Geez, 3 guys in a row have pulled hammies. Question: when does a Tackle or a guard need to run full speed for 40 yards? Is there a real game situation that a 40 yard dash is realistically meant to replicate?
2024 NFL Draft Combine
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So for group 2 arm lengths:
FIsher- 34 3/8
Foster 34 5/8
Paul 36 2/8
Rosengarten 33 2/8
Saumataia 34 2/8
Your OT RAS king is gloriously 80's curly blonde mulletted Frank Crum. Amarius Mims had a weirdly low vertical, otherwise he'd be close.
Short Shuttle is considered by some the best drill for O-line.... Mims put up a 4.33. Lowest overall was a 4.28 by guard Tanor Bortolini. next lowest tackle was Joe Alt at 4.51.
Overall a ridiculously athletic OT class, other than Latham, all the 1st/early 2nd contenders were at or above 9.00 RAS.
11.25 hand is nuts. Pickett’s red flag was that he isn’t even 9. Mahomes 9.25
edit: afaik, combine is thumb tip to pinky tip outstretched which is different than how I think it is in boxing (wrist to middle finger tip)
It looks like a lot of the tackles PFN had projected in the 2nd and 3rd have longer than 34 and some of the ones they have in the first are shorter. Will that make a meaningful difference to where they actually go now?
Arm length is really important but Rashawn Slater and Joe Thomas have <34 inch arms. As did Wynn, Light and Vollmer (just for context)
I don’t know that arms between 33-34 are going to knock anyone significantly down the board, although perhaps it’s a deciding factor between two otherwise equal talents on a particular team’s board.
Sub 33” would be where I think you’d see guys perhaps get viewed at as guard material or potentially devalued noticeably
If the Patriots drafted an inferior offensive lineman because he had longer arms I'd be furious. Take the better player. If a guy can block, he can block.
Isn't half the battle of evaluating projecting how they do in the NFL? And a huge part of projecting these days is data such as arm length for tackles?
I'm not saying it isn't helpful data. I'm saying I'd take the guy who blocks better even if his arms are shorter. There have been lots of great NFL offensive linemen without long arms.
But also: I'm just a guy at a keyboard, and I don't do this for a living. So what do I know?
You might not know much, but you probably do know more than me. But... they don't really know who blocks better. They know how he did against who he faced while being coached and trained by the best their program could do.
But in any case, I was led to believe over the years that short arms and being great at tackle in the NFL don't often coincide. Like for some reason I thought this one was really predictive.
Paul is going to intrigue a lot of teams. Those measurables are up there with Orlando Pace and recent FA Tyron Smith.
Sub 33 is usually the bigger one. Most top tackles have arms over 34 in, however there have been some good ones in the 33s (most in the upper half) basically none under 33". under 34 isn't some "can't play tackle" line (though some teams may say so), but it's usually a red flag that needs to be overcome, or may indicate a guy who while he can play OT might be a better fit at G. Under 33".... you'll need to show some really special tape, and even then... might be a "could play tackle but not at an elite level, but maybe could be an elite guard".
When measuring for shirt size, you measure from the middle of the neck to the top of the shoulder and then down the arm.
36-37" dress shirts are pretty standard for a tall guy. 38-39" for really tall guys.
These offensive linemen are having just their arms measured, not the space from their neck to shoulder.
These guys are way way bigger than you.
They're probably getting custom shirts made with 42" or longer in sleeves by the typical shirt measurements.
I worked in custom suits, and actually have sold the clothing for several linemen draft picks.
They look ridiculous in 38.5" sleeves, with a lot of wrist showing. But that was the longest sleeve we had in stock, and this was before NIL made custom not too big of an expense. It's really hard to wrap your mind around a guy wearing a 62 extra long suit, and needing the armholes expanded so they can get their ridiculous arms in.
Meanwhile, they're having the pants taken in 10" around the waist, because something with the right waist has nowhere near the room needed for the thigh. College weight rooms turn already genetically big men, especially linemen, into freakishly large people.
These guys are spending hundreds of dollars on tailoring for fairly well fitted off the rack clothing to make it presentable.
I appreciate the response. I figured there might be a difference in the way the combine is measuring arms.
There truly is a SoSH expert for everything and then all the lawyers too.
There truly is a SoSH expert for everything and then all the lawyers too.
