2023 Jets: Hello Darkness Retreat, My Old Friend

[reggiecleveland]

How many NFL quarterbacks are Tom Motherfucking Brady?

Exactly
He has defied the odds over and over. Incredible people like him often keep going one time too many. As for nothing to gain, I disagree. If he won a SB for the JEts it woulf get 6 times the hype of the PAts SBs so he would almost double his legacy. If he thinks he can do it, he may do it.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

Random fact: Vinny is the winningest Jets QB over the last 30 years, slightly edging Pennington and Sanchez.

is he available?

 

[Marciano490]

Exactly
He has defied the odds over and over. Incredible people like him often keep going one time too many. As for nothing to gain, I disagree. If he won a SB for the JEts it woulf get 6 times the hype of the PAts SBs so he would almost double his legacy. If he thinks he can do it, he may do it.

Hell, if he plays 5 snaps he can show he’s better than Rodgers yet again.

 

[tims4wins]

With great power, comes great responsibility.

New title is fire.

 

[MikeM]

Thursday and still no backup plan to the inevitable Zach collapse in motion beyond Boyle. Listening to Saleh talk up his faith in Zach with such beyond just reading from the script conviction is breaking my heart every time I hear it. First coach since Rex I found myself really getting behind, and he's obviously played a big role in building this amazing defense.

Even looking past the Zach stuff I simply don't think this offense can ever truly get on the track with him having one of the final say voices in the building. Not after hiring Hackett as the offsetting OC. Just too much overall fail has piled up there to not end up being fired once this whole textbook saga example of "badly run franchise being bad" finishes playing itself out.

 

[ifmanis5]

Hard approve of the new thread title.

Would have also accepted [Curb Your Enthusiasm theme plays with slow push in and then cut to credits]

 

[radsoxfan]

I would agree, that’s the prudent move and 99.9% chance that’s what will happen.

I saw some MD speculation about a rapid 3-4 month comeback but it’s basically impossible unless he wants to take on a huge risk.

Like I said, El Attrache will definitely push the envelope (he has treated other Packers and also did the Akers surgery) and I’m sure Aaron will consult with him. Maybe he’ll even do the surgery.

But 5 months like Akers was definitely not the norm and pushing it to under 4 months would be likely a bridge too far.

Sticking with 99.9% chance he’s out for the season.

But turns out it was El Attrache who did the surgery….

Not a surprise since he does a ton of pro athletes, though quick turnaround given he is in LA.

 

[nattysez]

Per a league source, the Jets tried to sign quarterback Brett Rypien from the Rams’ practice squad.

I forgot Hackett's history with Rypien. Anyway, LA kept him.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jets-tried-to-sign-brett-rypien-from-rams-practice-squad

 

[Dogman]

Sticking with 99.9% chance he’s out for the season.

But turns out it was El Attrache who did the surgery….

Not a surprise since he does a ton of pro athletes, though quick turnaround given he is in LA.

Season ending IR. He is out for the year.

 

[glennhoffmania]

This is why I rarely read CBS analysis.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/vikings-fall-to-0-2-heres-why-kirk-cousins-could-soon-make-sense-as-a-trade-target-for-qb-needy-jets/

 

[axx]

Season ending IR. He is out for the year.

Not sure what the rule is now but IIRC when they put a player on IR they have to use the DTR designation for it to not be season ending.

 

[RorschachsMask]

View: https://twitter.com/ColleenWolfe/status/1702755756800614897?s=20

 

[joe dokes]

View: https://twitter.com/ColleenWolfe/status/1702755756800614897?s=20

I hope he forgoes PT and moves to SeaWorld:
Can dolphins heal by ultrasound? | Request PDF (researchgate.net)

 

[Kenny F'ing Powers]

I hope he forgoes PT and moves to SeaWorld:
Can dolphins heal by ultrasound? | Request PDF (researchgate.net)

Don't think SeaWorld would help. Most orcas in captivity have dorsal fins that fly half-mast.

 

[SoxinSeattle]

Amazing thread title. I just laughed out loud on the train. Thanks for that

 

[lexrageorge]

Not sure what the rule is now but IIRC when they put a player on IR they have to use the DTR designation for it to not be season ending.

Teams designate players when they activate them to the active roster or have him start practicing with the team. No longer a need to designate players when they put on IR.

 

[chilidawg]

https://www.theonion.com/resilient-aaron-rodgers-vows-to-return-more-detached-fr-1850839813?rev=1694782622253&utm_campaign=The Onion&utm_content=1694799904&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0nba8qkXVZkBzsN6iHlV9Z8X2NZVajqcDag0znN_vroWtHQ07ZIMbwgZ4

 

[EvilEmpire]

Why is it ok to troll the Jets thread?

 

[johnmd20]

Why is it ok to troll the Jets thread?

Because Jet fans aren't thin skinned trolls like Dolphin fans?

 

[chilidawg]

Why is it ok to troll the Jets thread?

Because Aaron Rodgers?

 

[doc]

Because the Jets troll themselves and we just comment on it

 

[EvilEmpire]

I'm fine if trolling, memes, and shitalking in team threads is OK. Threads can get boring sometimes.

But it would be great if there isn't a bunch of whining and reports when it happens in a Pats thread.

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

He’s not coming back this year. It’s not happening.

 

[sodenj5]

He’s not coming back this year. It’s not happening.

What are your thoughts on the “speedbrace” procedure?


Insiders on NFL+: New surgery could let Rodgers return in Jan.
https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-qb-aaron-rodgers-aims-for-potential-playoff-return-after-innovative-surgery?campaign=nfl_app_mobile_share_article

 

[axx]

Only thing I think you can read from this is that Rodgers is pretty likely not retiring.

 

[radsoxfan]

He’s not coming back this year. It’s not happening.

https://www.nfl.com/news/jets-qb-aaron-rodgers-aims-for-potential-playoff-return-after-innovative-surgery

El Attrache is great but is a fan of pushing the envelope (and likes the attention).

Don't be surprised if 4 months and a playoff return is on the table. At least as an outside shot, if rehab goes smoothly, and the Jets need a playoff QB.

 

[radsoxfan]

What are your thoughts on the “speedbrace” procedure?

The main idea is you can do earlier/more aggressive rehab and essentially have healing and rehab closer to in parallel than in series.

El Attrache has snuck people from injury date to NFL game day under 6 months (Cam Akers) this way, but 4 months is definitely a stretch. Plus Rodgers being 39 doesn't help.

Both Rodgers and El Attrache I'm sure like the publicity of trying to do something never done before.

It's still unlikely for sure, but an outside chance they give it a go if things fall just right.


Not sure if this is his exact technique, but here is a YouTube video


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qQZum0H6z4

 

[Marciano490]

What happens if it doesn’t work? Just do the surgery all over again?

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

The InternalBrace is a nice augment to a biological repair, but it’s not taking the rehab time from the fastest ever (Akers at 6 months) down by 2 months. He’s not playing this season. It’s just typical Rodgers attention-whoring, “Look at me, don’t forget about me, I might come back this year!”.

HE’S NOT COMING BACK THIS YEAR

$1,000 to the Jimmy Fund if he does

 

[E5 Yaz]

He’s not coming back this year. It’s not happening.

Do you have a degree in the healing properties of Dolphin Orgasms?

 

[radsoxfan]

HE’S NOT COMING BACK THIS YEAR

$1,000 to the Jimmy Fund if he does

Are we now stuck rooting for him to come back??

Definitely some Rodgers (and El Attrache) attention seeking involved. They aren’t dissimilar.

Remains to be seen if they want to push it that far but they would both love a great story.

 

[54thMA]

The InternalBrace is a nice augment to a biological repair, but it’s not taking the rehab time from the fastest ever (Akers at 6 months) down by 2 months. He’s not playing this season. It’s just typical Rodgers attention-whoring, “Look at me, don’t forget about me, I might come back this year!”.

HE’S NOT COMING BACK THIS YEAR

$1,000 to the Jimmy Fund if he does

Sort of ironic that for a guy who's against shots, he thinks he has one.

 

[Justthetippett]

Are we now stuck rooting for him to come back??

Definitely some Rodgers (and El Attrache) attention seeking involved. They aren’t dissimilar.

Remains to be seen if they want to push it that far but they would both love a great story.

How would Rodgers square his support for innovative mainstream orthopedic science with his COVID vax skepticism? Oh wait, it'll be illogical and impossible to listen to him try.

Wishing him good health, but also that he just goes away until 2024.

 

[radsoxfan]

How would Rodgers square his support for innovative mainstream orthopedic science with his COVID vax skepticism? Oh wait, it'll be illogical and impossible to listen to him try.

Wishing him good health, but also that he just goes away until 2024.

He’s an attention seeking douchebag… but he’s also selfishly smart enough to latch onto the best and the brightest when shit hits the fan.

If he was in the ICU with COVID, he would have given up on the charlatans real quick.

 

[sodenj5]

The InternalBrace is a nice augment to a biological repair, but it’s not taking the rehab time from the fastest ever (Akers at 6 months) down by 2 months. He’s not playing this season. It’s just typical Rodgers attention-whoring, “Look at me, don’t forget about me, I might come back this year!”.

HE’S NOT COMING BACK THIS YEAR

$1,000 to the Jimmy Fund if he does

I think the delta between what Rodgers is asked to do in terms of athleticism and movement and Akers, a RB, is fairly significant.

Yes, Rodgers is going to need to be mobile to protect himself in the pocket, but scrambling isn’t a big part of his game anymore.

I’m also extremely skeptical that he will be able to return, but if returning entails being mostly a statue in the pocket and being able to throw the ball, it doesn’t sound impossible based on the Akers timeline.

Either way, medicine has come crazy far since Marino blew out his Achilles and had to wear a boot in the game.

 

[reggiecleveland]

I'm fine if trolling, memes, and shitalking in team threads is OK. Threads can get boring sometimes.

But it would be great if there isn't a bunch of whining and reports when it happens in a Pats thread.

It's almost like it's a board dedicated to Boston teams.

 

[DaveRoberts'Shoes]

I think the delta between what Rodgers is asked to do in terms of athleticism and movement and Akers, a RB, is fairly significant.

Yes, Rodgers is going to need to be mobile to protect himself in the pocket, but scrambling isn’t a big part of his game anymore.

I’m also extremely skeptical that he will be able to return, but if returning entails being mostly a statue in the pocket and being able to throw the ball, it doesn’t sound impossible based on the Akers timeline.

Either way, medicine has come crazy far since Marino blew out his Achilles and had to wear a boot in the game.

It’s impossible. It’s easy to say he just has to stand in the pocket but that’s not reasonable in reality and if he tries to play in four months there’s a coin flip chance he blows it out running out of the tunnel

 

[sodenj5]

It’s impossible. It’s easy to say he just has to stand in the pocket but that’s not reasonable in reality and if he tries to play in four months there’s a coin flip chance he blows it out running out of the tunnel

I’ll certainly defer to you.

I would also add that if Rodgers is serious about trying to play beyond this year, and it sounds like he is, it would probably be silly to try and rush back from the Achilles, because if it goes again, that’s probably the end of the road for him.

 

[Gash Prex]

Not starting off well for their first rounder

View: https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1703482882692706369

 

[reggiecleveland]

I have trouble finding fault withhim wanting to be back this year. I am no fan of Rodgers or the Jets and their owner, but this is what you say when dealt a blow like that. A highly motivated guy will want to come back. He is dealing with a catostrpohic event, and guys like that want to flip the switch to what's next. I am sure the archives are full of similar comments when Brady wanted to play to age 40. If you are playing Colorado and actually and say anything about your team Coach Prime will say you disrespect him. If you ask Paul Pierce if he was a good as Lebron he will say he's better. An illogical belief in themselves and desire to prove others wrong is just how these guys work.

 

[luckiestman]

Not starting off well for their first rounder

View: https://twitter.com/RichCimini/status/1703482882692706369

He’s fine from what I have seen but they want to work Lawson back in today and they have too many (if that can be a thing) Edge guys. Wonder if they will make a trade.

 

[Gash Prex]

He’s fine from what I have seen but they want to work Lawson back in today and they have too many (if that can be a thing) Edge guys. Wonder if they will make a trade.

which of course begs the question why they drafted him? He may be “fine” but a healthy scratch at a position they apparently have too many guys is a poor use of a 1st rounder

 

[Shelterdog]

which of course begs the question why they drafted him? He may be “fine” but a healthy scratch at a position they apparently have too many guys is a poor use of a 1st rounder

Because they’re the Jets?

 

[Helmet Head]

Why don’t the Jets just take a flyer on a Foles or Wentz? I am not sure how you can realistically continue with Wilson at this point. He is not even close to a NFL caliber QB.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

I saw the SUnday morning rumors that Wentz / Ryan have reached out to the Jets for interest, could be a plant by their agents though.

Wilson just seems to not have any football IQ. You can absolutely see the arm a couple times a game and that got him his rookie (only?) NFL contract. The checkdown on 4th & 10 ... no NFL QB should be making that throw, ever.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

What's amazing is how little separation the NYJ receivers could get against 3rd string DBs for NE. How is Zach supposed to make throws if his receivers are blanketed and his line is overwhelmed?

 

[luckiestman]

What's amazing is how little separation the NYJ receivers could get against 3rd string DBs for NE. How is Zach supposed to make throws if his receivers are blanketed and his line is overwhelmed?

He is bad but this is also true. He missed some open guys but if you watch the protection Goff got today it may as well be another sport. It’s a total failure on one side of the ball.

 

[Cellar-Door]

The Jets line is worse than ours I think, probably the worst in the league (though TEN is in the mix).

 

[Dave Stapleton]

I don't think this team is going anywhere on offense no matter who is QB. The OC this year was supposed to be Aaron Rodgers with Hackett serving as QB Coach and pal. I don't think Hackett is capable of designing an offense that can gain yards or score points.

 

[Jimbodandy]

I saw the SUnday morning rumors that Wentz / Ryan have reached out to the Jets for interest, could be a plant by their agents though.

Wilson just seems to not have any football IQ. You can absolutely see the arm a couple times a game and that got him his rookie (only?) NFL contract. The checkdown on 4th & 10 ... no NFL QB should be making that throw, ever.

One of the worst decisions possible. He'd have a better WPA throwing a high-arc hail mary. Better to risk a 20 yard sack and scramble around. That one play alone showed me that he has no idea what's happening out there. This is not throwing 8 yards on 4th and 10 and hoping someone breaks a tackle. Embarrassing.