2023-2024 Women’s College Basketball

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So they ended up being housed in East Bumfuck, Idaho because Spokane was for a long time booked up because of the men's tournament.

It does add fuel to the argument that the women's tournament should be at pre-determined sites as well.
 

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I know people can just be terrible, but why would racists pick on Utah specifically? Looking at their roster, they have very few women of color on the team (as far as I can tell), and just one assistant coach of color. I don't really get it.
 

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I know people can just be terrible, but why would racists pick on Utah specifically? Looking at their roster, they have very few women of color on the team (as far as I can tell), and just one assistant coach of color. I don't really get it.
My immediate thought is because the Utah women were there. In other words, it wasn't some pre-planned thing, but it's racists shitheads seeing people of color and being racist shitheads.
 

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So they ended up being housed in East Bumfuck, Idaho because Spokane was for a long time booked up because of the men's tournament.

It does add fuel to the argument that the women's tournament should be at pre-determined sites as well.
Wow that's insane.
 

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My new bracket starting with the sweet 16:

Albany 1
South Carolina over Indiana
Notre Dame over Oregon St
South Carolina over Notre Dame

Portland 4
Texas over Gonzaga
Stanford over NC State
Stanford over Texas

Albany 2
Iowa over Colorado
LSU over UCLA
LSU over Iowa

Portland 3
USC over Baylor
UConn over Duke
UConn over USC

Final Four
South Carolina over Stanford
LSU over UConn

National Championship
South Carolina over LSU

(Edited because I messed up)
 
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My new bracket starting with the sweet 16:

Albany 1
South Carolina over Indiana
Notre Dame over Oregon St
South Carolina over Notre Dame

Portland 4
Texas over Gonzaga
Stanford over NC State
Stanford over Texas

Albany 2
Iowa over Colorado
LSU over UCLA
LSU over Iowa

Portland 3
USC over Baylor
UConn over Duke
UConn over USC

Final Four
South Carolina over Stanford
UConn over Iowa

National Championship
South Carolina over UConn
You have LSU beating Iowa but Iowa in the final 4.
 

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I know people can just be terrible, but why would racists pick on Utah specifically? Looking at their roster, they have very few women of color on the team (as far as I can tell), and just one assistant coach of color. I don't really get it.
Idaho is an open home to militias and the fringe right - they invite them with open arms.

edit: links to back this up

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/northwest/idaho/article263463388.html

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/neo-nazi-builds-north-idaho-compound-replace-defunct-aryan-nations

https://davidneiwert.substack.com/p/idahos-traditional-republicans-realizing

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2023/02/24/idaho-christian-nationalism-marjorie-taylor-greene/

https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/08/11/hate-makes-a-comeback-in-idaho-this-time-with-political-support/

etc
 

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In other news, there was a ref in the Chattanooga/NC State game that was replaced at half-time because it was discovered by the NCAA (maybe tipped off by the NC State AD Dept.) during the first half that that ref had attended Chattanooga as a grad student and received an MA from there. How this mistake happened is weird to me. In high school, you are not allowed to ref a game of a school that you attended, your child attends, or that you worked for and you must submit all this relevant information before the season begins. I can only imagine that at the D1 collegiate level this requirement is even starker and more enforced. It's possible the scheduler messed up but how does the ref, herself, not alert her supervisor upon being assigned to the game?
I can comment on the process for football. The NCAA asks us the following each year:

Select those institutions you attended. (*Required. If none apply, enter "None")

Select those institutions you graduated from, coached or played (including honorary degree).

Select those institutions you are currently (or have) been employed by.

Select those institutions you have ongoing (or prior) business relationships with.

Select those institutions you have any personal affiliation or donated to.

Select those institutions you have any family members attending, coaching or playing (including honorary degree).

Select those institutions that employ any of your family members.

Select those institutions for which you have legal proceedings.
 

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So they ended up being housed in East Bumfuck, Idaho because Spokane was for a long time booked up because of the men's tournament.

It does add fuel to the argument that the women's tournament should be at pre-determined sites as well.
The women's tournament being on campus is one of the best things it has going. Neutral sites in the first round of the men's tournament are pretty sterile. Monday night the UCONN game finished with Gampel going crazy. Simultaneously IU had 10,000 in Assembly Hall and Iowa was about to tipoff. Popularity of women's basketball is growing and these first and second round sites on campus are incubators for fanbases.

My two cents: Outside of societal changes - women's basketball is growing because fans are dumb and stars + continuity = viewership. The men's game has very little continuity with the transfer portal and coaching changes vs. the women's game which has both stars from last year's championship game BACK and on the same teams. It's much easier for a casual fan to get invested if they don't have to do any research.

WBB administrators should absolutely be demanding equality but trying to be like the men's tournament isn't why the sport is growing.
 

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The women's tournament being on campus is one of the best things it has going. Neutral sites in the first round of the men's tournament are pretty sterile. Monday night the UCONN game finished with Gampel going crazy. Simultaneously IU had 10,000 in Assembly Hall and Iowa was about to tipoff. Popularity of women's basketball is growing and these first and second round sites on campus are incubators for fanbases.

My two cents: Outside of societal changes - women's basketball is growing because fans are dumb and stars + continuity = viewership. The men's game has very little continuity with the transfer portal and coaching changes vs. the women's game which has both stars from last year's championship game BACK and on the same teams. It's much easier for a casual fan to get invested if they don't have to do any research.

WBB administrators should absolutely be demanding equality but trying to be like the men's tournament isn't why the sport is growing.
Agree 100%. People complain that UConn gets home games in the NCAA Tournament, but I mean, when they absolutely pack out Gampel (or the XL Center, or Bridgeport), it's (a) a great atmosphere for the women's game, and (b) it makes more $$ with all those fans in the seats.

It's interesting that in the men's game they have erased the normal logo on the courts and replaced them with the "March Madness" generic logo, so you don't really know what arena you're in. But in the women's game, they leave the home court as is, so you saw the Husky logo at center court in Gampel. I much, much prefer the latter. If a regional final is being played in the Dome, I want people to see that on the court, and not just a "March Madness" logo. We all know it's March Madness.

Men (from GCU vs. St. Mary's):

80019

Women (from UConn vs. Syracuse):

80020
 

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Select those institutions you have any family members attending, coaching or playing (including honorary degree).
I'm laughing at this last part. It would really suck if your uncle was Joe Biden and you had to cross off a half dozen teams every May when he does the commencement tour.
 

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This seems like a terrible idea for both Clark and the big3. It’s just gotta be a marketing ploy. Not sure what kind of contracts rookies of Clark’s caliber get in the wnba? So it might make financial sense but other than that it’s completely ridiculous.
 

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This seems like a terrible idea for both Clark and the big3. It’s just gotta be a marketing ploy. Not sure what kind of contracts rookies of Clark’s caliber get in the wnba? So it might make financial sense but other than that it’s completely ridiculous.
I believe the max for a rookie is 208k this year. They make dirt.
 

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Is this a ONE year contract? If I were her I'd take it. She'll probably get her nose broken and some other injuries, but take the money and invest. Then she can go do her thing in the WNBA.
 

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I believe the max for a rookie is 208k this year. They make dirt.
It's one reason (not the only, but a big one) why Bueckers staying another year makes all the sense in the world. She's making far more money at UConn with NIL than she will in the WNBA.
 

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They play at the same time as the wnba, he knows this, but it's gotten people talking about the big 3 for a day and cost him nothing.
He's also taking a lot of flak from folks on social media. But that's par for the course these days.

There were some tweets about how Clark could do both, but I didn't dive into it.
 

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He's also taking a lot of flak from folks on social media. But that's par for the course these days.

There were some tweets about how Clark could do both, but I didn't dive into it.
Unless she would fly potentially cross country twice a day every Saturday while playing back to back or even back to back to back days every weekend she'd miss something like a quarter of the wnba season. That's if the wnba even allowed her to play in another league at the same time, and if she didn't get hurt playing against much bigger stronger faster players.
 

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Hidalgo picked a hell of a game to have her worst performance of the year. OR St's defense is legit and they've been under appreciated this month.
 

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Yeah, I hadn't seen ND play and was surprised when I checked her season stats after the game
 

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Stanford is getting schooled by NC State in the 2nd half. It's looks like Cameron Brink will finish her college career fouling out of her last two games and Iriafen has 4 fouls herself. Iowa would be the last #2 seed standing.
 

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Yeah, ND felled by the young, upstart (we ain't doing the portal) Beavers, Stanford falling again early, and SC got pushed by Indiana. Parity continues in the women's game. Just look at all the different national champions since Stewie was a senior at UConn. This is good.
 

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We got to talk about Hildalgo's nose ring. So, I've noticed it for weeks and wondered how she was allowed to play with it. Well, today the refs told her to take it out but not until the start of the second quarter (she missed almost 5 minutes of game action as a result which rivals the most minutes she ever sits over the course of an entire game). Why was this not dealt with during warmups when equipment issues are meant to be dealt with? Why was ND allowed to start her and play her in the first quarter? Why was ND not assessed a technical? Why suddenly did the officials care when they never have before... and the head ref has previously officiated ND games? Maybe a coincidence but this is now the second tourney game in which a glaring error that should have been obvious at the start of the game wasn't handled until at least the second quarter.
 

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We got to talk about Hildalgo's nose ring. So, I've noticed it for weeks and wondered how she was allowed to play with it. Well, today the refs told her to take it out but not until the start of the second quarter (she missed almost 5 minutes of game action as a result which rivals the most minutes she ever sits over the course of an entire game). Why was this not dealt with during warmups when equipment issues are meant to be dealt with? Why was ND allowed to start her and play her in the first quarter? Why was ND not assessed a technical? Why suddenly did the officials care when they never have before... and the head ref has previously officiated ND games? Maybe a coincidence but this is now the second tourney game in which a glaring error that should have been obvious at the start of the game wasn't handled until at least the second quarter.
It's because the officials and conferences don't care, but the NCAA really cares. I can only relate this to football since that's my area of expertise. But there are a lot of uniform and equipment rules that are routinely broken. One of which the NCAA loves to talk about is knee pads. Players must have knee pads and the pants + knee pads must cover the knees. Now take any image from any football game and you'll see players who are wildly out of compliance. Like this:



The NCAA really wants this enforced, to the point where they are making a rule change this year with harsher penalties (teams lose timeouts for violations). But here is the problem: The NCAA has no enforcement authority. All of the officials work for individual conferences, and the conferences are interested in selling their particular brand of the sport. They will explicitly tell officials NOT to enforce these rules. All game assignments come from the conferences, not the NCAA, so the officials will ignore the NCAA and do what their bosses tell them.

With one exception. The NCAA assigns NCAA tournament games. So for this one little fiefdom that they own, they get to make the rules. Guaranteed the officials were just calling the games like they have been all year, and then they got a call from NCAA brass saying "If you want to work another game in this tournament, do this". If it was the NCAA final (no more games left for the NCAA to threaten to take away) I bet the officials would have told them to pound sand.
 
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The Post’s Kim Mulkey story is out. Here’s a gift link:

https://wapo.st/4cBAM4A


It’s long, but basically just confirms that she’s a jerk who holds ridiculous grudges and has issues with gay players. If she hadn’t made such a big deal about it, it probably would have been largely ignored.
 
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The Post’s Kim Mulkey story is out. Here’s a gift link:

https://wapo.st/4cBAM4A


It’s long, but basically just confirms that she’s a jerk who holds ridiculous grudges and has issues with gay players. If she hadn’t made such a big deal about it, it probably would have been largely ignored.
Thanks for the link. Complete nothingburger IMO. One of the great coaches in sports is a bit of an asshole. News at 11.
 

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The worst thing in the Mulkey piece is that the Washington Post calls my alma mater U-Conn. It's UConn, dammit!
 

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Mulkey should be removed from courtside for being a piece of jewelry. It's distracting trying to watch this game with C3PO gleaming in the background.
 

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Thanks for the link. Complete nothingburger IMO. One of the great coaches in sports is a bit of an asshole. News at 11.
Nothing new but a nothing burger? A player on the record saying she was targeted for being gay isnt a nothingburger to me.

That's more than a bit of an asshole.
 

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Hawkeyes have tipped off. Frenzied start.

Edit: Clark with 4-3-4 halfway through the first quarter. She might have a triple double at the half.

Edit 2: rebounds have slowed but 13-7-3 halfway thru Q2

Edit 3: double double unlocked. Iowa rolling up 19.
 
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She has her emotions so much more under control today. I'd bet that her coach or someone on the staff sat her down and showed her video of her negative energy and told her to dominate the game rather than worry about the refs. Looks like it worked
 

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Monday night is gonna be straight fire Iowa vs the villains
It will be quite a game…kind of wish it was the finals, but I am also hoping we’re seeing S. Carolina in that.

Regarding the “villains” label for LSU…while the players are certainly embracing it, the LA Times took it too far in a recent opinion piece. Here’s an excerpt from the original piece:

This isn’t just a basketball game, it’s a reckoning. Picking sides goes well beyond school allegiance.

Do you prefer America’s sweethearts or its dirty debutantes? Milk and cookies or Louisiana hot sauce?

The team that wants to grow women’s basketball or the one seemingly hellbent on dividing it?

The coach who embraces reporters or the one who attacks them? The tender star player or the one who taunts?

When UCLA plays defending national champion Louisiana State on Saturday at MVP Arena in the Sweet 16 of the Albany 2 Regional, the contrasts don’t stop with blue and purple.
Criticized by many as racist and sexist, the LA Times has since edited the piece, explaining it didn’t meet their standards. Shame on them for letting it out in the first place. Here’s one article covering the reaction and ultimate revision -Article