2023 Irrevocable Waiver Period (lol Angels)

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Doesn't seem any different than trading them for a D prospect or cash considerations.
Right, I was thinking about this and here's where I landed. How many actual impact prospects got traded during the August period? I can think of two, one I dare not bring up here.

The other, though - David Cone went from the Mets to the Blue Jays for Jeff Kent? What was up with that? How did either of them clear waivers?

EDIT: I have just learned that the John Smoltz/Doyle Alexander trade was also a waiver deal. So that's three.
 
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I think the Sox pretty much have to claim Giolito if he makes it to them. He’s very much their type and they badly need the innings. And maybe he likes it here.

Moore too if the math works.
 

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I think the Sox pretty much have to claim Giolito if he makes it to them. He’s very much their type and they badly need the innings. And maybe he likes it here.

Moore too if the math works.
It's interesting that they have to pick & choose. Like for example they can't really put claims on everyone hoping that 1 guy sneaks through because it would be pretty disastrous if they submitted claims & got enough guys that it put them over the tax.
 

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It's interesting that they have to pick & choose. Like for example they can't really put claims on everyone hoping that 1 guy sneaks through because it would be pretty disastrous if they submitted claims & got enough guys that it put them over the tax.
Yeah it’s kinda wild. If this is accurate they can probably put in claims on Giolito, Moore and Lopez and see what happens.

https://x.com/redsoxpayroll/status/1696643504389156982?s=46&t=Tl7uNH0-pxEyJtNj1BktDA

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Boston has ~$5MM under the tax the rest of the way, give or take some bonus payments.

17.7% of the season remaining, meaning they would each cost:

Giolito - $1.84MM
Moore- $1.34MM
López - $641k
Renfroe - $2.11MM
Grichuk - $1.82MM
 

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Right, I was thinking about this and here's where I landed. How many actual impact prospects got traded during the August period? I can think of two, one I dare not bring up here.

The other, though - David Cone went from the Mets to the Blue Jays for Jeff Kent? What was up with that? How did either of them clear waivers?

EDIT: I have just learned that the John Smoltz/Doyle Alexander trade was also a waiver deal. So that's three.
So was the “Punto deal”.
 

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Does he move the needle at all? Sox have a 9% chance of making the playoffs. It’s a few million bucks, and maybe it gives you some chance of resigning him if he has a good experience? Not sure they bother.
This would be the #1 reason for the Sox to sign him I'd say. This season is a best but it gives them first dibs on Giolito for 2024 then it's worthwhile.
 

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So, different motivations, LAA is trying to get under a tax threshold which would bump the compensatory pick for Ohtani from a 4th to a 2nd round pick.

NY presumably did it with Bader so he can keep getting ABs somewhere before he hits FA and now Dominguez will not be bumping a presumably popular guy.
 

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It’s 9% not 0%
Giving up in August is lame (even if the fans have given up)
Given his recent performance, it‘s reasonable to wonder whether the Sox have a better chance without Giolito than with him.
 
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This may have already been said and I missed it, but if none of the players get claimed, the Angels not only save zero money, but they may spend more money due to adding five players to the Big League roster. Plus benefits?
 

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This may have already been said and I missed it, but if none of the players get claimed, the Angels not only save zero money, but they may spend more money due to adding five players to the Big League roster. Plus benefits?
IIRC the cut players get their remaining salary cut by the league min.
 

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IIRC the cut players get their remaining salary cut by the league min.
The player gets his full remaining salary. The team saves money only if the players are subsequently signed by another team. And the salary savings would only be a pro-rated portion of the league minimum (what the new team pays), which for a month would be a little less than $150K per player.
 

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IIRC the cut players get their remaining salary cut by the league min.
I thought the league minimum thing was what teams have to pay a player who has cleared waivers, but the players get the rest of the money from the original team.

With the timing here, no one is getting picked up after clearing waivers as they won’t be eligible for the post season
then

(or what RHF said)
 

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I thought the league minimum thing was what teams have to pay a player who has cleared waivers, but the players get the rest of the money from the original team.

With the timing here, no one is getting picked up after clearing waivers as they won’t be eligible for the post season
then

(or what RHF said)
Well, they might get picked up as free agents. It would just be for the remainder of the regular season, like the Sox signing Iglesias in September 2021.
 

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I mean, if the Sox still have any designs on making the playoffs (fading rapidly, obviously) then signing Giolito makes a TON of sense. I know he's been terrible since the trade deadline, but historically he's been a pretty good pitcher, and he's only 28. There's obviously a little risk involved as he might not be any better than what they currently have out there, but he's a veteran who has had some really good seasons and it would cost them virtually nothing to add him. What's the harm?
 

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If these players don’t get claimed (they almost certainly will), they just stay on the rosters of their current teams, nothing changes. They can be DFAd then to clear a roster spot but that’s a separate process.
 

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I mean, if the Sox still have any designs on making the playoffs (fading rapidly, obviously) then signing Giolito makes a TON of sense. I know he's been terrible since the trade deadline, but historically he's been a pretty good pitcher, and he's only 28. There's obviously a little risk involved as he might not be any better than what they currently have out there, but he's a veteran who has had some really good seasons and it would cost them virtually nothing to add him. What's the harm?
And put Sale in bubble wrap with a Do Not Open Until Spring Training sign.

Not that this would help him avoid a wicked comebacker to the groin on March 1st
 

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Renfroe is playing today - are these guys still on the team technically I guess?
 

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Renfroe is playing today - are these guys still on the team technically I guess?
Yes, basically they can be claimed by anyone in reverse order of the standings, but if no one claims them, they are still on their current team. That team can still DFA them if the point is clearing a roster spot and playing time for younger players, but then the team is still on the hook for their remaining contract (a waiver claim comes with the existing contract).
 

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The Cleveland Guardians claimed right-handed starter Lucas Giolito and right-handed reliever Reynaldo Lopez on waivers from the Los Angeles Angels, sources tell ESPN.
 

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Momentarily confused: Are the tweets simply saying who put in a claim, or who has been awarded the player?
 

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Guardians just ruined most of the fun. 64-70 and a ceiling of getting swept by a Toronto or Texas in the playoffs.
 

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Momentarily confused: Are the tweets simply saying who put in a claim, or who has been awarded the player?
Awarded, claims ended at 1 PM.

As always, Bob Nightengale seems to be wildly wrong. Five players awarded so far, all to the two Ohio teams.
 

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I wonder if we start to see waiver strategizing playing into trade deadlines. A crappy team buying at the deadline might mean a waiver claim for that player later going to a competitor who has waiver priority. Maybe a little too much 4D chess but it will be something to think about here next year. "That player will be on another team in a month."
 

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Not sure the waiver format is optimal for moves like this. Essentially if a team dumps 3 high quality guys to cut $$$ a single team can really load up just be being lower on the totem pole. E.g., if you are the Twins you are probably kinda pissed.

Wonder if they'll move to some sort of resetting waiver priority (not unlike fantasy sports, honestly) sometime in the future.
 

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Guardians just ruined most of the fun. 64-70 and a ceiling of getting swept by a Toronto or Texas in the playoffs.
Go Guards go! They still play the 3 ALE teams ahead of us and also the Rangers
We need them to be better to beat those
 

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This is simply a "why not" upgrade on Syndergaard... moving on from the Gaardian era to the Guardian Angels. They still aren't winning anything without a colossal collapse from Minnesota. Only 6 of Cleveland's remaining 28 games are against teams that have a worse record than they do. Minnesota has a much easier schedule, including wrapping up the season with 9 games against the Angels, A's and Rockies.