puck last night against Toronto considering how good they are on faceoffs. Which is why I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want Beecher in the lineup last night. I would have rather seen him in there last night over JVR.
 

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I could see them not wanting to ice the puck last night against Toronto considering how good they are on faceoffs. Which is why I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want Beecher in the lineup last night. I would have rather seen him in there last night over JVR.
As to Toronto specifically sure I could see that line of thinking, but it's been a thing since Monty came in. The Beecher night off was absolutely bizarre to me. I haven't looked at the advanced stats but I feel like he's been our best or second best defensive center. He's extremely reliable in his role. I don't necessarily mind giving him a night off every now and then, and we obviously won, but I'd rather see him get a game off against a bottom team. Getting reps against a team as talented as Toronto in that atmosphere is only going to help him. Plus the obvious fact that the team is better with him playing over at least 5 or 6 other guys
 

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Thank you for posting that, really well done story and interview.

"There's no guilt in being happy, even when you are grieving" is a great line.

His reaction as soon as she says Swayman's name is just beautiful.
 

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Fuck man that made me cry. I had the same experience my mother, even down to it finally overwhelming you and breaking down part, though I wish I was as open as him. I have always thought high of him but this takes it to a new level
 

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Have to wonder what impact his father finally passing away (and removing that emotional burden/constant worry about is he alive/okay/etc) might have had on his jump in quality as a goalie.
 

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An update on the Bruins and what they're doing for the Lewiston victims. Maybe this belongs in V&N but this is Bruins related so...

I had posted before about my coworker (she was there at the bowling alley and saw it all happen. Her boyfriend and his friend charged the shooter and sadly lost their lives). She had contacted a bunch of Bruins players and management on Instagram one sleepless night. Jeremy Swayman - UMaine grad - responded the next morning with condolences and promises to do something special, and then sorta radio silent for a couple weeks. Then she was contacted by a representative of the Bruins Foundation saying they planned to do an entire family/victim night in December.

Well, it's December now. Swayman has kept in fairly regular contact, as has the team. She just got off the phone with Bob Sweeney with a million questions. It sounds like my coworker is going to work with them on victim contact info and dispersement of donations, as well as just helping tell some stories. Obviously, my coworker doesn't know everyone involved and was only at one of the locations - and she's also generally shy and in the grieving process herself - but this is amazing. I'm really, really in awe of her strength through this.



I've had my issues with the Bruins team/player management, but I am completely blown away by the team's work on this situation.
 
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Haven't been able to locate any updates on Zacha or McAvoy. Are either or both likely to play in NJ?

Made my annual pilgrimage to TD Garden from the Left Coast Saturday and was surprised at how slow the B's played. AZ was quicker to the puck on most occasions and the B's propensity to throw short outlets to the front of their net to relieve pressure was very scary. Also, Poitras really looked the boy among men, though he does get right up and stick his nose back in the fray. Heinen continues his Swiss Army Knife utility and seems the bargain of the season.
 

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Haven't seen any confirmation but it has to be for contract termination. He was never on the NHL roster so there's no other reason to waive.

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Didn't he already get through waivers (coming out of the pre-season)? I guess of course a team could have a need now vs then.