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Pre-combine, which players are you higher on than the consensus?

  • QB JJ McCarthy: I've talked about him plenty. If Williams & Daniels go 1st and 2nd, I'd take him over Maye. He reminds me a lot of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal and I think this Packer Way group is going to really like him. He projects to be a great fit for a West Coast offense. I really look forward to watching him throw at the combine and seeing what his measurements come in as.
  • RB Jaylen Wright: I'm not exactly on an island with this one as Dane Brugler has him in the back-end of his top 100. Wright is really explosive and has good size; he was a fun watch. He feels like a RB that the Cleveland Browns would like.
  • WR Luke McCaffrey: 6'2, big hands, athletic, tough. I think his best football is ahead of him and fits the Height/Weight/Speed prototype Wolf mentioned yesterday. Slot and perimeter versatility.
  • TE Tanner McLachlan: He might be TE3 for me, which is waaaay higher than consensus. A former WR who moves really well and naturally catches the ball. Shows some toughness blocking and played in a really good Arizona scheme. I'll be interested to see his official measurements. Looked a bit lanky on tape.
  • OL Blake Fisher: Another guy who was in Brugler's top 100 but I still think he's getting slept on. Alt got all the attention (and I love Alt), but Fisher is really good too. Really powerful and can move his feet. I see starting LT/RT potential.
  • DL Jaylen Hall: A deeper sleeper for me; 6'3 5/8, 251#. He destroyed Roger Rosengarten in the national championship game (and RR is a rally good OT). He's got some tools to work with but didn't always seems to have a pass rush plan.
  • LB JD Bertrand: Whenever I watched Notre Dame, #27 popped. Good instinctive football player who should have ST value. Can't help but get Drue Tranquill vibes.
  • CB Jarvis Brownlee Jr: One of the most fun players in the class; he plays with rare physicality. He's not a H/W/S prototype at 5'10 5/8, 183#, but he plays like if Marcus Smart were a CB. Bill was always fine with sub-5'11 CBs playing outside but I don't know if the new regime will carry that over.
 

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QB: Probably nobody? I like the top 3, I'm meh on McCarthy, down on Penix/NIx... thought I might be higher on Rattler as a mid 3rd to mid 4th lotto ticket... but seems he's there and rising.
RB: I was going to say Benson since PFF has him as RB10 but consensus bigboard has him RB1 so.. I'll go Ray Davis 5'8" 220lbs fire hydrant build but a good pass catcher, not a home run guy but a valuable NFL player.
WR: Jalen McMillan- injury and Odunze breakout made him a forgotten man, but guy has decent size (6'1 195ish), speed (we'll see what he runs) I like his routes mostly... feel like he's a potential steal where he's getting projected (100ish?)
TE: I like McLachlan too, but I'll go Theo Johnson from PSU 6'6" 260ish protype size, rumors he might run sub 4.5, not used much at PSU, but just all kinds of potential, supposedly had a great SB practice week.
OL: Roger Rosengarten WAS good size 6'5" 312, he needs work but I think he's falling because he got his ass kicked by UM in the title game. Probably should have gone back to school, but could be a nice development tackle later in the draft (I know Brandon Thorn likes him)
DL/Edge: Jonah Elliss, 6'2" 246, father and like half a dozen brothers played in the NFL (including Christian who the Patriots signed last year off waivers)
LB: Nobody has really popped to me yet... I like Colson but he's properly ranked
DB: CAm Hart... he looked impressive in Senior Bowl clips, great size at 6'3" high 70s wingspan. Will have to see what he runs but big and strong looked good against some good WRs.
 

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LB JD Bertrand: Whenever I watched Notre Dame, #27 popped. Good instinctive football player who should have ST value. Can't help but get Drue Tranquill vibes.
+1 on Bertrand. 3 year starter, 2 year captain, had a really strong Senior Bowl. The measurables will be key for him - Does he have enough physical talent to play the versatile, do-everything role he had at ND? Or is he going to be a core special teams guy with a specific LB niche to fill? Either way, definitely seems like the kind of hard worker and highly coachable player that will grow into the roles the coaches ask him to play.

Also keen on Payton Wilson. He was a star lacrosse player in high school, so you know he would have been high on BB's board. Excellent size and measurables (we'll see if the combine confirms those), but he's also one of the oldest players in the draft. There's not as much development upside. He's great in space both reading plays to get to the ball as well as in pass coverage duties. Will have to improve play strength and technique to be effective against the run - he wasn't a good stack & shed guy, he wants to have space to move and react. The biggest question will be his medicals - he had 2 medical redshirt seasons (hence the age) due to surgeries in a knee and both shoulders. The knee seems fine given his speed and agility on the field, but are the shoulders limiting his ability to handle blockers? Does everything look clean in there? Could be a high floor day 3 pick that's an immediate contributor in nickel & dime packages.
 
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I'm not a draft savant so I'm keeping most to who I've seen a lot of:

LB: Trevin Wallace, Kentucky. #11 on Feldman's Freaks list. From a size perspective, almost exactly a Mack Wilson clone. 4* coming out of high school. This guy's measurables are expected to pop at the combine and some are speculating that he'll go from a mid-round pick to early (think I saw a mock where the Steelers pick him in the first). I absolutely love this guy.
From Feldman: The former high school track star — who once jumped 23-4 1/4 inches to break a school record that stood for 44 years and also won the state weightlifting title with a 335-pound power clean — is now up to 242 pounds, but still runs 22 MPH on the GPS and vertical-jumps 38.5 inches. His power clean is now up to 380 and he squats almost 600.

OL: Christian Mahogany, BC. He's going to be another very solid BC lineman in the NFL. Tore ACL two years ago and BC's struggles without him were glaring.

OL: Kyle Hergel, BC. Not invited to the combine but was listed last year as #62 on Bruce Feldman's Freaks list. Don't think he's expected to go until the later rounds as of now but likely his pro day at BC will be huge for him.
From Feldman: "The Eagles’ offensive line was gutted last year by injuries, but it should be pretty nasty in 2023; this powerful Canadian should really help. He was an All-Sun Belt third team player for Texas State last year and also PFF All-Sun Belt first team pick. At 6-2 1/2, 315 pounds, he did a 756-pound box squat and could’ve done more with ease, his coaches say. He bench-pressed 478 and could do more in that, too. His NordBord Force Production score was 821.5 N of Force, which is 2.6 times his body weight. Anything over 2.0 is considered excellent. His Hatfield split squat is 445 pounds at .87 m/s that is 1.56x his body weight. "
 
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Not binkies per se but Ray Davis, Michael Pratt, Dom Puni, Mason McCormick, Eyabi Okie-Anoma and Dylan Laube are l guys I could see being solid pros and later round picks
 

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Cade Stover, TE, Ohio State

Johnny Wilson, WR, Florida State
Jamari Thrash, WR, Louisville

Will Shipley, RB, Clemson

James Williams, LB, Miami
 

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Not binkies per se but Ray Davis, Michael Pratt, Dom Puni, Mason McCormick, Eyabi Okie-Anoma and Dylan Laube are l guys I could see being solid pros and later round picks
I second Michael Pratt (Tulane) and Dylan Laube (UNH)— mostly because I went to both schools.
I’d love to know what some of the better versed player evaluators on this board think of these two.
 

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It will be interesting to see what Jalen Coker WR Holy Cross runs at the combine assuming he runs. Had a good week at the Shrine Bowl and you have to love this answer:
What is my NFL team getting if they spend a draft pick on you this year?
You are getting a hard worker that is always going to be dedicated to his craft. A guy that will play special teams and will block, the things that nobody else wants to do. Whenever I get my opportunity, I'm going to make the most of it. I'm going to be a guy that is hard to keep off of the field.
Coker and Javon Baker are a couple day 3 WRs I'll be paying attention to. The latter lead all WR in this class in YPC at 21.9. for UCF.
 

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Unfortunately, the Junior Colson hype train just got a bit more crowded. Daniel Jeremiah has bumped him up to #43 on his prospect list. Here's a snip:

A starter in all three of his seasons at Michigan, Colson was a mainstay on an elite defense that carried the Wolverines to three straight College Football Playoff appearances, culminating in the program's first national championship in 26 years. Offering an enticing mix of size, physicality, athleticism and green-dot instincts, the linebacker seems to be picking up steam in prospect rankings, including those of Daniel Jeremiah, who just bumped Colson up to No. 43 on his updated big board. Frankly, though, the 21-year-old's on-field prowess pales in comparison to his off-field resilience.

"I survived an earthquake, I survived different things, I survived both my parents passing away," Colson said. "I don't think there's anything that somebody could throw at me that I'm not ready for."
 

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WR: Johnny Wilson. Love a big receiver, and he's huge! Also moves pretty well for a building.
RB: Audric Estime. Tough, powerful, smart. Great pass blocker and occasional receiving threat too.
OL: Christian Mahogany. Bullies and craters guys, BC was not the same team when he was off the field.
 
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Malachi Corley. I thought it was cliche for a team needing explosiveness, but I haven’t seen his name mentioned yet.

His highlight tape is unreal. Potentially a better Deebo Samuel — can outrun coverage and break through tackles.

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He’s a dynamic playmaker and tough as nails but I’m curious to see how he runs at the combine. I don’t know whether or not he has the first step burst or long speed needed to be a high end player like Samuel.

I think he’ll be a productive pro but not sure about his upside against top end corners
 
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I second Michael Pratt (Tulane) and Dylan Laube (UNH)— mostly because I went to both schools.
I’d love to know what some of the better versed player evaluators on this board think of these two.
Pratt is interesting because he’s kind of the opposite of most 3rd/4th tier QB’s who tend to be raw toolsy guys who flash elite ability but never really consistently put it together. He’s more like Purdy (not saying he will be the next Purdy) insofar as he is just a productive, tough, smart and fairly consistent QB with no obvious elite traits but few horrible glaring weaknesses. His arm strength is mediocre, and some mechanics issues which a good QB coach might be able to fix but the rest of his game looks solid. I think he’s a good bet to kick around the league as a solid backup or spot starter with the potential to be a mid tier starter if he’s in a good situation. He doesn’t really create enough on his own to ever have high end starting ability but I could seem him having some useful years. Kind of a Brissett or Minshew type career

Laube is a typical small school change of pace guy. Usually they don’t translate well to the pros but I think he has a shot to be a useful part of a rotation in a pass heavy scheme. Could be a Kevin Faulk or Woodhead type, a guy you can use on return teams, line up in the slot, use on screens and draws etc. He has some polish in the receiving game and I think he could be pretty dangerous if you can find ways to get him into space. I don’t think he’s going to be much of a running threat except on passing downs, he doesn’t appear to have the strength to drive through contact the way he will need to against much better defenders. Could see him being a nice pickup for a team in the 5th or 6th round but it’s also possible he goes undrafted.
 

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QB: anyone other than McCarthy
RB: Brooks-TX (Hampton but I think he’s coming back to UNC)
WR: McConkey GA (slot only)
TE: Bowers GA (#1 binkie in like 5 years) and Sanders TX
OL: Mims GA
DT Sweat TX
Edge Verse FSU
ILB: Watson MSU
DB: none
 

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My annual Clemson binky is Will Shipley. 10/10 character. He is way too small and is coming off of an ACL. One of those Edelman like players who just makes plays.
 

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Pratt is interesting because he’s kind of the opposite of most 3rd/4th tier QB’s who tend to be raw toolsy guys who flash elite ability but never really consistently put it together. He’s more like Purdy (not saying he will be the next Purdy) insofar as he is just a productive, tough, smart and fairly consistent QB with no obvious elite traits but few horrible glaring weaknesses. His arm strength is mediocre, and some mechanics issues which a good QB coach might be able to fix but the rest of his game looks solid. I think he’s a good bet to kick around the league as a solid backup or spot starter with the potential to be a mid tier starter if he’s in a good situation. He doesn’t really create enough on his own to ever have high end starting ability but I could seem him having some useful years. Kind of a Brissett or Minshew type career.
Tyson Bagent might be a good comp depending on how Pratt's arm grades out and how team's assess his aptitude and attitude.

Teammates and coaches love Bagent, but he doesn't have the arm to be an NFL starter. But he is really well drilled in his approach and mechanics. I think he'll hang around the league for a long time because coaches love having him around and he can be trusted in an emergency.

There's real value in having a cheap back up QB like that. But if the Pats are going to roll with Maye/Daniels and Zappe, then they're going to bring in a veteran to fill out the room and possibly serve as the bridge starter. But I think there's going to be a QB coach and OC who end up very happy with Pratt.

Edge Verse FSU
I love Verse's game - violent, forceful, tough, punishing. Tackles are going to hate dealing with this kid and they're going to leave games feeling like they lost a fight. He's going to set the tone for a front 7, bring a mean nasty edge to his group. I haven't focused on him much because he's not really in the Pats range, but he will be a fun guy to follow. New Orleans and Indy seem likely landing spots, but I can also imagine Antonio Pierce falling in love with Verse's game and taking the plunge.
 

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Pratt's biggest fan in the media is Pete Prisco, saw him on the CBS draft podcast yesterday (the one with former Vikings GM Rick Spielman) he thinks Pratt will be a starter in the Shannahan system and has him over Bo Nix.
 

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I’ve seen some strong arguments that Troy Franklin should be the WR 4 in this draft and is a first round talent. The rankings seem to have him as a mid second.
 

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I've seen Franklin mocked to KC at 32 more than once, seems to flip between him and Xavier Worthy in that range with AD Mitchell creeping in as well.
 
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I've seen Franklin mocked to KC at 32 more than once, seems to flip between him and Xavier Worthy in that range with AD Mitchell creeping in as well.
Absent some of these guys putting up unexpectedly good or bad numbers in their testing, I would think it’s really going to come down to team needs and scheme fit for the 4th-8th WR off the board. I don’t think there’s any consensus after the big 3.
 

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Absent some of these guys putting up unexpectedly good or bad numbers in their testing, I would think it’s really going to come down to team needs and scheme fit for the 4th-8th WR off the board. I don’t think there’s any consensus after the big 3.
I think Brian Thomas Jr. might be in a tier by himself just after the big 3 and the last of the "productive" "physical traits" "played in power conf" group.
After him I think there is a sizeable tier of WR that have 2 of the 3 traits but not all 3, either bigger/slower, smaller/faster, not as productive or big and fast but played at small school. That tier starts with the TX and OR WRs and really ends somewhere around Javon Baker/Johnny Wilson all the way on day 3. This WR class is special and I think we will look back in 2-3yrs on just how transformational this group was. Obviously most will bust but I think we will see a lot more hits than you typically see at WR.

Don't think we will see the elite top of the draft like the historic 2020 class that turned out Ceedee, Jefferson, Higgins, Aiyuk, Pittman all in the 1/2nd, what a special group that was, but that class had zero depth with only Gabe Davis in the 4th amounting to anything.

I think this class will resemble the top of 21, Chase, Waddle, Smith in the 1st, Nico 3rd, Amon 4th, combined with the depth of 23, Wicks, Nacua, Trey Palmer, Pop Douglas, all drafted 5th or later contributing. We could see 10+ WR from this class contribute significantly. Really hope NE takes multiple shots similar to what GB did last season with Reed/Wicks after selecting Watson/Doubs previous season.
 

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I have a personal stake in this but Christian Haynes (OG, UConn) is going to be awesome. He's been a 2nd team All-American two years in a row, is quick, strong as an ox, and absolutely dominated in the Senior Bowl (was named as player of the week during practice) against a ton of guys who are going to play in the NFL. I know OG isn't the Pats' biggest need, and he will almost certainly go by round 3 at the latest, and the Pats should be drafting QB, OT, and WR more than OG, but he's going to be really, really good.
 

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Tommy Eichenberg has to have the Linebackeriest name to ever Linebacker.

Every year a few kids just sound by their name alone that they were meant to play football. He's one of them.
 

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Jermaine Burton, WR, Alabama. He's a top 6-8 WR talent wise, who managed to get himself in the doghouse both at Georgia and Alabama. Would have been a perfect late round pick when the Pats had the strongest locker room in the league, but I'm not sure with a new everything he'd be a good fit now. But the talent is there.

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watch the play that starts at 3:20, nice catch, then he kicks the Tennessee DB. The good and the bad.
 

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I haven't heard too many character concerns with Burton but the kick is certainly a red flag. That said I don't think he makes it out of the 4th rd based on the mocks and general consensus I've read about him. The two potential late rd picks I'd be interested in are Javon Baker and Johnny Wilson. They might be there in the 5th/6th and have received strong reports from a lot of the people I follow. Wilson in particular can block like a TE in the run game but is much faster and flexible than most TEs. He is rather unpolished but could be a hidden gem. Baker is strong in the analytics community but you can question the level of competition. Still in the 5th/6th rd he would be a good dart throw. I'd also include Jalen Coker in the 6th, he could be a ST contributor year 1 while he learns the pro-game after coming from Holy Cross. I really hope NE invests in at least 2 WR in the draft, one in rd 2/3 and another in 4-6th and could bring in a UDFA or two as well. Outside of Pop no one else should be counted on to contribute in 2025 in the current WR room.
 

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I am big on all four of Ainias Smith, Javon Baker, Burton, and Johnny Wilson. Each guy is a fit for the WCO in a different way. Baker is also a great vertical option for a guy like Maye who throws a lot down the numbers.

My favorite guy that I would hope is in the consideration set at 34 though is Keon Coleman. I have 2 more WRs to finish and I will have WR board done. Top 26 guys. The good news is there are a shit ton more projectible starters this year vs last and all types of WRs.
 

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I am big on all four of Ainias Smith, Javon Baker, Burton, and Johnny Wilson. Each guy is a fit for the WCO in a different way. Baker is also a great vertical option for a guy like Maye who throws a lot down the numbers.

My favorite guy that I would hope is in the consideration set at 34 though is Keon Coleman. I have 2 more WRs to finish and I will have WR board done. Top 26 guys. The good news is there are a shit ton more projectible starters this year vs last and all types of WRs.
Interesting you like Coleman. I have seen Harmon talk about him a lot, and he likes him, but every one of his things on Coleman is basically... "everything in his profile screams bust, but if you make him a big slot he could be really good", he did a video on him, and it was interesting because he took a bunch of players who were similarly terrible at separating in college and basically it was a ton of scrubs, and some big slots (St. Brown, Kupp, Boyd). I do think you liked St. Brown a lot, do you see Coleman as a similar big slot?

Edit- amazingly N'keal Harry was too successful at getting open in college to make his list (35th percentile or lower in success in 2 of 3 (Man, Press, Zone)
 

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If they are going WR at 34 I think the guy I"d be very interested in is Ricky Pearsall. Same size and nearly same speed at Olave (4.41/4.39) Pearsall also had elite 3 cone and vertical. Has some of the best hands in the draft as well. He is unfairly getting the slot label but I see him more as a Diggs/Olave type that can play anywhere except as a pure X vs. press. He might be the safest WR in the 2nd rd with a very high floor and reasonably high ceiling.
 

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I am big on all four of Ainias Smith, Javon Baker, Burton, and Johnny Wilson. Each guy is a fit for the WCO in a different way. Baker is also a great vertical option for a guy like Maye who throws a lot down the numbers.

My favorite guy that I would hope is in the consideration set at 34 though is Keon Coleman. I have 2 more WRs to finish and I will have WR board done. Top 26 guys. The good news is there are a shit ton more projectible starters this year vs last and all types of WRs.
Where do you have Troy Franklin? I know he's a bit skinny or whatever, he's the WR I'm hoping is available at #34.
 

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Coleman unfortunately was plagued by bad QB play.

Coleman is also someone where landing spot matters more than most. It’s really funny to me how eerily similar Matt Waldman and I evaluate WRs. My best fit with Coleman was either the Bengals or the Rams because I want him to go to a QB with impeccable timing, ball placement, and anticipation. If he goes to a QB who can’t anticipate his windows he won’t be nearly as effective. Also yes he would be a great big slot. I love Coleman. Love. Reminds me of Tee Higgins and Keenan Allen but with better RAC. There are numbers that indicate he is faster and separates better too… also I think he’s going to be ok there… again as long as the landing spot is good.

I also love Troy Franklin. In general I love this Wr class. Everyone has warts but it wouldn’t surprise me if like 7-9 guys hit or double the average rate of success. It’s just that big of a class with that many exciting prospects.
 

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Coleman unfortunately was plagued by bad QB play.

Coleman is also someone where landing spot matters more than most. It’s really funny to me how eerily similar Matt Waldman and I evaluate WRs. My best fit with Coleman was either the Bengals or the Rams because I want him to go to a QB with impeccable timing, ball placement, and anticipation. If he goes to a QB who can’t anticipate his windows he won’t be nearly as effective. Also yes he would be a great big slot. I love Coleman. Love. Reminds me of Tee Higgins and Keenan Allen but with better RAC. There are numbers that indicate he is faster and separates better too… also I think he’s going to be ok there… again as long as the landing spot is good.

I also love Troy Franklin. In general I love this Wr class. Everyone has warts but it wouldn’t surprise me if like 7-9 guys hit or double the average rate of success. It’s just that big of a class with that many exciting prospects.
I think an actual deep cut WR that I'm curious about a film break down is Jamari Thrash. His peripherals (YPRR, 1D/RR, TPRR) are pretty ridiculous for a WR that seems to be well out of the top 10 prospects (bottom top 20?) at the position. I'm sure age is the biggest factor, but he seems like the kind of guy you take a late round flier on, especially if you haven't addressed the position earlier in the draft. Are you reviewing him as well?
 

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I think an actual deep cut WR that I'm curious about a film break down is Jamari Thrash. His peripherals (YPRR, 1D/RR, TPRR) are pretty ridiculous for a WR that seems to be well out of the top 10 prospects (bottom top 20?) at the position. I'm sure age is the biggest factor, but he seems like the kind of guy you take a late round flier on, especially if you haven't addressed the position earlier in the draft. Are you reviewing him as well?
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I don't love Thrash. I think he could develop into a WR3 starter as a vertical slot but that's his high end projection. I see him more as a WR 4-5 who is a vertical slot. His hands are so bad :(