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I don’t know if this is how it’s meant…. But Cora’s BP management is horrifying at times…. Right now about as far away from the regular season as can be it’s impossible to think of specifics. He just seemed to not read his relievers strengths (not good with runners on base…. Only threw 4 pitches-bring them back out!) and I do think he lost a net 3-5 games last season by “mindless” bullpen usage
 

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I don’t know if this is how it’s meant…. But Cora’s BP management is horrifying at times…. Right now about as far away from the regular season as can be it’s impossible to think of specifics. He just seemed to not read his relievers strengths (not good with runners on base…. Only threw 4 pitches-bring them back out!) and I do think he lost a net 3-5 games last season by “mindless” bullpen usage
"The Seattle Game"

I am still furious. Team never righted the ship after it.
 

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I don’t know if this is how it’s meant…. But Cora’s BP management is horrifying at times…. Right now about as far away from the regular season as can be it’s impossible to think of specifics. He just seemed to not read his relievers strengths (not good with runners on base…. Only threw 4 pitches-bring them back out!) and I do think he lost a net 3-5 games last season by “mindless” bullpen usage
Haha, that's not what they mean, pretty sure that the "mindless bullpens" are pitcher throwing sessions in preseason or between games, where usually they just throw a bunch of pitches in the bullpen without thinking too much about it.
 

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Haha, that's not what they mean, pretty sure that the "mindless bullpens" are pitcher throwing sessions in preseason or between games, where usually they just throw a bunch of pitches in the bullpen without thinking too much about it.
Yeah, I interpreted it as even more specific to the preseason but I’m also hoping it continues into the season.
 

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Are you really blaming last year's collapse on one game in which the bullpen imploded?
No. Lots of things went wrong down the stretch last year that contributed to the collapse.

But when that game happened they were playing one of the teams that they were jockeying for the final wild card spot with, had a solid lead, and Schreiber had somehow managed to eek through an inning in which he had absolutely nothing, and everyone could tell.

Then Cora left him in for a second inning, even though they had a pretty well rested bullpen.

I was responding to a post that was talking about Cora's BP management, but "couldn't think of a specific instance". I pointed out a specific instance. The team was 57-51 at the time and had lost 3 of 4, but were still only 1.5 games out of the wilc card that day, and had a chance to win to stay within 1.5 and put a serious dent in Seattle's playoff hopes (they were 3.5 back).

Schreiber pitched the 6th and had absolutely nothing, letting up a double and a home run to allow the Mariners to pull to within one, after a really solid performance from Kutter Crawford. Instead of going to someone, anyone else, for the 7th inning, he left Schreiber in to allow the first two batter to reach before bringing in human gas can Richard Bleier. Martin, Winkcowski and Jansen had pitched the day before but the rest of the bullpen was rested. There was no reason to go to Schreiber for a second inning of work, especially since he was only three games into his return from an injury that kept him out for 2.5 months.

It was bullpen management at its worst, and while I don't "blame" the rest of the season on that one singular point, it was a turning point for me, and once the losing streak it started was over, the team never gave a hint of competing for the Wild Card again.
 

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The first game of the spring is today at 1PM ET against Northeastern. Baseball is back!
Will be a bullpen game today against the college kids.

https://theathletic.com/5293736/2024/02/22/red-sox-notes-jarren-duran-masataka-yoshida/

The Red Sox will have several relievers pitch an inning each on Friday against Northeastern, which had a 44-16 record last season and features center fielder Mike Sirota, who is a potential first-round pick in this year’s MLB Draft.
The starting pitchers for the first few games:
Cora mapped out the pitching schedule for the next few days:
Saturday: Garrett Whitlock at Baltimore
Sunday (split squad): Lucas Giolito vs. Minnesota; Brayan Bello at Atlanta
Monday: Nick Pivetta vs. Philadelphia
Tuesday: Kutter Crawford and Brandon Walter at St. Louis
Wednesday: Josh Winckowski at Washington
Most of the lineup won't play until Sunday:

On the position player side, Trevor Story, Rafael Devers, Triston Casas, Masataka Yoshida (at DH) and Tyler O’Neil are scheduled to play Sunday and Monday in Fort Myers then have Tuesday and Wednesday off while the team plays on the east coast. That group will then play three out of the next four games. Bobby Dalbec is scheduled to play first base on Saturday and third base on Sunday. Pablo Reyes is going to play shortstop on Saturday and then, notably, first base on Sunday. Reyes played two games at first last year, but expanding his versatility is a goal. Cora noted Ceddanne Rafaela and Wilyer Abreu will be playing almost all of the road games in the next few days.
The Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Wednesday games will be carried on NESN. All but Sunday in Atlanta will be broadcast on WEEI.
Duran "has been a full go" but will still be pushed back, until "later".

Duran has been a full go in outfield drills and in batting practice, but the Red Sox are still bringing him along slowly coming off surgery on his left toe last August.
Cora said Duran wouldn’t get into games in the outfield until “later” but wouldn’t give a specific date. It’s something to keep an eye on.
 

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Spring training is earlier than usual this year anyway, so I won't worry too much about the Duran thing. Certainly makes sense to keep him on more of a typical ST timeline since he didn't have a fully healthy offseason.
 

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No. Lots of things went wrong down the stretch last year that contributed to the collapse.

But when that game happened they were playing one of the teams that they were jockeying for the final wild card spot with, had a solid lead, and Schreiber had somehow managed to eek through an inning in which he had absolutely nothing, and everyone could tell.

Then Cora left him in for a second inning, even though they had a pretty well rested bullpen.

I was responding to a post that was talking about Cora's BP management, but "couldn't think of a specific instance". I pointed out a specific instance. The team was 57-51 at the time and had lost 3 of 4, but were still only 1.5 games out of the wilc card that day, and had a chance to win to stay within 1.5 and put a serious dent in Seattle's playoff hopes (they were 3.5 back).

Schreiber pitched the 6th and had absolutely nothing, letting up a double and a home run to allow the Mariners to pull to within one, after a really solid performance from Kutter Crawford. Instead of going to someone, anyone else, for the 7th inning, he left Schreiber in to allow the first two batter to reach before bringing in human gas can Richard Bleier. Martin, Winkcowski and Jansen had pitched the day before but the rest of the bullpen was rested. There was no reason to go to Schreiber for a second inning of work, especially since he was only three games into his return from an injury that kept him out for 2.5 months.

It was bullpen management at its worst, and while I don't "blame" the rest of the season on that one singular point, it was a turning point for me, and once the losing streak it started was over, the team never gave a hint of competing for the Wild Card again.
This is Cora. It's who he was, who he is, and who he will always be. But, hey, he managed the bullpen perfectly this game....Just ask him.
 

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This does seem like an unusually early start to games. The mandatory reporting date for position players used to be March 1, when Manny would arrive. Now it's February 20th for most teams.
 

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Schreiber pitched the 6th and had absolutely nothing, letting up a double and a home run to allow the Mariners to pull to within one, after a really solid performance from Kutter Crawford. Instead of going to someone, anyone else, for the 7th inning, he left Schreiber in to allow the first two batter to reach before bringing in human gas can Richard Bleier. Martin, Winkcowski and Jansen had pitched the day before but the rest of the bullpen was rested. There was no reason to go to Schreiber for a second inning of work, especially since he was only three games into his return from an injury that kept him out for 2.5 months.
I also remember that game. But I don't really remember who "the rest of the (rested) bullpen" was that week, as the cast of expendable crew members changed pretty regularly.
 

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This does seem like an unusually early start to games. The mandatory reporting date for position players used to be March 1, when Manny would arrive. Now it's February 20th for most teams.
Opening Day is also a week to 10 days earlier than it used to be. They're not starting any earlier this year than last (first game was 2/24). The two most significant reasons are the expanded post-season and more mandated days off during the season per the current CBA.
 

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No. Lots of things went wrong down the stretch last year that contributed to the collapse.

But when that game happened they were playing one of the teams that they were jockeying for the final wild card spot with, had a solid lead, and Schreiber had somehow managed to eek through an inning in which he had absolutely nothing, and everyone could tell.

Then Cora left him in for a second inning, even though they had a pretty well rested bullpen.

I was responding to a post that was talking about Cora's BP management, but "couldn't think of a specific instance". I pointed out a specific instance. The team was 57-51 at the time and had lost 3 of 4, but were still only 1.5 games out of the wilc card that day, and had a chance to win to stay within 1.5 and put a serious dent in Seattle's playoff hopes (they were 3.5 back).

Schreiber pitched the 6th and had absolutely nothing, letting up a double and a home run to allow the Mariners to pull to within one, after a really solid performance from Kutter Crawford. Instead of going to someone, anyone else, for the 7th inning, he left Schreiber in to allow the first two batter to reach before bringing in human gas can Richard Bleier. Martin, Winkcowski and Jansen had pitched the day before but the rest of the bullpen was rested. There was no reason to go to Schreiber for a second inning of work, especially since he was only three games into his return from an injury that kept him out for 2.5 months.

It was bullpen management at its worst, and while I don't "blame" the rest of the season on that one singular point, it was a turning point for me, and once the losing streak it started was over, the team never gave a hint of competing for the Wild Card again.
Also, the next day was an off day.

Are you really blaming last year's collapse on one game in which the bullpen imploded?
It was pretty emblematic of the problems from last year.

Scroll down for the play-by-play. https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SEA/SEA202308020.shtml#all_play_by_play

And scroll down to see if anyone here thought this was a good idea. https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/8-2-open-the-month-with-another-win.40092/page-3#post-5674128

What you'll see on the Sons, but not in the box score is a reaction to this Devers Not-An-Error: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sporty-videos?playId=8dbecc69-c3e7-492f-a828-6685f1a2d28f
 
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I don't think bullpen management in any way led to the offense totally shitting the bed in the last month of the season. That was the reason for the September collapse.
 

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I don't think bullpen management in any way led to the offense totally shitting the bed in the last month of the season. That was the reason for the September collapse.
I dunno.... there were a few games that just gutted the team. After the middle of August, the team F'in quit. Lots of injuries, players exhausted but I think you could see the air just get let out of the balloon. Again... I think this shit was on Cora as much as Bloom. Coach's responsibility is to keep the team focused and playing every out like it means something. The guy doesn't do that.... why should the players.
 

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I dunno.... there were a few games that just gutted the team. After the middle of August, the team F'in quit. Lots of injuries, players exhausted but I think you could see the air just get let out of the balloon. Again... I think this shit was on Cora as much as Bloom. Coach's responsibility is to keep the team focused and playing every out like it means something. The guy doesn't do that.... why should the players.
Because they're professionals who want to be pad their personal stats and get paid? If they're in the batters box, they might as well try their best instead of quitting and letting the pitcher make them look outclassed. I don't care how sad losing a bullpen game made them, there's no excuse to give up with the bat in your hands for an entire month.

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Because they're professionals who want to be pad their personal stats and get paid? If they're in the batters box, they might as well try their best instead of quitting and letting the pitcher make them look outclassed. I don't care how sad losing a bullpen game made them, there's no excuse to give up with the bat in your hands for an entire month.

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Totally agree. But those guys quit. It happens. Players are emotional too.
 

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I don't think bullpen management in any way led to the offense totally shitting the bed in the last month of the season. That was the reason for the September collapse.
Not only that, but all the short starts and bullpen games caught up to the bullpen. Cora had to strike a balance between trying to win games and trying to keep his relievers' arms intact.
 

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Not only that, but all the short starts and bullpen games caught up to the bullpen. Cora had to strike a balance between trying to win games and trying to keep his relievers' arms intact.
I thought the straw that broke the camel's back was going to TWO bullpen games in every rotation.
 

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Red Sox notes:

Triston Casas has the flu and will be away from the team for a few days.

Bryan Mata has a pulled right hamstring and will be sidelined.


The Mata news is interesting because that may give them some flexibility to start him on the IL/slow play his rehab to open up a bullpen spot of the 26-man.
Honestly was kinda hoping he would have a minor injury so he could rehab in AAA to see what they have. He’s likely to face more reality AB’s than any spring training game at all.
 

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Good thing Casas will have some time to recover if it’s actually the flu and not a cold. Hearing this year’s flu is exceptionally bad
 

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Just saw the lineup posted for today's ST game at Jet Blue vs the Tigers. Roman Anthony is in there batting 8th and playing CF with a bunch of starters at other positions. I watched him on Sunday in his 1st start and he really looks like he has an advanced approach when it comes to knowing the strike zone. It seems like the Sox want to see more against mlb pitching. Of all the prospects, he looks to be the closest to "untouchable".
 

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btw, Anthony is 2-2 today with a run scored. Good stuff.
Great stuff! What struck you about Anthony's approach? Seems a little early to be getting excited with ABs as you are working against pitchers who are working through their own goals instead of planning ABs against you. Was he able to catch a tricky secondary pitch in an odd place in an account?
 

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I totally forgot there were other Wander Francos. That's kinda gotta suck to be them these days.
 

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I totally forgot there were other Wander Francos. That's kinda gotta suck to be them these days.
I agree - but to clarify, they're all brothers.

Edit: The good player/morally bad Wander was born in 2001. Oldest Wander was born in 1994, topped out in A ball with the Royals/Giants. Middle Wander was born in 1996 and topped out in A ball with the Astros/Giants. In 2018, they were both in the Giants org, but did not play on the same team.

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Great stuff! What struck you about Anthony's approach? Seems a little early to be getting excited with ABs as you are working against pitchers who are working through their own goals instead of planning ABs against you. Was he able to catch a tricky secondary pitch in an odd place in an account?
What I was watching on Sunday was how he was calm at the plate and seemed to watch the pitch all the way to the catchers mitt. Some guys just look like they belong at an early age. Teel on the other hand was not as impressive looking in his debut. He seemed to be swinging out of his shoes even though he was early on pitches.
 

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What I was watching on Sunday was how he was calm at the plate and seemed to watch the pitch all the way to the catchers mitt. Some guys just look like they belong at an early age. Teel on the other hand was not as impressive looking in his debut. He seemed to be swinging out of his shoes even though he was early on pitches.
Clearly I know it's not going to happen, but how much more fun / optimistic would this season be if line up was:

Duran (L) - LF
Grissom (R) - 2b
Devers (L) - 3b
Casas (L) - 1b
Story (R) - SS
Yoshida (L) - DH
Wong (R) - C
Anthony (L) - RF
Rafaela (R) - CF


(More and more of the teams we consider "smart" are giving a lot of their top prospects very limited time in AA and AAA. Most notably Atl and SF. I get the reasons why it won't happen, etc, etc, but it's fun to be optimistic about something for the MLB team so this might as well be it.)
 
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Clearly I know it's not going to happen, but how much more fun / optimistic would this season be if line up was:

Duran (L) - LF
Grissom (R) - 2b
Devers (L) - 3b
Casas (L) - 1b
Story (R) - 2b
Yoshida (L) - DH
Wong (R) - C
Anthony (L) - RF
Rafaela (R) - CF


(More and more of the teams we consider "smart" are giving a lot of their top prospects very limited time in AA and AAA. Most notably Atl and SF. I get the reasons why it won't happen, etc, etc, but it's fun to be optimistic about something for the MLB team so this might as well be it.)
Can't decide if playing both Grissom and Story at 2B will help or hurt Devers' zone rating.

Kidding aside, it would be, but next year adding Teel, Mayer and Anthony will be just as fun, I hope.
 

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The team hasn’t traded those guys, though. If either or both shows they are ready for major league playing time, they will get it. It’s a long season, guys get hurt. I’d feel worse about a team that had Anthony and Rafaela locked into major league roles, frankly.
 

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Can't decide if playing both Grissom and Story at 2B will help or hurt Devers' zone rating.

Kidding aside, it would be, but next year adding Teel, Mayer and Anthony will be just as fun, I hope.
Can't we just combine their WAR into one uber 2b. That's the way it works, right?

The team hasn’t traded those guys, though. If either or both shows they are ready for major league playing time, they will get it. It’s a long season, guys get hurt. I’d feel worse about a team that had Anthony and Rafaela locked into major league roles, frankly.
Yeah, I know.

Honestly though - I wouldn't. Development time, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. I get it, I understand it.

Talking purely as a fan beyond rooting for the laundry regardless of how good (or not good) the players wearing it are, it'd be a heck of a lot more fun and interesting watching Duran in LF, Rafaela in CF and Anthony in RF as opposed to watching Yoshida butcher LF for whatever time he's out there, Duran be "ok" in CF and whatever at bats there are from O'Neill and Refsnyder in RF.
 

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What I was watching on Sunday was how he was calm at the plate and seemed to watch the pitch all the way to the catchers mitt. Some guys just look like they belong at an early age. Teel on the other hand was not as impressive looking in his debut. He seemed to be swinging out of his shoes even though he was early on pitches.
I am interested in Teel for his receiving skills which are suppose to be really good.
 

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I’m very excited about Anthony but am willing to wait a year . In the meantime I’m excited to see what O’Neill and Abreau can do. Fortunately, I don’t think we’ll be seeing too much of Yoshida in LF.
 

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Kenley Jansen seems sad:

“I just have to have the mindset that I need to get ready regardless, right?” Jansen told the Boston Globeon Wednesday. “So all the buzz that’s going on around me, all that stuff, it’s not time for me to focus on it.”

“The vision then, the vision now is totally different,” Jansen said of his decision to sign with the Red Sox ahead of last season. “But I can’t question myself, man. There is frustration because you have other options, but I think playing in Boston and being in Fenway is special, and I always wanted to experience that.”

https://nypost.com/2024/02/29/sports/kenley-jansen-sounds-miserable-waiting-for-red-sox-to-trade-him/
 

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I get that the team isn’t a likely World Series winner, but the defeatist attitude seems a bit much. They’ve got talent, anything can happen. Worse teams have made the playoffs. The woe is me stuff should disappear once they get to spring training; this ain’t the Oakland A’s.
 

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I get that the team isn’t a likely World Series winner, but the defeatist attitude seems a bit much. They’ve got talent, anything can happen. Worse teams have made the playoffs. The woe is me stuff should disappear once they get to spring training; this ain’t the Oakland A’s.
Context matters. I'm guessing he was asked how he's dealing with all of the trade rumors. He gave an honest answer. FWIW, from where I'm sitting it reads like he's trying to keep a positive outlook.
 

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This article from FanGraphs has Red Sox catchers among the weakest positional groups in the AL: Weakest Positions of American League Contenders

So you're saying we're contenders;)

The door is wide, wide open for Teel if he is ready to take that next step.
The same article has the Mariners weak in left field AND right field. And now their reliever Brash is out for the season. Can Duran and Jansen bring back a starting pitcher?
 

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I think he has the frustration most of us have. He was probably sold on competing for championships and the reality seems to be a cost first team that will be nowhere near the WS this year
 

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Context matters. I'm guessing he was asked how he's dealing with all of the trade rumors. He gave an honest answer. FWIW, from where I'm sitting it reads like he's trying to keep a positive outlook.
Yup. Trade rumors + the guy who signed you is gone = not such a fun time. And that's regardless of what the overall direction and prospects for the coming season are. I imagine it's a new place for a guy like Jansen. He probably never faced trade rumors while he was a Dodger. He signed a one-year deal with the Braves so he entered that spring comfortable. Now there's uncertainty for him. I can see how that would suck to deal with.
 

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Bailey in the Glob:
“I’m really expecting a lot of these guys to take steps forward to put themselves in good positions from an industry standpoint to make generational wealth for themselves through arbitration or free agency,” said the first-year Red Sox pitching coach.
I'm laughing to myself thinking of Bill Fischer, John Farrell or any other "good baseball man" pitching coach of days gone by saying this while the tobacco juice dribbles down their chin. (It's a great read overall. He's a pretty interesting guy)

Pitching coach Andrew Bailey is fully invested in the Red Sox staff (bostonglobe.com)
 

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Casas does have the flu. Duran, with his newly acquired blonde locks, is being held back until March 1 to help with his off-season surgery healing. Also Grissom encountered a slight hammy at the Story Camp in Texas, and is expected to start playing March 1.