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I just peeked into the NESN show tonight and saw parts of 2 interviews. I didn't recognize the first guy, but boy was he lively and positive about the pitching staff. I thought, Who is This Guy? He seemed too young to be a coach. It was Andrew Bailey, a fun guy to listen to. The other guy was Pivetta, and the interview would have been tons more interesting, Tom Caron, if you hadn't wanted to find out how the guys FEEL about the Netflix series. That's not what interests me, anyway.

The show from Fort Myers was preceded by a half-hour feature on Brayan Bello and his friends frolicking all over his part of the D.R., which seems like a paradise.
 
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I just peeked into the NESN show tonight and saw parts of 2 interviews. I didn't recognize the first guy, but boy was he lively and positive about the pitching staff. I thought, Who is This Guy? He seemed too young to be a coach. It was Andrew Bailey, a fun guy to listen to. The other guy was Pivetta, and the interview would have been tons more interesting, Tom Caron, if you hadn't wanted to find out how the guys FEEL about the Netflix series. That's not what interests me, anyway.

The show from Fort Myers was preceded by a half-hour feature on Brayan Bello and his friends frolicking all over his part of the D.R., which seems like a paradise.
Edit: I ought to have put this in the Sox forum. If any mod agrees, please move it there.
Moved to the Red Sox Forum.

After such a miserable offseason, anything different from offseason rumors has to be an improvement. Bring on stories of all the players arriving in the best shape of their lives!
 

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Speier in the Glob says that the Sox are "giving serious consideration" to starting the season with Ceddanne Rafaela in CF :
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/02/15/sports/ceddanne-rafaela-red-sox-center-field/
One year removed from fielding arguably the worst defense in baseball, the Sox seem to be giving serious consideration to opening the year with Rafaela as their primary center fielder.
Cora is open to the idea, but will wait and see how it goes in spring training.
Cora noted that other teams — the Phillies in promoting 22-year-old Johan Rojas from Double A to the big leagues last summer, as well as the Blue Jays with Kevin Kiermaier — have prioritized defense and been willing to live with offensive struggles from a bottom-of-the-order player. He suggested Rafaela might prompt a similar conversation.
“We’ll sit down as a group towards the end [of spring training] and decide what we want,” said Cora. “If we’re comfortable with a kid playing center field, understanding that there’s going to be struggles at the big league level in the offensive part of it, then we’ll go that way. If we feel that he needs to go to the minor leagues and keep getting better and keep improving, we’ll do that, too.”
Brez says something similar, that it's possible but TBD.
Some players benefit from the developmental challenge of being thrown into the deep end in the big leagues. Others do better when given a chance to marinate in Triple A. The Sox seemingly hope to use spring training to get a better feel for where Rafaela sits on that spectrum.
“I think it is pretty clear that Rafaela possesses the skills to be a game-changer on defense,” said Breslow. “I think we’ll see over the course of the next five or six weeks if the major leagues is the best environment for him or if additional time in Triple A is. I think it is to be determined.”
Sounds like this is a big spring for Ceddanne.
 

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While I'd love to see him develop successfully in Boston, I don't see how they're making room unless there's a Duran trade.

And regardless, they get an extra year of control keeping him in Worcester until May 16th, hard to believe they'd pass up on that.
 

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While I'd love to see him develop successfully in Boston, I don't see how they're making room unless there's a Duran trade.

And regardless, they get an extra year of control keeping him in Worcester until May 16th, hard to believe they'd pass up on that.
Well, Duran has options too. <ducks>

I agree that I don't see Rafaela fitting with the present roster absent injuries. All I get out of that report is they want to give him (and presumably others like Abreu and Valdez) a chance to earn a spot. They won't hand it to him and they won't deny it to him if he shows himself to be the best option. Basically, Cora's giving the generic cliché answer.
 

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While I'd love to see him develop successfully in Boston, I don't see how they're making room unless there's a Duran trade.

And regardless, they get an extra year of control keeping him in Worcester until May 16th, hard to believe they'd pass up on that.
A story I read a day or two ago had Cora close to conceding that Yoshida would be getting the majority of his PAs at DH. That opens up the OF a bit.
I get the extra year argument, but: 1) I don't think he's going to be *that* good a hitter to where it will matter; and 2) 40 or so games of balls that could be caught actually getting caught will likely make me feel good help the pitching staff get off to a better start. I've never been a major league pitcher......but it *has* to be pretty hard to "just throw strikes" (i.e., balls that can be hit) when you have no confidence in the defense. There's legitimate concern that the pitching staff hasn't changed much. Story and Rafaela from Opening Day could go a long way toward helping achieve some positive change without personnel change.
 

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Even so though, an O'Neill/Abreu/Duran OF with Refsnyder backup is already better defensively than last year and will likely get them through the first month and a half adequately, at which point Rafaela can move up and take the place of whoever isn't hitting (my money's on Duran).
 

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Even so though, an O'Neill/Abreu/Duran OF with Refsnyder backup is already better defensively than last year and will likely get them through the first month and a half adequately, at which point Rafaela can move up and take the place of whoever isn't hitting (my money's on Duran).
Thats fair.
I think I just come down on the side of "how about getting more than 'adequate' or 'better than last year' somewhere in the lineup." Seeing as how they haven't appeared to have dramatically improved the offense or pitching, Rafaela seems like he might be a positive weapon defensively. (Though it might be offset by bad offense).
 

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Even so though, an O'Neill/Abreu/Duran OF with Refsnyder backup is already better defensively than last year and will likely get them through the first month and a half adequately, at which point Rafaela can move up and take the place of whoever isn't hitting (my money's on Duran).
Damn, but that sounds more like a lineup of New York Yankees to me than it does Red Sox. Other than Duran, of course, unless you're old enough to remember Ryne*.


* yes, I know it was Duren
 

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And regardless, they get an extra year of control keeping him in Worcester until May 16th, hard to believe they'd pass up on that.
Don't forget that in the last CBA, they tried to cut down on teams doing this by awarding an extra first round pick if a top 100 prospect both stays on the team all season from Opening Day and wins Rookie of the Year.

So if BOS thinks Rafaela has even a small chance to win ROY, he could make the team Opening Day because of this new rule (I am sure this was a big reason why NY utilized Volpe the way they did last season, never sending him down or benching him no matter how much he struggled).
 

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I've been touting Rafaela all winter and I am glad to hear they are giving him every shot. I know his approach needs some work, but I just don't think the pitchers at AAA have what it takes to FORCE him to adjust it down there, and I think both him and the team benefit far more from him playing every day in CF in Boston than either would be served with him being in Worcester to start the year.

Especially with it looking like they want Yoshida to be the primary DH, you can make an outfield of Duran/Rafaela/O'Neil/Abreu work in a lot of different ways and get everyone playing time. This obviously leaves Refsnyder as the odd man out but he can be traded or dumped easily enough when it becomes necessary to do so.
 

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I don’t want to knock a young guy over one play, but my lasting memory of Rafaela is watching him absolutely butcher a fly ball against Toronto to give them a win. It happens, but the whole thing looked clumsy. The read, the angle, the panic, all gave off the vibe that he had never seen a fly ball before. Every analyst I have seen describes him as a game changing center fielder. Is the general opinion that he currently is a game changing center fielder or that he will likely grow into one.
 

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I've been touting Rafaela all winter and I am glad to hear they are giving him every shot. I know his approach needs some work, but I just don't think the pitchers at AAA have what it takes to FORCE him to adjust it down there, and I think both him and the team benefit far more from him playing every day in CF in Boston than either would be served with him being in Worcester to start the year.

Especially with it looking like they want Yoshida to be the primary DH, you can make an outfield of Duran/Rafaela/O'Neil/Abreu work in a lot of different ways and get everyone playing time. This obviously leaves Refsnyder as the odd man out but he can be traded or dumped easily enough when it becomes necessary to do so.
Listen I love Rafaela. But to say “the approach needs work” is a gross understatement of how horrendous his approach is.

Major league pitchers will eat him alive if he doesn’t greatly improve his out of zone swing %.
 

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I don’t want to knock a young guy over one play, but my lasting memory of Rafaela is watching him absolutely butcher a fly ball against Toronto to give them a win. It happens, but the whole thing looked clumsy. The read, the angle, the panic, all gave off the vibe that he had never seen a fly ball before. Every analyst I have seen describes him as a game changing center fielder. Is the general opinion that he currently is a game changing center fielder or that he will likely grow into one.
He’ll be a top 5 defensive center fielder day 1 if he’s in the majors.

He’s incredible
 

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Listen I love Rafaela. But to say “the approach needs work” is a gross understatement of how horrendous his approach is.

Major league pitchers will eat him alive if he doesn’t greatly improve his out of zone swing %.
I absolutely agree. But I just don't think that pitchers in AAA are going to be good enough to make him miss at the junk he swings at enough to get him to actually be able to make strong improvements at the AAA level. I think he really needs to be facing top level pitching to be forced into that, because while the approach is dreadful, the skill is too high for it to crush him that much in AAA.

2024 will probably be a painful offensive season if he spends in in Boston, but I think it will do more for his future (assuming the team is honest and realistic with the expectations on him) than another year of crushing shitty pitchers in AAA.
 

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This reminds me of when they opened the season with Bradley in 2013. His defense was already superb but he was overmatched at the plate for practically a whole season's worth of PAs across three seasons. I agree that working on pitch selection at the AAA level, where the competition isn't executing its best stuff, isn't likely to help.
 

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Don't forget that in the last CBA, they tried to cut down on teams doing this by awarding an extra first round pick if a top 100 prospect both stays on the team all season from Opening Day and wins Rookie of the Year.

So if BOS thinks Rafaela has even a small chance to win ROY, he could make the team Opening Day because of this new rule (I am sure this was a big reason why NY utilized Volpe the way they did last season, never sending him down or benching him no matter how much he struggled).
I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell of hitting well enough this year to make ROY, and I'd be ecstatic if he was merely competent enough to be in the conversation. Has ROY ever gone to a defense-first OF? Seems unlikely.
 

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It’s such a fine line for young flawed hitters like Rafaela. Go to AAA where the pitching isn’t advanced enough to let him work on his flaws, vs playing in the majors where it is almost universally agreed that the pitchers are going to torture him based on his weaknesses. If he continually gets overwhelmed at the plate, and has high strike out rates, ineffective at bats, and gets booed, can he keep from mentally breaking..does he take his offensive struggles out to the field with him?
 

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Fascinating thing to me about Rafaela is that there's all these concerns about the out of zone swing percentage - and they're legitimate concerns - and yet his K rate never really ballooned past 20% until, of course, he hit the majors, and struck out a ton in limited time. I'm guessing a lot of that just has to do with major league pitchers being better at exploiting that weakness but he had a pretty incredible ability to avoid K's even given how much he was swinging in the minors. Interested to see how that develops in the bigs. I wouldnt be surprised to see him be quite a lot like Bichette in a year or two.

He'll be a major leaguer because of the glove alone, regardless.
 

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Fascinating thing to me about Rafaela is that there's all these concerns about the out of zone swing percentage - and they're legitimate concerns - and yet his K rate never really ballooned past 20% until, of course, he hit the majors, and struck out a ton in limited time. I'm guessing a lot of that just has to do with major league pitchers being better at exploiting that weakness but he had a pretty incredible ability to avoid K's even given how much he was swinging in the minors. Interested to see how that develops in the bigs. I wouldnt be surprised to see him be quite a lot like Bichette in a year or two.

He'll be a major leaguer because of the glove alone, regardless.
The reporting last year was that he was quick enough to get to lots of stuff (including things he shouldn't be swinging at) but that didn't mean good contact.
 

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The reporting last year was that he was quick enough to get to lots of stuff (including things he shouldn't be swinging at) but that didn't mean good contact.
Makes sense, on the other hand, it sure as hell seems like he was making good contact in AAA. The numbers are weaker in AA, substantially so, obviously. But I'm optimistic about his ability to give us a wrc+ of around 100. Maybe that's silly of me.
 

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Fascinating thing to me about Rafaela is that there's all these concerns about the out of zone swing percentage - and they're legitimate concerns - and yet his K rate never really ballooned past 20% until, of course, he hit the majors, and struck out a ton in limited time. I'm guessing a lot of that just has to do with major league pitchers being better at exploiting that weakness but he had a pretty incredible ability to avoid K's even given how much he was swinging in the minors. Interested to see how that develops in the bigs. I wouldnt be surprised to see him be quite a lot like Bichette in a year or two.

He'll be a major leaguer because of the glove alone, regardless.
That sounds more like a description of Javier Baez. Their numbers in the minors are comparable.

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More power for Baez, but also more strikeouts.

Maybe Rafaela will be a useful player through his 20s when he's able to make up for his poor strike zone judgment with coordination. But you have to be willing to cut bait on him quickly because he's going to fall off a cliff.
 

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This reminds me of when they opened the season with Bradley in 2013. His defense was already superb but he was overmatched at the plate for practically a whole season's worth of PAs across three seasons. I agree that working on pitch selection at the AAA level, where the competition isn't executing its best stuff, isn't likely to help.
Totally get where you're coming from on this - and I agree that AAA pitching isn't good enough to make Rafaela adjust, so he won't get anything out of being down there. I hope he's up to start the year because then I can see a path to a markedly improved defense (for whatever that's worth).

However, I think the major difference between that situation (Bradley Jr) and Rafaela's is where you'd be asking them to play and the upgrades (or not) that would be talking about defensively.



Bradley Jr came up early in 2013 and played in LF to start the year because you already had somewhere between a really good to slightly above average defensive CF (Ellsbury) and a had just signed an excellent defensive RF (Victorino) as well as someone that looked like a capable LF (at least offensively) in Nava - who was sneaky awesome in 2013 putting up a 2.9 bWAR that year, and had buttressed that by just acquiring Carp and Gomes. That outfield was already pretty well put together.

Not to mention you had the most important player in franchise history anchoring the line up at DH, Pedroia at 2b, along with adding Napoli at 1b.

The other side is that this OF offensively is basically nothing but question marks (Duran, Abreu) and meh (O'Neill, Refnsyder) and a decent hitting LF that can't play defense (Yoshida).

Bradley Jr in 2013 wasn't playing the position where he had the most value and you had someone likely to be decent (Nava) at the position where JBJr was being placed, as well as having an OF platoon from a L/R split with Carp and Gomes to in essence back up Nava.

The flip side is that really you don't have any certainty in the OF and certainly nothing close to that good defensively. Also, Gomes at least was a far more proven and consistent hitter at that point to O'Neill and Carp was a LH bet better version of Refnsyder.

So Rafaela, even though the offense would of course be suspect, would be drastically upgrading CF (Duran to Rafaela), allowing a subsequent drastic upgrading of LF (Yoshida to Duran) and cutting down the questions in RF (you'd just need ONE of Abreu / O'Neill to be decent, not both).


(Crazy to think that Daniel Nava's 2013 with a 2.9 bWAR would have made him the 2nd most valuable offensive player and 4th best player overall on the 2023 Red Sox. On the 2013 team, he was 9th (overall and 7th offensively). Of course, he also ranked ahead of Lester and Lackey which is a fly in the ointment as to how impactful WAR truly is - ie no way do I think he was more impactful to that team than Lester and Lackey - but I digress...)
 
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While I'd love to see him develop successfully in Boston, I don't see how they're making room unless there's a Duran trade.

And regardless, they get an extra year of control keeping him in Worcester until May 16th, hard to believe they'd pass up on that.
Masa trade and put Duran in LF

you’d presumably get a better quality pitcher, no?

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That sounds more like a description of Javier Baez. Their numbers in the minors are comparable.

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More power for Baez, but also more strikeouts.

Maybe Rafaela will be a useful player through his 20s when he's able to make up for his poor strike zone judgment with coordination. But you have to be willing to cut bait on him quickly because he's going to fall off a cliff.
I'd be thrilled with that result.

We haven't had a player come up through the system with defense as a carrying tool since Bradley and Betts, have we? Wong, I guess, but he's really only good at catching would-be thieves. Bogie was good but he was never a superlative defender. I have some faith Rafaela will have years where he's good offensively and years where he's not, but if the D is real he'll be a 2-3+ win player with 5+ potential.
 

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Masa trade and put Duran in LF
Masa is signed for $18.6 million a year from 2024 through 2027 ($74.4M) with arbitration eligibility in 2028 and free agency in 2029. The Sox will either have to pick up one or more players equaling that salary or throw in cash or high-rated prospect(s) to get teh trade done. Probably not an easy move.
 

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Speaking of Masa and other players, which ones have reported so far, besides pitchers and catchers? Please, let's not discuss trading players and what not in the ST thread. There are so many other threads to do that in.
 

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Speaking of Masa and other players, which ones have reported so far, besides pitchers and catchers? Please, let's not discuss trading players and what not in the ST thread. There are so many other threads to do that in.
Pretty sure that Story, Grissom and Rafaela all have.

Tomase had a good article on Story yesterday that made it sound a lot like he was there and working. https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/trevor-story-sparks-culture-reset-emerges-as-badly-needed-red-sox-leader/588166/

Same with a lot of the articles on Grissom and comments about him that make it certainly sound like he's there working out. https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/02/15/red-sox-alex-cora-xander-bogaerts-vaughn-grissom-spring-training/

Rafaela - https://theathletic.com/5279044/2024/02/16/boston-red-sox-ceddanne-rafaela/

Which is great because a) the team desperately needs a leader - Story and b) I think two of the most important developments for this year are to see how Grissom and Rafaela do, so good to know they're at camp early.


Masa is signed for $18.6 million a year from 2024 through 2027 ($74.4M) with arbitration eligibility in 2028 and free agency in 2029. The Sox will either have to pick up one or more players equaling that salary or throw in cash or high-rated prospect(s) to get teh trade done. Probably not an easy move.
Just as a quick note, pretty sure that Yoshida (and all posted players) do not have the arb eligibility tied to their last years at the end of a contract. They sign a FA contract and aren't subject to the 6 years of control. This came up with Kim last year (BBRef had him arb eligible also at the end of the deal, and I was corrected that he was a free agent at the end of his deal, pretty sure the same applies to Yoshida).
 

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Pete Abraham mentioned Yorke, Dalbec, Valdez, Duran, Abreu, Rafaela, and O'Neill as being there a couple of days ago.
 

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Just as a quick note, pretty sure that Yoshida (and all posted players) do not have the arb eligibility tied to their last years at the end of a contract. They sign a FA contract and aren't subject to the 6 years of control. This came up with Kim last year (BBRef had him arb eligible also at the end of the deal, and I was corrected that he was a free agent at the end of his deal, pretty sure the same applies to Yoshida).
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/y/yoshima02.shtml#all_br-salaries

Just going by what is listed in bb-ref.
 

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I don't think he has a snowball's chance in hell of hitting well enough this year to make ROY, and I'd be ecstatic if he was merely competent enough to be in the conversation. Has ROY ever gone to a defense-first OF? Seems unlikely.
Not sure if the conversation has moved way past this, but ROY odds per FanDuel:

Carter +280
Holliday +400
Langford +750
Keithe +1,000
Caminero +1,000
Schanuel +1,300
Manzardo +1,800
Meadows +2,000
Hancock +2,000
Kjerstad +2,500
Mead +2,500
Cowser +3,500
4 guys at +5,000
Rafaela and 4 other guys at +7,500
Mayer +10,000
4 guys at +20,000
 

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Pretty sure that Story, Grissom and Rafaela all have.

Tomase had a good article on Story yesterday that made it sound a lot like he was there and working. https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/mlb/boston-red-sox/trevor-story-sparks-culture-reset-emerges-as-badly-needed-red-sox-leader/588166/

Same with a lot of the articles on Grissom and comments about him that make it certainly sound like he's there working out. https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/02/15/red-sox-alex-cora-xander-bogaerts-vaughn-grissom-spring-training/

Rafaela - https://theathletic.com/5279044/2024/02/16/boston-red-sox-ceddanne-rafaela/

Which is great because a) the team desperately needs a leader - Story and b) I think two of the most important developments for this year are to see how Grissom and Rafaela do, so good to know they're at camp early.




Just as a quick note, pretty sure that Yoshida (and all posted players) do not have the arb eligibility tied to their last years at the end of a contract. They sign a FA contract and aren't subject to the 6 years of control. This came up with Kim last year (BBRef had him arb eligible also at the end of the deal, and I was corrected that he was a free agent at the end of his deal, pretty sure the same applies to Yoshida).
Thanks for those links. I couldn't read the herald, but could the other two. I wonder/fret about this from nbc sports:
Rafael Devers does not yet qualify from a maturity standpoint, and so the clubhouse leadership void gapes like a chasm, serving as another reminder of the terrible team-building approach that has neglected the big-league club at the expense of an uncertain future.
 

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"Gapes like a chasm"? I'm having trouble taking anyone who writes like that seriously.
 

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Sounds worse than "gaping like a pothole," but not as worrisome as "gaping like those giant craters on the moon you can see without a telescope..."
 

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"Gapes like a chasm"? I'm having trouble taking anyone who writes like that seriously.
Tomase shouldn’t be taken seriously by anyone until he finds that walkthrough tape. The fact that a media outlet actually employs him after that debacle tells you everything you need to know about the state of the media these days.
 

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Devers doesn't concern me from a "leadership" standpoint.

I think of him like a less disruptive / not quite as good Manny Ramirez. He doesn't have to be a team leader. He needs to be a roughly 130 OPS+ hitter that you can pencil in for 30hr and 100rbi. Maybe try and stink a little less at 3b. I feel very confident in him carrying the offensive side of things, and would love to have him (at his current contract) as the DH of the Red Sox. He is incredibly far down the list of things that are wrong with the team (truth be told, if he were a DH, or could be just slightly below average at 3b, he wouldn't be on there at all).


Though Story is overpaid, I really do like the infield on this team a great deal. Casas, Devers and Grissom are the 3 pieces I think of as core building blocks to the team (Bello is the 4th) that I wouldn't trade in any realistic scenario. Story, I'd rather have the money back (but then I'd want to sign him at a deal of something like 4/$75m, if that makes sense). He's a good baseball player. He's just overpaid.
 

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"Gapes like a chasm"? I'm having trouble taking anyone who writes like that seriously.
I also don't understand why Devers needs to be a "clubhouse leader" at all. Not every player is cut out to lead and that doesn't mean they aren't a valuable and essential part of the team. Players being the longest tenured or the highest paid or the best player on the roster don't automatically also have to be leaders of said roster. I don't really see that as an indictment of the roster building. By all accounts, Trevor Story seems to be trying to assume the role of veteran leader. I don't see why that's a bad thing.

I recall a story I read in Yaz's autobiography about how he was voted team captain in 1965 or there abouts and he was entirely uncomfortable with it. He didn't see himself as a leader (even though he was definitely the best player on the team) and didn't want it. When Dick Williams took over, he removed the captaincy from Yaz because he didn't believe in the need for it, and Yaz was fine with it. Later in his career, when he was more experienced and ready for it, he took on the captain mantle again. Devers might be in that first stage and who knows if he'll ever be comfortable reaching that latter stage like Yaz did.
 

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Though Story is overpaid, I really do like the infield on this team a great deal. Casas, Devers and Grissom are the 3 pieces I think of as core building blocks to the team (Bello is the 4th) that I wouldn't trade in any realistic scenario. Story, I'd rather have the money back (but then I'd want to sign him at a deal of something like 4/$80m, if that makes sense). He's a good baseball player. He's just overpaid.
He's basically on the deal you want. We have him for four more years at a $23.3 AAV, and then a club option for a fifth season. So 4/$93 instead of 4/$80.

If he's overpaid, it's not by much.
 

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A Giolito who bounces back has the personality and personal journey to be a team leader type.

He's been through some struggles: he's been the worst qualified starting pitcher in the league and followed it up with a pair of top-10 CY finishes. If he bounces back like we all hope from his gruesome 2023, he'll have been through that wringer twice and shown some crazy resilience. That's a good guy to have around, vibes-wise.
 

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I think Pivetta has a chance to step into more of a leadership role as well. He pitches with an emotion that is contagious. He accepted his demotion to the bullpen last year with grace and went out and basically dominated instead of pouting and moping around. He pitched 8 2/3 and struck out 11 and got a win in the ALDS against the Rays in 2021, then went 5 innings of 2 hit ball in his only start against Houston. I think he's got the respect of a lot of the guys in that clubhouse. I'd be happy if they extended him.
 

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Pivetta will certainly be interesting to watch this year. You would think there would be some mutual interest about an extension this spring training. I wonder if 3/48 (a little more than Lugo for example) for 2025-27 would do it. Probably not. If he starts the season without a contract, it seems a good bet he will be dealt by the deadline.
 

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He's basically on the deal you want. We have him for four more years at a $23.3 AAV, and then a club option for a fifth season. So 4/$93 instead of 4/$80.

If he's overpaid, it's not by much.
Yeah, for some reason I have him in mind as 4/$100m remaining (I think because he's paid $25m in actual money for the next 4 years, and I just looked at that). You'd probably have to overpay a good player to come to Boston right now too (and Story is a very good player) since you're talking about a rebuild, so lets just say "I'm glad he's here" so it doesn't go down a road of transactions in this thread.

I also admit that I'm kind of a sucker for the "team leader / Camp Story" stuff. Ultimately, it's root for the laundry (and of course I'd take a better player that was kind of a jerk - obviously to a certain level), but it's nice to root for guys that seem like good teammates as well as good baseball players. Story seems like that.

FWIW, you don't have to sell me on Giolito either. The only thing I "dislike" about him is that it's 1 yr / $20m (for Sox control) and not 5/$120m, but of course you can't force the player to sign a contract. I'm a fan of the player, and think he's going to do well here and get a really good prospect package in July.